What we are feeling politically has a name:

[Moonbeam]

Do the ideas presented in this link contribute anything to your present experience. One of the most important things in my opinion, when a nagging sense of self questioning is avoided for fear it sets us apart from others and in a disapproved direction is the awakening to the fact the feeling is shared by most people.

A rose by any other name smells the same, but we can share that fact with the fact that we know a rose by that name.

Systems are crumbling – but daily life continues. The dissonance is real

If everything feels broken but strangely normal, the Soviet-era concept of hypernormalization can help

www.theguardian.com

 

[nickqt]

The proper name for it is societal collapse. It's been ongoing. There isn't necessarily a precipitous drop, although there can be. Anyone who can observe objective reality sees the decline we've been on and will not recover from. At best we can stretch out a few plateaus with proper government, but I doubt it.

 

[Moonbeam]

The proper name for it is societal collapse. It's been ongoing. There isn't necessarily a precipitous drop, although there can be. Anyone who can observe objective reality sees the decline we've been on and will not recover from. At best we can stretch out a few plateaus with proper government, but I doubt it.

I don’t think social collapse is the right term because it implies a foreknowledge on the final destination which I don’t believe can be foreseen. I could maybe accept social decline the link describes a process in which the notion of proper governance is front and center and the decline in faith in it front and center as the cause.

So I guess I am not sure what your point is unless it is to express a sense of nihilistic rage. If so I am only expressing what seems to be your intention. I am not judging you for feeling that way if I have read you correctly.

In my view of reality I think people fear change because they think only that change will make things worse. That requires things to feel at catastrophic levels to overcome risk aversion. Most people are struggling to functionally deny what is happening in front of their eyes.

 

[nickqt]

Societal collapse is the proper term. That is what is happening. Society and societal institutions are collapsing. They are no longer functioning efficiently and soon won't function in any meaningful way.

Hypernormalization is a euphemism. Hopefully I don't need to define what a euphemism is.

Don't project your own self- hatred and nihilistic rage on me.

 

[Jaskalas]

Societal collapse is the proper term.

@Moonbeam Are you trying to Hypernormalize this very abnormal regime?
If you are not... I do find myself struggling to know why you want us to self-doubt the way we feel about it.

I set my mind against MAGA and Trump back in 2016. I have not changed my mind on this. Actually, I have continued to underestimate the danger they pose year after year.

 

[Moonbeam]

Societal collapse is the proper term. That is what is happening. Society and societal institutions are collapsing. They are no longer functioning efficiently and soon won't function in any meaningful way.

Hypernormalization is a euphemism. Hopefully I don't need to define what a euphemism is.

Don't project your own self- hatred and nihilistic rage on me.

Don't you dare suggest to me that I am projecting my own nihilistic rage on you when I clearly and positively not only told you I was trying to figure out what you were saying and clearly suggested my supposition as to your intent was merely a guess and on top of all that explained that is I had guessed right I saw nothing the matter with having that view. And as to your concept that Hypernormzalization is a euphemism for societal collapse I knew what euphemism meant before you were born, and your assertion in that regard is profoundly absurd. You either didn't read the link or lack the comprehension of a two year old to actually make such a stupid claim.

Your intention was surely to turn a conversation intended to provoke thoughtful question into some sort of pissing match set off doubtless my the name Moonbeam on the thread. You poor fucking victim. Did I tell the little entitled baby he hates himself. Go suck your thumb.

So there! How did I do? Was I able to keep up? Did I win? Did the big moron fall off the throne and lose the contest to see who could appear the more insanely triggered because I managed to be a little moron.

Hypernormalization is a process that happens internally at a feeling level regarding the loss of faith in politicians maintaining the normal rules that govern society, there those rules are being broken right and left without consequence. Societal collapse describes a society and has nothing to do with how people react witnessing it. This could have been debated logically had you offered up a reasoned explanation as to why you insisted on your version rather than losing your shit because I couldn't see it. You just had to go straight to your feelings of worthlessness because you took it as a putdown that you failed to provide logic in support of what you said. I bet you hate it when republicans feel threatened by logical reasoning. Now you have the data to know why if you could see it.

 

[ivwshane]

Moonbeam, this has been ongoing and I tried pointing it out, multiple times.

In my OP I said that this would happen slowly and it certainly seems like trump's actions continue to be normalized.

Hell, even as I type this the white house just sent a letter to Congress that says the administration has the right to ignore oversight by Congress.

I think it’s in everyone’s best interest to read that thread from the first page to the last just to see how far we’ve come and just how normalized things have become. Every time we think the bar can’t be lowered it gets lowered again.

 

[Moonbeam]

Societal collapse is the proper term.

Looks like I forgot to post this which was written hours ago

How so? It may be the proper term to describe how you are coping with the reality, how you hypernormalise your state of anxious mind but it does not suggest a manner of resisting that collapse productively. Thew term you insist is improper does and that is what interests me and why I posted the link.

@Moonbeam Are you trying to Hypernormalize this very abnormal regime?
If you are not... I do find myself struggling to know why you want us to self-doubt the way we feel about it.

If you struggle to understand why I am doing something please examine the assumption that you actually know what I am doing before you waste time trying to figure out why I am doing something which in fact I may not be doing at all. Such is the case here.

I ran into an opinion piece published in The Guardian, that suggest a word for what people are experiencing. The author further suggested that personal actions best defined in the article itself, can go some distance is alleviating the unpleasantness of the hypernormalization experience starting with being able to put a word to identify the feeling with all the benefits that go with having a language to usefully communicate what could not previously be concretized (1. make (an idea or concept) real; give specific or definite form to) for discussion.

I set my mind against MAGA and Trump back in 2016. I have not changed my mind on this. Actually, I have continued to underestimate the danger they pose year after year.

In my opinion the reason why you can't understand the danger and underestimate its extent in because you do not know how dangerous self hate is, not just to oneself, but because it is always accompanied by denial which creates internal divisions that create profoundly uncomfortable stress, stress which finds relief in blaming others often with all the violence by which we acquired self hate itself. I had the same experience. I could not believe Americans would actually re-elect Trump. But I have known the danger way way before 2016. So have you really.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam, this has been ongoing and I tried pointing it out, multiple times.


I think it’s in everyone’s best interest to read that thread from the first page to the last just to see how far we’ve come and just how normalized things have become. Every time we think the bar can’t be lowered it gets lowered again.

Ir's late and I will reread that thread at another time. I actually thought about you when I posted this one. I am aware that you have identified normalization as an issue and one that has been going on a long time. I have been dealing with this issue for a long time too, but in a different form. I believe that want most people think of as normal is very far from it. I believe we were all psychically murdered as children to save us from standing out and risking ridicule and that what we were forced to conform and confess to as our sacred religion was all the beliefs and feelings dumped on us from a psychologically deranged culture, one that produces sleepwalking Stockholm syndrome slaves, people who could only survive as children by playing the role required. This is why you will see so many hypocrites and two faced phonies.

As I hope I clearly enough above I am by the ideas presented in the article, all of the potential benefits between living our daily life in this culture as an isolated person not sure whether or not you're the only one suffering some nameless feeling as compared to knowing by having a word to name that feeling that millions are feeling it, not to mention the suggestions for joining some sort of resistance. In my opinion people are frozen with fear, and really about fear that what happened in childhood is about to happen again. The fact of that fear is another that has no name because if brought up as a potential really fundamental issue it will also be immediately dismissed. Who didn't have a wonderful childhood. I know I did.

Funny enough when I was about 18 my dentist used laughing gas instead of the numbing shots I so hated to get, and as I was pumping away self administering the gas I suddenly had a feeling that came out of my mouth as now I know why people kill themselves. It was a strange experience but it dawned on me eventually that I was the one pumping the gas so I stopped and can back into a more normal place. I was quite proud that I figured out how to save myself. I'm thinking the gas can kill you in pure form.