What this nation needs is to ask our kids to do LESS

[CLite]

I think if kids live lives guided by rigid structure, they don't learn how to think outside the proverbial box. Free play teaches them how to do this. Remember that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were both college dropouts, and Satoshi Taijiri became filthy rich building a videogame that recreated bug catching he did as a kid.

Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and other smart minds went through a highly regimented K-12 education. This allowed them to learn important fundamentals like grammar/mathematics/history/etc. in addition to learning proper etiquette and social behavior. This structured education coupled with their amazing intelligence allowed them to bypass college and go straight into business.

If a child is allowed to make all their own choices starting at age 8 or whatever they will probably be the smelly, relatively low IQ, and undisciplined kid as the Cracked article points out rather than a Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

Structured education is the base from which creativity and intelligence is allowed to flourish. Successful college drop-outs are an indication of success for the K-12 education in preparing the high-IQ and innovative minds to jump straight into business.

 

[MagickMan]

Kids need better communication with parents, less internet, and more beatings.

 

[ShawnD1]

Kids need better communication with parents, less internet, and more beatings.

Give your kid some retarded name like "Splenda" and he'll get his ass kicked at school every day. Problem solved.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I think kids need less "structure", but more pushing to excel and learn.

Absolutely don't sit them in front of the TV, but make them think, let them explore and learn.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

"Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things."

 

[Fritzo]

Kids need to be allowed to imagine and be creative, and learn when to break the rules........those who follow the RULES all the time will never, ever be exceptional at anything!

God this is so true. I actually raise my kids like this. My work also found this out recently. They moved me to a free thinking leadership position and I'm kicking ass now

 

[sdifox]

It seems to me the parents don't understand their kids are average. Stop fucking trying to make them smarter than they are. It doesn't work!

My wife is trying to jam up my 7 year old son's life with stuff. And I am trying to unjam them.

 

[yhelothar]

Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and other smart minds went through a highly regimented K-12 education. This allowed them to learn important fundamentals like grammar/mathematics/history/etc. in addition to learning proper etiquette and social behavior. This structured education coupled with their amazing intelligence allowed them to bypass college and go straight into business.

If a child is allowed to make all their own choices starting at age 8 or whatever they will probably be the smelly, relatively low IQ, and undisciplined kid as the Cracked article points out rather than a Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

Structured education is the base from which creativity and intelligence is allowed to flourish. Successful college drop-outs are an indication of success for the K-12 education in preparing the high-IQ and innovative minds to jump straight into business.

I'm not sure if I'd attribute their success on K-12 either. They were probably computer geeks like us that tinkered on their own time.

Thomas Edison is a good example of "the smelly kid" who dropped out of school because he couldn't focus in class. That study cited in the cracked article would've easily declared him a failure in life by their measure of success.

But that doesn't mean no school is better for everyone. Edison was supremely intrinsically motivated himself. Likely, Gates and Jobs are too. There are some people that has no self-motivation to do anything productive in this world or to work for a greater good. Those people could benefit a lot from the structures of school. I'm probably going to homeschool my kid.

 

[ShawnD1]

It seems to me the parents don't understand their kids are average. Stop fucking trying to make them smarter than they are. It doesn't work!

My wife is trying to jam up my 7 year old son's life with stuff. And I am trying to unjam them.

Remember that they explode if you put too much pressure and temperature on them. One of my friends cracked under pressure and decided he was not going to take any more school for the rest of his life. That's probably a bad thing.

 

[ShawnD1]

Thomas Edison is a good example of "the smelly kid" who dropped out of school because he couldn't focus in class. That study cited in the cracked article would've easily declared him a failure in life by their measure of success.

He would be a failure because he had no friends. Would you rather your kid have a normal life and be loved by all, or do you want your kid to be the next Mozart but be a total asshole that everybody secretly wants to murder?

 

[Malak]

College is for chumps and the average kid isn't smart enough to do anything great. The few that are smart enough don't need their parents help, they are usually smarter than their parents.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

He would be a failure because he had no friends. Would you rather your kid have a normal life and be loved by all, or do you want your kid to be the next Mozart but be a total asshole that everybody secretly wants to murder?

Mozart any day.

 

[sdifox]

Remember that they explode if you put too much pressure and temperature on them. One of my friends cracked under pressure and decided he was not going to take any more school for the rest of his life. That's probably a bad thing.

I am talking stuff like piano, soccer, mandarin, etc, etc.

 

[BoberFett]

Our public school system is designed to create automatons, perfect for toiling in mines or cubicles while making the investor class extremely wealthy.

Don't expect that to change any time soon.

 

[ShawnD1]

Mozart any day.

Wanna know how I know you're Asian?

I am talking stuff like piano, soccer, mandarin, etc, etc.

Wanna know how I know you're Asian?


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The Growing Rate of Depression, Suicide Among Asian American Students

Asian American women ages 15 to 24 lead in the highest suicide rate amongst all ethnic groups, according to the Department of Health and Human Services

I wonder if putting a ton of pressure on them has anything to do with this :hmm:

 

[yhelothar]

Wanna know how I know you're Asian?



Wanna know how I know you're Asian?


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I wonder if putting a ton of pressure on them has anything to do with this :hmm:

Asians would've never raised a Thomas Edison. They would've beat him to stay focused in school rather than to tinker with his mumbo jumbo that sets the shed on fire. They'll tell him what he wants to do is a waste of time and going to school is the only productive use of time.

 

[ShawnD1]

Asians would've never raised a Thomas Edison. They would've beat him to stay focused in school rather than to tinker with his mumbo jumbo that sets the shed on fire. They'll tell him what he wants to do is a waste of time and going to school is the only productive use of time.

Um do you realize Asia is like a decade ahead of us? Shit like the PS3 hits the market in Japan years before the US. They have intelligent toilets that clean themselves and wash your ass for you. People in Japan and Korea have 100mb/s internet like it's not a big deal. They had the Walkman and Discman before us too. Tokyo has parking garage that are like vending machines; you put your car on the platform and the machine automatically puts it somewhere. When you come back, it fetches your car for you and you drive it away without having to find it.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Asians would've never raised a Thomas Edison. They would've beat him to stay focused in school rather than to tinker with his mumbo jumbo that sets the shed on fire. They'll tell him what he wants to do is a waste of time and going to school is the only productive use of time.

And how many Thomas Edisons has the US produced? You'd have thought that in a country of 300 million another would be quite easily found if the education system is so superior.

Oh, and I forgot to mention. Look up Shunpei Yamazaki.

 

[yhelothar]

Um do you realize Asia is like a decade ahead of us? Shit like the PS3 hits the market in Japan years before the US. They have intelligent toilets that clean themselves and wash your ass for you. People in Japan and Korea have 100mb/s internet like it's not a big deal. They had the Walkman and Discman before us too. Tokyo has parking garage that are like vending machines; you put your car on the platform and the machine automatically puts it somewhere. When you come back, it fetches your car for you and you drive it away without having to find it.

Hyperbole much? But seriously, most of the stuff you mention is a result of their ridiculously dense population and not a result of their culture/upbringings.

Also Japan is a lot more progressive than the rest of asia.

 

[yhelothar]

And how many Thomas Edisons has the US produced? You'd have thought that in a country of 300 million another would be quite easily found if the education system is so superior.

Oh, and I forgot to mention. Look up Shunpei Yamazaki.

There thousands upon thousands of Thomas Edisons, just that history only remembers a few. I just used him as a blatant example that everyone knows.

I'd say that the education system works for about 30% of the population. They teach everything in a step by step fashion and have you drill it into your head through practice. Research shows that this method, known as auditory sequential learning, is preferred only by around 30% of the population. And almost all of the biggest pioneers and innovators fall into the visual spatial category as that is the conceptual learning category. When you learn conceptually, that's when you're able to break the rules.

http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Visual_Spatial_Learner/vsl.htm

And yes, I have heard of Yamazaki. When I mentioned Asian, I was referring to the stereotypical upbringing, which is what Shawn was referring to. There are obviously exceptions, especially in the much more progressive Japan.

 

[ShawnD1]

LOLOL hyperbole much? But seriously, most of the stuff you mention is a result of their ridiculously dense population and not a result of their culture/upbringings.

Nah. NYC has incredibly dense population and it's full of retards. Tokyo and Seoul are dense Asian cities where people study all day and night then kill themselves.

 

[waggy]

My philosophy on raising kids is rather easy.

kids need structure AND free time.

My daughter has Gymnastics 2 days a week from 4-6 (she is on the pre-teams been doing it little over a year) and swim lessons 1 hour a week.

I also make her read a book a few books over the summer and tell me about them (wich she will do more then i demand).

My son is in karate, gymnastics and swim lessons.

rest of the time its free play. i limit the TV and video games. rest of the time is either in the playroom, basement or outside.

I feel kids need the free time to make up games and figure out what to do. they come up with games they make up, they have built a fort (a storm knocked it down though) and have explored the town.

free time is just as important as anything.

 

[sdifox]

Asians would've never raised a Thomas Edison. They would've beat him to stay focused in school rather than to tinker with his mumbo jumbo that sets the shed on fire. They'll tell him what he wants to do is a waste of time and going to school is the only productive use of time.

Thomas Edison the patent troll? :biggrin:

 

[sdifox]

Wanna know how I know you're Asian?



Wanna know how I know you're Asian?


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I wonder if putting a ton of pressure on them has anything to do with this :hmm:

You understand tons of non Chinese people learn Mandarin right?

 

[Malak]

You understand tons of non Chinese people learn Mandarin right?

Wanna know how I know you're chinese? You speak english.