What the HELL is wrong with Canada!!!

[Remobz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHEVqa8-5xA


In that video they talk about Muslim Canadians joining ISIS and basically being a traitor to their Country in my opinion.

Look at 1:10 in the video and the reporter says that about 80 have already returned. WTF? Canada actually allowed these Muslim traitors to return. I assume they still keep their Citizenship and passports.

Canada needs to come down hard on Muslim traitors leaving their Country to fight for ISIS. They must NEVER return as well. Enough is Enough.

How do you Canadians feel about this?

 

[Thebobo]

Well he got killed so one less idiot

Plus there are 35 million Canadians a 100 should be no problem, eh?

 

[IronWing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHEVqa8-5xA


In that video they talk about Muslim Canadians joining ISIS and basically being a tritor to their Country in my opinion.

Look at 1:10 in the video and the reporter says that about 80 have already returned. WTF? Canada actually allowed these Muslim traitors to return. I assume they still keep their Citizenship and passports.

Canada needs to come down hard on Muslim traitors leaving their Country to fight for ISIS. They must NEVER return as well. Enough is Enough.

How do you Canadians feel about this?

How is fighting for ISIS in Iraq or Syria betraying Canada? It's a stupid, evil thing to do but I'm not seeing treason here.

 

[Orignal Earl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHEVqa8-5xA


In that video they talk about Muslim Canadians joining ISIS and basically being a tritor to their Country in my opinion.

Look at 1:10 in the video and the reporter says that about 80 have already returned. WTF? Canada actually allowed these Muslim traitors to return. I assume they still keep their Citizenship and passports.

Canada needs to come down hard on Muslim traitors leaving their Country to fight for ISIS. They must NEVER return as well. Enough is Enough.

How do you Canadians feel about this?

Makes a guy feel shitty I suppose
I guess the same way you feel when Americans do it

More than 100 Americans and more than 1,000 Western Europeans have gone to Syria, Orr reports. Because they have passports that do not require visas to travel back to Europe and the U.S., they represent the potential operatives who pose threats.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many-americans-have-joined-isis/

 

[iGas]

How is fighting for ISIS in Iraq or Syria betraying Canada? It's a stupid, evil thing to do but I'm not seeing treason here.

I agree it is not treason, but IMHO the law is flawed by allowing dual citizenship. Which, lead many to abuse the system. It allows terrorists, mercenaries, criminals, and "freedom fighters" to go over seas to be trained as fighters, killers, and involves in crimes, then they run back to Canada as a safe haven when things get too hot.

I feels that immigrant should have only one choice to become Canadian only, and none of these so call dual citizenship. And, anyone that break the rule will be prosecuted to the full extend of the law, and the former "immigrant" is automatically sent back to their original country of resident.

<--- my family and I chose to become Canadian citizens only, when we have the choice of keeping our Vietnamese citizenship as well (no extra cost, or paper work to have dual citizenship when we swore in as Canadian).

 

[iGas]

Canada needs to come down hard on Muslim traitors leaving their Country to fight for ISIS. They must NEVER return as well. Enough is Enough.

Why single out the Muslims?
Why don't we extend the rule to all that involve in criminal activities and going to war overseas where Canada is not involve?

 

[rommelrommel]

I agree it is not treason, but IMHO the law is flawed by allowing dual citizenship. Which, lead many to abuse the system. It allows terrorists, mercenaries, criminals, and "freedom fighters" to go over seas to be trained as fighters, killers, and involves in crimes, then they run back to Canada as a safe haven when things get too hot.

I feels that immigrant should have only one choice to become Canadian only, and none of these so call dual citizenship. And, anyone that break the rule will be prosecuted to the full extend of the law, and the former "immigrant" is automatically sent back to their original country of resident.

<--- my family and I chose to become Canadian citizens only, when we have the choice of keeping our Vietnamese citizenship as well (no extra cost, or paper work to have dual citizenship when we swore in as Canadian).

How does dual citizenship change anything? Most of these fucktards are not causing havoc in their home countries. Also... Unless you renounced your Vietnamese citizenship to Vietnamese officials you're a dual citizen.

 

[Victorian Gray]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHEVqa8-5xA


In that video they talk about Muslim Canadians joining ISIS and basically being a tritor to their Country in my opinion.

Look at 1:10 in the video and the reporter says that about 80 have already returned. WTF? Canada actually allowed these Muslim traitors to return. I assume they still keep their Citizenship and passports.

Canada needs to come down hard on Muslim traitors leaving their Country to fight for ISIS. They must NEVER return as well. Enough is Enough.

How do you Canadians feel about this?

Ask the Harper govt. why the roughly 80 suspects (many of whom happen to be Canadian born, btw) have not been arrested.

 

[sandorski]

Their Passports were taken away. I suspect that most of those 80 went out of naivete. Thinking it was some noble cause only to find out it wasn't once they arrived at their destination. I have no evidence of that, just a hunch.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Their Passports were taken away. I suspect that most of those 80 went out of naivete. Thinking it was some noble cause only to find out it wasn't once they arrived at their destination. I have no evidence of that, just a hunch.

Yeah, it was funny (in a slightly sickish way) watching the govt. pump these 80 people up as the greatest danger to Canada evah (while ignoring the questions as to why, if they were so dangerous, had they not been arrested) while the security rep testifying in Parliament kept undercutting the govt's story line by pointing out that a lot of the 80 had pretty peripheral connections and so on.

 

[Remobz]

How is fighting for ISIS in Iraq or Syria betraying Canada? It's a stupid, evil thing to do but I'm not seeing treason here.

You do realize that Canada has planes flying to the war zone. ISIS fighters will try to destroy those planes if they could. You and I both know that if ISIS captured weapons that could destroy Canadian aircraft or any Canadian civilian or soldier for that matter they would NOT hesitate to use them to kill Canadian soldiers or civilians.

Any Canadian Muslim who volunteers to fight for ISIS (enemy of Canada) is what again? Traitor to Canada in some ways? Enemy combatant at the very least.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I just seen ISIS has threatened to kill any jihadis trying to return home
Problem solved

 

[sandorski]

You do realize that Canada has planes flying to the war zone. ISIS fighters will try to destroy those planes if they could. You and I both know that if ISIS captured weapons that could destroy Canadian aircraft or any Canadian civilian or soldier for that matter they would NOT hesitate to use them to kill Canadian soldiers or civilians.

Any Canadian Muslim who volunteers to fight for ISIS (enemy of Canada) is what again? Traitor to Canada in some ways? Enemy combatant at the very least.

These people had already returned before Canada decided to send CF-18s.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You do realize that Canada has planes flying to the war zone. ISIS fighters will try to destroy those planes if they could. You and I both know that if ISIS captured weapons that could destroy Canadian aircraft or any Canadian civilian or soldier for that matter they would NOT hesitate to use them to kill Canadian soldiers or civilians.

Any Canadian Muslim who volunteers to fight for ISIS (enemy of Canada) is what again? Traitor to Canada in some ways? Enemy combatant at the very least.

Americans were the number 1 supporters of the IRA (even Republican Congress members) , did anything ever happen to them?

 

[Remobz]

Americans were the number 1 supporters of the IRA (even Republican Congress members) , did anything ever happen to them?

So nothing should happen to the Canadian Muslims who fight for ISIS against Canada now? Give them a free pass?

 

[Orignal Earl]

So nothing should happen to the Canadian Muslims who fight for ISIS against Canada now? Give them a free pass?

My opinion? No, I don't think they should get a free pass, same with the American ones, the British etc

 

[Victorian Gray]

So nothing should happen to the Canadian Muslims who fight for ISIS against Canada now? Give them a free pass?

Better talk to the Harper govt. about that as they are the ones refusing to have these people picked up and dealt with appropriately in the courts as needed.

 

[uclaLabrat]

I agree it is not treason, but IMHO the law is flawed by allowing dual citizenship. Which, lead many to abuse the system. It allows terrorists, mercenaries, criminals, and "freedom fighters" to go over seas to be trained as fighters, killers, and involves in crimes, then they run back to Canada as a safe haven when things get too hot.

I feels that immigrant should have only one choice to become Canadian only, and none of these so call dual citizenship. And, anyone that break the rule will be prosecuted to the full extend of the law, and the former "immigrant" is automatically sent back to their original country of resident.

<--- my family and I chose to become Canadian citizens only, when we have the choice of keeping our Vietnamese citizenship as well (no extra cost, or paper work to have dual citizenship when we swore in as Canadian).

Not only is it treason, it's pretty much the textbook definition of treason.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Better talk to the Harper govt. about that as they are the ones refusing to have these people picked up and dealt with appropriately in the courts as needed.

Pssst...Don't worry bro, I got you covered

 

[rommelrommel]

Better talk to the Harper govt. about that as they are the ones refusing to have these people picked up and dealt with appropriately in the courts as needed.

Oh yes, harper's fault if they aren't arrested and it would be harper's fault for violating their rights if they were picked up. Obviously there has been no crime committed, or there is a lack of evidence, or no reasonable chance of conviction.

I'm not a huge fan of harper but the endless bitching about every single thing he does is quite... American.

 

[Remobz]

Oh yes, harper's fault if they aren't arrested and it would be harper's fault for violating their rights if they were picked up. Obviously there has been no crime committed, or there is a lack of evidence, or no reasonable chance of conviction.

I'm not a huge fan of harper but the endless bitching about every single thing he does is quite... American.

Considering Canada is taking part in military operations against ISIS and from now on and into the near future any Muslim Canadian that fights for ISIS (enemy of the Government) will be considered treasonous? Enemy combatant? Other reason to revoke passports or not allow them back into Canada?

There must be something (form of punishment?) that the Canadian Government can do besides what its doing now. What do you think?

Think about it people.........a Canadian citizen volunteers to leave their Country and go miles away to fight and kill innocent people along with military personnel INCLUDING Canadian armed forces. Then if they manage to survive they can freely be allowed back into the Country. Hmmmmm.....

 

[IronWing]

Considering Canada is taking part in military operations against ISIS and from now on and into the near future any Muslim Canadian that fights for ISIS (enemy of the Government) will be considered treasonous? Enemy combatant? Other reason to revoke passports or not allow them back into Canada?

There must be something (form of punishment?) that the Canadian Government can do besides what its doing now. What do you think?

Think about it people.........a Canadian citizen volunteers to leave their Country and go miles away to fight and kill innocent people and military people INCLUDING Canadian armed forces. Then if they manage to survive they can freely be allowed back into the Country. Hmmmmm.....

Hmmm indeed. Is there a specific charge under Canadian law that applies? A charge of treason generally carries a burden of proof that is all but insurmountable.

 

[Remobz]

Hmmm indeed. Is there a specific charge under Canadian law that applies? A charge of treason generally carries a burden of proof that is all but insurmountable.

That is more or less the point of this thread. Exploring different options and what not.

Would the Muslim Canadians not be considered enemy combatants? Not sure how Canadian law handles that situation.

My personal opinion is to revoke their passport and/or citizenship. Make it perfectly clear that if a Citizen of Canada fights for a foreign Country or group that is considered to be an enemy of Canada then be prepared to suffer the consequences such as loss of passport or citizenship for example.

 

[sandorski]

That is more or less the point of this thread. Exploring different options and what not.

Would the Muslim Canadians not be considered enemy combatants? Not sure how Canadian law handles that situation.

My personal opinion is to revoke their passport and/or citizenship. Make it perfectly clear that if a Citizen of Canada fights for a foreign Country or group that is considered to be an enemy of Canada then be prepared to suffer the consequences such as loss of passport or citizenship for example.

Their Passports were revoked. The also are on a watch list.

 

[Orignal Earl]

So does the RCMP. In the most unprecedented disclosure to come from the public safety committee hearing, Commissioner Bob Paulson confirmed that the Mounties have launched 63 national-security criminal investigations targeting 90 individuals “who are related to the travelling group: both people who intend to go, or people who have returned and have been referred to us” by CSIS. “The pace and tempo of operations is fairly brisk,” Paulson said.

“When we’re talking about 80 returnees, we’re not talking about 80 people who have fought in Iraq and Syria, and we’re not necessarily talking about people who were directly involved in planning terrorist activities,” Coulombe told the committee.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/terrorism-know-where-they-are/

Only 30 have been know to join ISIS