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Question What to buy? Limited Budget. RTX 2060 or GTX 1070 Ti (Used/cheaper)

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Arkaign

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Oh alright awesome, will keep an eye out for it.
As a bonus, if you do get the Vega, and run across someone (a buddy, FS/FT, whoever) that is willing to buy your VG248QE for $100ish, that puts something like the D2719HGF at $75 out of pocket. Saving $100+ by getting that Vega would cover that by itself. It's $175 on Amazon. Still 1920x1080, 144hz, but a superior panel and most importantly : Freeysnc Variable Refresh. This means fluctuating framerates will be completely smooth unless the framerate completely tanks out. I wouldn't do it if you couldn't get good $$ for the old 24" But man, 27" is a sweet spot imho for a desktop gaming experience at 16:9 aspect. I upgraded from 27" 1440p to 34" ultrawide 1440p, and it's still about the same vertical size, just wider. Using 24" and under is almost a crazy feeling, and not in a good way.

It's funny, back in the day we had a lot smaller monitors on average, but the 4:3 aspect ratio actually made it more acceptable. a 20" 4:3 display is about as comfortable as a 24" 16:9. I saw a 15" 16:9 Acer monitor and it was like looking at an screen shaped like an envelope, and not much bigger lol. Ok for a laptop, but horrible sitting a couple feet away on a desk.

YMMV, good luck with the whole thing! You're in for a treat whichever way you go.
 
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As a bonus, if you do get the Vega, and run across someone (a buddy, FS/FT, whoever) that is willing to buy your VG248QE for $100ish, that puts something like the D2719HGF at $75 out of pocket. Saving $100+ by getting that Vega would cover that by itself. It's $175 on Amazon. Still 1920x1080, 144hz, but a superior panel and most importantly : Freeysnc Variable Refresh. This means fluctuating framerates will be completely smooth unless the framerate completely tanks out. I wouldn't do it if you couldn't get good $$ for the old 24" But man, 27" is a sweet spot imho for a desktop gaming experience at 16:9 aspect. I upgraded from 27" 1440p to 34" ultrawide 1440p, and it's still about the same vertical size, just wider. Using 24" and under is almost a crazy feeling, and not in a good way.

It's funny, back in the day we had a lot smaller monitors on average, but the 4:3 aspect ratio actually made it more acceptable. a 20" 4:3 display is about as comfortable as a 24" 16:9. I saw a 15" 16:9 Acer monitor and it was like looking at an screen shaped like an envelope, and not much bigger lol. Ok for a laptop, but horrible sitting a couple feet away on a desk.

YMMV, good luck with the whole thing! You're in for a treat whichever way you go.
Awesome, thank you.
 

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RTX 2060 hands down...im just surprised some people recommend a Vega64 which is slower, has almost double the power consumption, costs more, less features, no RT cores...

You might aswell get a Fury X bro, it will age like finewine bro
 

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RTX 2060 hands down...im just surprised some people recommend a Vega64 which is slower, has almost double the power consumption, costs more, less features, no RT cores...

You might aswell get a Fury X bro, it will age like finewine bro
Ehhh. Do some at least cursory research before vomiting falsehoods.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1781-geforce-rtx-2060-mega-benchmark/

The Vega 64 is faster in virtually all scenarios vs RTX 2060. Hell, the stock Vega 56 figures are often better.

And the 6GB is going to age like bruised bananas.

I'm not even a big AMD fan per se. Given a choice between an AIB 1080 11Gbps and a Vega, I'd probably choose the 1080 because it's more efficient and + or - the same performance, and both are 8GB. But the 2060 is not in the same class, it's worse than a good 1080, and it's worse than a Vega64.
 
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Ehhh. Do some at least cursory research before vomiting falsehoods.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1781-geforce-rtx-2060-mega-benchmark/

The Vega 64 is faster in virtually all scenarios vs RTX 2060. Hell, the stock Vega 56 figures are often better.

And the 6GB is going to age like bruised bananas.

I'm not even a big AMD fan per se. Given a choice between an AIB 1080 11Gbps and a Vega, I'd probably choose the 1080 because it's more efficient and + or - the same performance, and both are 8GB. But the 2060 is not in the same class, it's worse than a good 1080, and it's worse than a Vega64.
Way to swing the pendulum too far in the other direction.

2060 is worse than a 1080/Vega64 but only by a very small amount, and it is also priced significantly better, so it delivers better perf/$.
 

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Way to swing the pendulum too far in the other direction.

2060 is worse than a 1080/Vega64 but only by a very small amount, and it is also priced significantly better, so it delivers better perf/$.
This is true, but read back through, this is in context of $250 Vega56 @ Vega64 spec (common mod, card from reputed FS/FT member) vs $350+ GTX 2060. Given these choices, $250 for better performance + additional 2GB ram is a win. Of course, you are always met with balances to consider in these situations such as new vs used, warranties, etc. Fwiw, the guy with the Vega clearly has a deep understanding of properly undervolting for efficiency, which has the knock-on effect of drastically reducing power consumption and heat. It seems manufacturing variance led AMD to set the stock power too high on Vega, when almost all of them will operate better when it's cut back a bit.

Even if he had it set to bone stock Vega56 spec, at $250 it's still neck and neck with the $350+ 2060 as seen in the Techspot roundup. Most 2060 reviews fail to compile many cards or tests unfortunately, giving some incomplete outlook on the relative performance in reality. 'Close to 2070' is a somewhat misleading observation, as it speaks to how poorly the 2070 is priced, and when you compare against good 1080s instead of the OG 1080FE, the 2070 looks even more disappointing.

I would handily support a used 1080 @ $300 or less as well over the 2060, more so if it was a really good one like a Strix, Aorus, or FTW.

Absolutely insisting on new only, $350ish or less would limit things to 580 (meh), 590 (bad value), 1070 in some closeouts (mediocre, but passable), 2060 (as long as they're actually available at 350 or less, still dislike the 6GB limit and think it's too much money for a sub 8gb GPU) .. and then whatever the 16xx turns out to be. If good AIB '1660ti' comes out, perhaps with OC that gives it very close to 2060 performance for $250ish, then that would be the best 'new' value.

Agree that Vega64 at full retail ($499+) is not an ideal choice. Not that very many new full retail options ARE very good these days :(
 

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Interesting :

New 8GB Vega 64 $399 @ Newegg, comes with 3 games (can sell the codes for more than $50 easily, as they are Division 2, Resident Evil 2, and DMC5!, if the person wants to just get the best pure value).

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202326&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink2-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=12087162&PID=3821802&SID=jrc05ava9202r12k05278&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-VigLink2&cjevent=dd539ded209911e9802100c60a1c0e0c

Cheapest 2060 is a pretty flimsy looking thing at $349. Comes with one game.

So even new vs new, I can't say the 2060 makes sense vs this, unless you were running say a 500W PSU. For Vega + Intel S1150 Quad/Hex, I'd probably feel more comfortable with a quality 650W+. Even on my Coffee Lake 8086k + 1080ti, I feel nothing less than 750W is passable. According to the AT tests, the Vega64 load power consumption is extremely close to the 1080ti if you leave it at stock, and both are ~100W+ more than Vega56 and 1080FE.

Edit : Since his sig didn't list his PSU, I had to go digging, found this :

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/750-watts-enough-for-single-evga-gtx-1070-ftw.2559342/#post-39690393

So he already has a quality 750W unit, he's golden for a Vega64. AT tests with a much hungrier base (Socket 2011 8 Core 16 Thread with a load of other crap vs his 6700k Quad!) never went beyond 500W total power consumption. His more efficient rig would probably top out at roughly 400W or a shade less, so well within the sweet spot (I'm very conservative with PSU utilization for sure lol).

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11717/the-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-56-review/19
 
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Ehhh. Do some at least cursory research before vomiting falsehoods.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1781-geforce-rtx-2060-mega-benchmark/

The Vega 64 is faster in virtually all scenarios vs RTX 2060. Hell, the stock Vega 56 figures are often better.

And the 6GB is going to age like bruised bananas.

I'm not even a big AMD fan per se. Given a choice between an AIB 1080 11Gbps and a Vega, I'd probably choose the 1080 because it's more efficient and + or - the same performance, and both are 8GB. But the 2060 is not in the same class, it's worse than a good 1080, and it's worse than a Vega64.


Hahaha your funny... ''just buy a Vega56 and mod it bro, its easy bro'' Just steal Vega64 from the shop bro...
 

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That vega has the reference blower cooler which is a no go, you even helpfully linked the page showing us why, so not sure why you are recommending it?
 

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Interesting :

New 8GB Vega 64 $399 @ Newegg, comes with 3 games (can sell the codes for more than $50 easily, as they are Division 2, Resident Evil 2, and DMC5!, if the person wants to just get the best pure value).
Just chiming on this, be careful with this mindset. I've never paid more than $20 for a code and I won't start now. And because of how these things usually flood the market (often stolen), you'll be lucky if you get more than $30 per code.

A quick look through Ebay, and you can find the 3-code bundle for $80 buy it now, that's <$30 per code.

EDIT: Found a few "2 of 3 choice" bundles, snagged one for $45. :D

That's DMC5 and RE2 for my collection for $22.50 each. THANKS AMD!!!

EDIT2: I guess scratch out my "I never paid more than $20 per code, and I won't start now." I'm weak. :(
 
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Just chiming on this, be careful with this mindset. I've never paid more than $20 for a code and I won't start now. And because of how these things usually flood the market (often stolen), you'll be lucky if you get more than $30 per code.

A quick look through Ebay, and you can find the 3-code bundle for $80 buy it now, that's <$30 per code.
I meant selling the three codes as a bundle for $50 :) That makes the $400 effectively $350, which is pretty good.
 

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OH!!! Than, yeah, my fault. I was like "if you can get $50 per code, power to you!"
Eh, I was tired and could have worded it better. If I truly expected $50/code, that would price a Vega64 sans codes @ effectively $250 lol :)

It's funny, at MSRP and original $699 or whatever pricing I found Vega to be a massive disappointment. Now that so much time has passed with nearly total stagnation of price/performance, the value-priced models available actually seem pretty respectable (though this is not a widespread deal).

100 times out of 100 I would choose my old Strix 1080 or Aorus 1080ti at similar pricing. 2060, not really. If it were 2016 maybe. 2019 it seems risky spending close to 400 bux on a 6gb card when we're all expecting effectively the equal of 10+GB VRAM consoles next year. I think the 2060 may get '970'd lol. I loved my 970 until it started to not be able to keep up at reasonable settings at 2560x1440 in the uses I needed. No big regret though, as nothing at the time of 970 would have done much better for the $$.
 

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Interesting :

New 8GB Vega 64 $399 @ Newegg, comes with 3 games (can sell the codes for more than $50 easily, as they are Division 2, Resident Evil 2, and DMC5!, if the person wants to just get the best pure value).

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202326&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink2-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=12087162&PID=3821802&SID=jrc05ava9202r12k05278&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-VigLink2&cjevent=dd539ded209911e9802100c60a1c0e0c

Cheapest 2060 is a pretty flimsy looking thing at $349. Comes with one game.
I think your bias keeps coming through.

You talk about how the 2060 is behind Vega64, and how Vega 56 is "neck and neck" with the 2060. Yet in the techspot review link you provided, it looks like 2060 is closer to Vega64 than it is to Vega56.

Now you talk about the cheapest $349, 2060 looking Flimsy. Well there are several AIB 2060s for that price, some dual fan and some single fan, and NVidia Dual Fan reference edition as well. I am sure you can find a decent one there somewhere. Then you highlight the $399 vega 64, and fail to mention it has the universally derided reference cooler.
 

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I think your bias keeps coming through.

You talk about how the 2060 is behind Vega64, and how Vega 56 is "neck and neck" with the 2060. Yet in the techspot review link you provided, it looks like 2060 is closer to Vega64 than it is to Vega56.

Now you talk about the cheapest $349, 2060 looking Flimsy. Well there are several AIB 2060s for that price, some dual fan and some single fan, and NVidia Dual Fan reference edition as well. I am sure you can find a decent one there somewhere. Then you highlight the $399 vega 64, and fail to mention it has the universally derided reference cooler.
I really think you need to look at my post history, because bias isn't remotely a part of it. I have usually recommened Nvidia skus in the more recent series of gens for a variety of price/performance/efficiency ratios that make sense. Even in this OP's case, I believe that a good quality 1080 (11gbps revision if possible) would be about the single best option at $350 or less if available. In the recent news of Vega 7 @ $699 I roundly dismissed it in the face of cheaper 1080tis being out there with similar or better performance.

However, when it comes to a 6GB card at close to $400 in 2019, I can't say it sits well with me. I am not fond of the blower design from any manufacturer, and no particular fan of the Vega64 one, but 'universally derided' may be a little strong. It's merely mediocre, but functions fine if you don't OC. Undervolting the 64 is very easy and has a singnificant beneficial effect on heat, and this noise if you want to slow the fan profile. Conversely, even the AIB Vegas OC fairly poorly, so not being able to OC is no big problem.

Vega on release was a definite disappointment. Not priced competively, and I feel to this day it's inferior to 1080 on balance.

Vega at effective $349 new, well 8GB plus what appears from various reviews to often be noticably higher performance makes it what I would choose over 2060. I say this despite owning zero AMD GPUs at this time.

AMD vs Intel, Nvidia vs AMD, I could care less. The only thing that matters to me is actual value by use and by individual model. As with anything, the devil is in the details.
 

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Just chiming on this, be careful with this mindset. I've never paid more than $20 for a code and I won't start now. And because of how these things usually flood the market (often stolen), you'll be lucky if you get more than $30 per code.

A quick look through Ebay, and you can find the 3-code bundle for $80 buy it now, that's <$30 per code.

EDIT: Found a few "2 of 3 choice" bundles, snagged one for $45. :D

That's DMC5 and RE2 for my collection for $22.50 each. THANKS AMD!!!

EDIT2: I guess scratch out my "I never paid more than $20 per code, and I won't start now." I'm weak. :(
Have you tried them yet? I've been seeing people saying that for the RE game AMD is gifting it via steam link, not just a serial/cd code key.
 

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Heads up @ OP, a wild Asus 1080FE 8GB has popped up in FSFT @ $330. Another good option :)

The '1080' benches in roundups are 99% of the time FE models. AIBs are often a good bit faster, but even in the comparison of 1080FE v 2060, the 1080 is boss.
 
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Nice, the Aorus series stuff has been great IMHO. Wow, that's actually what I paid for my Aorus 1080ti :)
 

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Hey guys so I just bought the Gigabyte Aorus RTX 2060 Xtreme, should arrive in the next 4-7 days. I can't wait. Its now available on Newegg but unfortunately Newegg is now Charging TAXES to my State so it came out a little bit high but worth it in my opinion.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932116&Description=RTX 2060&cm_re=RTX_2060-_-14-932-116-_-Product
That's the model that's faster than a gtx1080, did you pick BF5 for the free game?

Comparable model review.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_RTX_2060_Gaming_Z/32.html
 
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Congrats although paying approx 430? for RTX 2060 was a good idea or not is debatable.
Thank you! :) I agree but I was on a budget couldn't push it up to an RTX 2070, very tight budget and also its going to last me a solid 2 or 3 years so I am happy with it really. Debatable? Yeah I agree. Its actually $400 but the $30 is from tax. $400 isn't too bad taxed is what killed it.

That's the model that's faster than a gtx1080, did you pick BF5 for the free game?

Comparable model review.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_RTX_2060_Gaming_Z/32.html
No I am selling the code. Don't want BF5 or Anthem really. Posted on my local Craigslist. Too bad I don't think digital codes can be posted on the FS/FT forums. Going to have to ask an admin first and see.
 

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No I am selling the code. Don't want BF5 or Anthem really. Posted on my local Craigslist. Too bad I don't think digital codes can be posted on the FS/FT forums. Going to have to ask an admin first and see.
They aren't allowed. It's not because our site owners are being mean, it's because Nvidia's (and AMD's) legal terms and conditions of getting the free game codes with a GPU purchase forbid it from being resold.
 

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