What the hell did you think "arrival window" would mean?

Exterous

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Another retail tail from exterous? Why not:

As a quick preface, yes I do understand the annoyance of those large arrival windows like "We will be there between 8am and 2pm" and there is always the classic 'installer being late for an appointment'

That being said, sometimes people are just plain stupid

I arrived at 4:34pm for an arrival window of between 4pm and 6pm (Not the use of only 2 hours for a window). Rang the door bell twice with no answer. Knocked loudly. No answer. So I got out my work order and called the home number listed. No answer again, but I left a message to the extent of "Hi, I arrived at 4:34pm for your 4-6pm appointment. I wanted to confirm your address of xxxxxx as there was no one at that residence when I arrived. Please call xxx-xxx-xxxx to reschedule your appointment."

I bit later I was back at the store loading up stuff for my next appointment when I got to take a call from the very same lady.

Lady: "Yes, I got a message that you had tried to delivery my tv at around 4:30?"
Me: "Uh, yes, that is true. Would you like to reschedule?"
Lady: "No, I am home now so you can come out and deliver it any time tonight."
Me: "Well, unfotunately, we are booked solid tonight so we won't be able to come back out."
Lady: "But its 5:35pm! There are still 25min left before the end of my 6pm arrival window."
Me: "Unfortnately, there is no way we would be able to get back out there in time to complete the rest of our appointments, but I would be happy to reschedule you for another date."
Lady *huffy* "Well, if thats the best you can do."
Me: *eye roll* "Let's see *looks at appointment list* Well, it looks like we are pretty booked up becuase of the super bowl. The next time slot I have available is from 6pm-8pm SUnday."
Lady: "But thats during the super bowl!"
Me: "Yes, I belive that would be the case."
Lady: "But I was promised the tv before then so we could watch it on our new tv."
Me: "I understand that and we tried to deliver it with in the time frame both you and the salesperson agreed on. Unfortnately you were not home."
Lady: "This is rediculious. I was promised this before the super bowl!"
Me: "Sunday from 6-8pm is the best I can do, unless someone else does not show up for their appointment. We can call you if that happens."
Lady: "Unacceptable. I demand to speak to the person in charge of scheduling."
Me: "Sure thing. Let me give you my direct number."
Lady: "I don't want to deal with you anymore."
Me: "But you said you wanted to speak to the person in charge of scheduling and that is me."
Lady: "Well, I demand to speak to your supervisor then."
Me: "Sure thing. He can't do anything with scheduling our techs but let me go get him for you."
SO I got my manager. As soon as he heard that she had an issue with scheduling he put me back on (he doesn't have codes for that - I do)
Me: "Hello again."
Lady: "Bah, I just want my money back!"
Me: "No problem. Lets see here...*clickety clickety* It looks like $1449 will be refunded to your card."
Lady: "Uh - I paid $1549."
Me: "Thats correct. It's is the $100 missed appointment/cancellation fee that makes the difference."
Lady: "What??!!"
Me: "You missed your appointment and now want to cancell. In those situations we charge $100."
Lady: "I did not miss my appointment. I was home by 530pm!"
Me: "Yes, but we came at 4:34pm, well within the 4-6pm appointment you and the salesperson agreed on."
Lady: "I am not paying the $100. I never agreed to that."
Me: "Actually, I have a copy of the terms and conditions form you signed when you were in the store. You should refer to item 9 regarding missed appointments and cancellation fees."
Lady: "This is a horrible way to treat a customer. I never read that form"
Me: *????!!!!!* "I am sorry you did not take the time to understand the form in the store before you signed it."

It goes on from there. Suffice to say 'she will never buy form us again' blah blah blah but we got our $100.
I don't understand why people think they can not be there for an "ARRIVAL WINDOW" and expect us to bend over backwards for them. ITS ONLY 2 HOURS!!! I can't think of ANYONE else who does that!
I also can never understand why people don't read things they sign

Cliffs:
-Lady missed appointment window
-Lady is pissed we can't come back till during super bowl
-Lady is pissed she can't deal with anyone but me
-Lady wants to return everything and gets more pissed about cancellation fee
-Lady didn't read terms and conditions regarding said fee but did sign the form saying she understood the terms and conditions regarding the cancellation fee
-Lady is stupid

 

pyonir

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You should have told her you had an available window on Sunday from 11am to 9pm. :)
 

anxi80

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i do wish with all these fancy-shmancy technological advances that drivers would send an automated email or text message after they leave a drop-off point saying they are currently in transit to your home. i work about a 7-10 minute drive from home and itd make things a lot more convenient. also, if my stomach is churning but i get that message i know whether i have time to do a crossword puzzle or if its going to be a "smash and grab" job.

but yeah, i wish i could show up for the last half hour of a 2-hour appointment window and still get my item. she's crazy.
 

OutHouse

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good luck in her getting a tv delivered before the superbowl now. she might as well rent a small truck from uhaul.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: anxi80
i do wish with all these fancy-shmancy technological advances that drivers would send an automated email or text message after they leave a drop-off point saying they are currently in transit to your home. i work about a 7-10 minute drive from home and itd make things a lot more convenient. also, if my stomach is churning but i get that message i know whether i have time to do a crossword puzzle or if its going to be a "smash and grab" job.

but yeah, i wish i could show up for the last half hour of a 2-hour appointment window and still get my item. she's crazy.

sears techs do this. they did the last time we called them out to my house.
 

Captante

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Obviously its your fault she missed the delivery appointment she made ... I'd think this was obvious !!! :roll:


Having said that, theres no way I would ever have agreed to pay you $100 if the delivery got screwed up & I canceled my order.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: anxi80
i do wish with all these fancy-shmancy technological advances that drivers would send an automated email or text message after they leave a drop-off point saying they are currently in transit to your home. i work about a 7-10 minute drive from home and itd make things a lot more convenient. also, if my stomach is churning but i get that message i know whether i have time to do a crossword puzzle or if its going to be a "smash and grab" job.

but yeah, i wish i could show up for the last half hour of a 2-hour appointment window and still get my item. she's crazy.

Cell phones have been around for quite along time and work quite well for this purpose.
 

Fingolfin269

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While I feel for ya man, I'm on the other end 90% of the time. I'm the customer who is waiting on the 4 hour window. I take an afternoon off work and one of two things will happen: a) the tech/installer/etc. shows up late b) doesn't show up at all. Then again I usually work it out now to where I make sure they call me before they show up. Lesson learned. :p

 

Auric

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The diarrhea icing upon the turd cake is that she apparently is going to eat the $100 rather than complete the transaction by rescheduling. Additionally, she must spend more time dealing with another monger whether the item will be deliverable sooner or not. Summary: she hurt herself and is now hurting herself more out of some strange (although sadly commonplace) irrational spite.
 

arrfep

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I hear ya. I work in dispatch for one of the largest single-location retailers in the country. We send out over a hundred trucks everyday, X 8-15 stops for each of those trucks. You would think with those kind of numbers, a good percentage of people would understand simple concepts like "delivery window."

No. Not a chance.

We always get the "Well can he come at the late half of the window?" And they never seem to understand that their arrival time depends on the success or failure of the previous deliveries/installations. They just think our installers sit around for part of the window, then pick random time to show up, and if need be they can choose a point in the window to arrive.

Oh and I love the 2pm call saying "Oh I was wondering if I could change the color of my washing machine before it gets here."

Yes ma'am, I'll just teleport your new washer into the truck that is en route to your house.

Believe me, I can go on and on with the stories...
 

ultimatebob

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Wow... and I thought that my customers were obnoxious!

I have a question, though... why didn't you recommend having her pick up the TV at the store? It seems like a win-win situation: She gets her TV for the Super Bowl, you save the sale, and she gets to annoy someone else to set up the TV properly :)
 

ultimatebob

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Originally posted by: Auric
The diarrhea icing upon the turd cake is that she apparently is going to eat the $100 rather than complete the transaction by rescheduling. Additionally, she must spend more time dealing with another monger whether the item will be deliverable sooner or not. Summary: she hurt herself and is now hurting herself more out of some strange (although sadly commonplace) irrational spite.

Nah... she'll dispute the charge with the credit card company and make some OTHER customer service person's life miserable. You don't expect her to suddenly show some personal responsibility for her actions NOW, do you?
 

Exterous

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Originally posted by: arrfep
I hear ya. I work in dispatch for one of the largest single-location retailers in the country. We send out over a hundred trucks everyday, X 8-15 stops for each of those trucks. You would think with those kind of numbers, a good percentage of people would understand simple concepts like "delivery window."

No. Not a chance.

We always get the "Well can he come at the late half of the window?" And they never seem to understand that their arrival time depends on the success or failure of the previous deliveries/installations. They just think our installers sit around for part of the window, then pick random time to show up, and if need be they can choose a point in the window to arrive.

Oh and I love the 2pm call saying "Oh I was wondering if I could change the color of my washing machine before it gets here."

Yes ma'am, I'll just teleport your new washer into the truck that is en route to your house.

Believe me, I can go on and on with the stories...


That is the key and its nice to hear someone outside of my job who seems to understand vehicle scheduling

Originally posted by: anxi80
i do wish with all these fancy-shmancy technological advances that drivers would send an automated email or text message after they leave a drop-off point saying they are currently in transit to your home.
I think we are moving towards a system that will allow us to automatically notify customers of our impending arrival, but since there was no one home to answer her phone this would not have helped
 

kinev

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I gotta kinda side with her. It's cliche, but the saying is that "the customer is always right". At least (within reason) at places that get my business. I "get" delivery windows, but somehow it's okay for you to show up at 5:35 because it's within the magical window. So, why should she not expect the same thing? That's why the Seinfeld where Kramer's getting free cable and keeps screwing with the cable un-installer is so funny.

She should eat the $100 for signing something that she didn't read, but you seem to forget who's working for whom. I'd think she might be able to successfully dispute the charges if she can prove that the salesperson guaranteed that she'd have it by the Super Bowl. I dunno, just my opinion (formed after many we'll be there between 2-6 no-shows).
 

marvdmartian

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Well, you might take comfort in the possibility that if she and her husband bought the tv, for the sold purpose of having a bigscreen for the big game, and she cancelled the purchase/delivery of it on impulse (without him knowing), that she might get a major sized piece of her ass chewed off by her husband when he finds out! ;)

Of course, I've been on the other end of that deal too, and been promised that the person would be there no later than X time...... and then had them show up 2 hours later than that, with nothing more than a mumbled apology. Happened to me when I was leaving my last job, had movers scheduled to show up no later than 5pm, and they showed up at 7. Couldn't really reschedule, due to time constraints I had, so I had to shut up and put up with it.
 

sandorski

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You should have pointed out to her that it is "ridiculous" and not rediculous!! That would have ticked me off as much as her attitude!! :p ;) :D
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: kinev
I gotta kinda side with her. It's cliche, but the saying is that "the customer is always right". At least (within reason) at places that get my business. I "get" delivery windows, but somehow it's okay for you to show up at 5:35 because it's within the magical window. So, why should she not expect the same thing? That's why the Seinfeld where Kramer's getting free cable and keeps screwing with the cable un-installer is so funny.

She should eat the $100 for signing something that she didn't read, but you seem to forget who's working for whom. I'd think she might be able to successfully dispute the charges if she can prove that the salesperson guaranteed that she'd have it by the Super Bowl. I dunno, just my opinion (formed after many we'll be there between 2-6 no-shows).

So is the guy supposed to come at 4pm and wait for 2 hours?

He came at 4:30, called and left a message.

If the customer is always right then I should be able to walk in to the store and demand everything for a penny!
 

Jeff7

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I was told the cable-install guy would be here between 12:00pm and 4:00pm. I think it was 4:45 that he finally showed up. I took off work that afternoon so that I could be there during that gapingly-large installation window. Since he was late, I didn't have to do that. Can I charge them $100 for being late?



Truly, noone understands the meaning of installation windows. I swear I'm going to find noone :p and ask him to explain it to everyone.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Captante
Obviously its your fault she missed the delivery appointment she made ... I'd think this was obvious !!! :roll:


Having said that, theres no way I would ever have agreed to pay you $100 if the delivery got screwed up & I canceled my order.

If it was a free delivery you can't make it $100 either.