what to do about homicidal pilots?

[SandEagle]

When you get some evidence that showed that he crashed the plane to effect some political change that in his mind would benefit his cause then come back with your your terrorist act stupidity.

the political change will be new laws, new taxes. why are you so obtuse?

 

[Smoblikat]

Three times? Quiz time. Where does the term "kamikaze" come from?

Those werent passenger planes, and that was during a war...........not particularly comparable.

 

[mmntech]

if google can make self-driving cars, they can make self flying airplanes!

Autopilot can handle most of the routine operations of flight from takeoff to landing. The pilot's primary jobs are to program and supervise the autopilot, take over in case of an emergency, navigate, and land at airports that might not have an ILS.

To go fully automated would be pretty costly. It's not just about installing more sophisticated AI in the planes themselves. Ground systems would also have to be upgraded to administer flight plans and handle air traffic control. Which isn't a problem for most first world countries but will be an expensive endeavor for others.

Of course the other issue with automated planes is what happens if a sensor is faulty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines_Flight_1951

 

[Newell Steamer]

So, what will happen when a pilot "jokes" about crashing a plane? Will they get tackled, beaten and arrested?

$10 say no, no they won't.

 

[CZroe]

did the pilot that got locked out forget his pin # to get back in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixEHV7c3VXs

Forgetting would not cause this. Other crew members would have the code as well. He had 8 minutes since the descent started to get in.

 

[Ichinisan]

So now that the '9/11' cockpit security doors may have killed more people than they saved, what's the solution? ...

They killed almost 3,000 people? Really?

Anyway, there's more to the 9/11 security precautions than locking doors. There are procedures to go along with it. We adopted the procedure that there *must* be 2 people in the cockpit at all times. It seems Europe (or at least some of Europe) did not.

 

[Ns1]

they also say the cockpit can override that.

I guess they can start by fixing that first.

 

[moonbogg]

So, what will happen when a pilot "jokes" about crashing a plane? Will they get tackled, beaten and arrested?

$10 say no, no they won't.

If I were a pilot, I'd find something else to joke about.

 

[z1ggy]

In all seriousness- nothing should change, other than the mandate of 2 people in the control room at all times. This is now the 3rd murder suicide by a pilot in ... 17 years? How many MILLIONS of flights have happened over that time period where this wasn't an issue?

No need to implement some insane protocols over something that is extremely rare (as sad as the situation is).

 

[Ns1]

17.51 The Telegraph's Education Editor, Javier Espinosa, has the full statement from easyJet about a change in their policies thant there will be two crew members in the cockpit at all times.

easyJet can confirm that, with effect from tomorrow Friday 27 March, it will change its procedure which will mean that two crew members will be in the cockpit at all times. This decision has been taken in consultation with the Civil Aviation Authority.

"The safety and security and of its passengers and crew is the airline's highest priority."

Txt

 

[Imp]

Effed up situation.

After 2001, it seems like passengers and flight attendants routinely zerg rush trouble makers on flights. That can probably be factored into any new security policies.

 

[Pantoot]

In all seriousness- nothing should change, other than the mandate of 2 people in the control room at all times. This is now the 3rd murder suicide by a pilot in ... 17 years? How many MILLIONS of flights have happened over that time period where this wasn't an issue?

No need to implement some insane protocols over something that is extremely rare (as sad as the situation is).

Flight crew can carry firearms. If they want to crash a plane, they will. Having a second person in the cockpit is just as much security theater as sniffing my shoes.

 

[edro]

Mandatory 4 people in cockpit at all times.
No wait, 6!

 

[Ns1]

Flight crew can carry firearms. If they want to crash a plane, they will. Having a second person in the cockpit is just as much security theater as sniffing my shoes.

How would a 2 person mandatory rule be a bad thing? Seems like it would have at least helped in this situation.

 

[touchstone]

there is really zero reason the pilot has to be on the plane anyway, just make it remote controlled and you can have every pilot supervised on the ground. the military flies drones the size of large aircraft all the time, all by remote. the plane actually can pilot itself apart from landing and taking off anyway



remove the pilot from the plane. problem solved

 

[tynopik]

They killed almost 3,000 people? Really?

please show where a secure cockpit door has saved ANYONE

you can argue that the mere presence of such doors has deterred attacks, but that's purely speculative

 

[tynopik]

there is really zero reason the pilot has to be on the plane anyway, just make it remote controlled and you can have every pilot supervised on the ground. the military flies drones the size of large aircraft all the time, all by remote. the plane actually can pilot itself apart from landing and taking off anyway



remove the pilot from the plane. problem solved

what if the control network is hacked and all planes in the sky are simultaneously ordered to crash?

 

[jagec]

there is really zero reason the pilot has to be on the plane anyway, just make it remote controlled and you can have every pilot supervised on the ground. the military flies drones the size of large aircraft all the time, all by remote. the plane actually can pilot itself apart from landing and taking off anyway

If we lost contact with a remotely-flown passenger plane (inevitable) and it crashed, hundreds of civilians would die.

If the military lost contact with a drone and it crashed, dozens of civilians WOULDN'T die. Big difference.

 

[CZroe]

please show where a secure cockpit door has saved ANYONE

you can argue that the mere presence of such doors has deterred attacks, but that's purely speculative

That's just it: You can't possibly know how many potential hijackings were never even attempted thanks to the change, but you can assume that there would be copycat attacks if nothing changed. Even so, there have been multiple attempts to storm cockpits since doors were beefed up. Not sure why you think they don't happen:
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Attempted-S-F-American-Airlines-cockpit-break-in-2372003.php

Definitely NOT "speculative."

 

[Ichinisan]

there is really zero reason the pilot has to be on the plane anyway, just make it remote controlled and you can have every pilot supervised on the ground. the military flies drones the size of large aircraft all the time, all by remote. the plane actually can pilot itself apart from landing and taking off anyway



remove the pilot from the plane. problem solved

Next problem: "How do we deal with hacker terrorists hijacking the remote control system to bring down planes?"

 

[Ichinisan]

please show where a secure cockpit door has saved ANYONE

you can argue that the mere presence of such doors has deterred attacks, but that's purely speculative

I questioned the assertion that it has "killed more."

After seeing how effective the 9/11 attack was (killing almost 3,000) it's silly to think terrorists wouldn't keep doing that as long as it continued to be effective and achievable. New policies specifically discouraged that.

 

[CZroe]

Next problem: "How do we deal with hacker terrorists hijacking the remote control system to bring down planes?"

Or even simply jamming them.

 

[Ns1]

please show where a secure cockpit door has saved ANYONE

you can argue that the mere presence of such doors has deterred attacks, but that's purely speculative

That's just it: You can't possibly know how many potential hijackings were never even attempted thanks to the change, but you can assume that there would be copycat attacks if nothing changed. Even so, there have been multiple attempts to storm cockpits since doors were beefed up. Not sure why you think they don't happen:
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Attempted-S-F-American-Airlines-cockpit-break-in-2372003.php

Definitely NOT "speculative."

Nice.

 

[nk215]

Judging from the look of many female flight attendants outside of the US/Europe airlines, having a flight attendant inside the cockpit may increase lockout situations even more which may or may not result in an unhappy ending.

 

[tynopik]

I questioned the assertion that it has "killed more."

After seeing how effective the 9/11 attack was (killing almost 3,000) it's silly to think terrorists wouldn't keep doing that as long as it continued to be effective and achievable. New policies specifically discouraged that.

it's not the policies that stopped stuff, it was the attitude of the passengers and crew

previously it was all 'de-escalate, give the hijacker what they want, make sure no one gets hurt', now it's 'ZERG RUSH!!!1'

THAT more that any silly policy or armored door has prevented any successful hijackings since