What The F@@@ Do They Want.....Exactly?

sportage

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This morning all I hear on Morning Joe and over at CNN, was how the people that voted for Trump felt "left behind" and "forgotten Americans".
So... what the F is it that they want, exactly?
And why in the hell would they think some billionaire TV game show host could or would deliver that to them?
I mean really....

I get the sense they are people that are mostly non college educated, probably dropped out of school or graduated with an GED.
They work hard for a living, or possibly have not worked for some time.
And most likely their fathers and grandfathers were unskilled non college educated factory workers, or worked on the family farm, or worked in the small family business.

Well....
The factories went south, and the farms taken over by the corporations, and the small family business were squashed by the big box stores.
So now they think some billionaire will understand their plight and can pull rabbits out of his magical hat?
They have all bought into this crap from Donald Trump, that he can bring back those father/son factory jobs that once gave dad and gramps a pretty damn good living with a decent wage.
They fail to realize that one can only get help by helping themselves.
No billionaire is going to do that for them.
If they are unskilled and unemployed, they need to get training.
Either a local area community college or train in a profession as an apprentice.
Something, anything where they can lift themselves up.

The reason so many feel so left behind, those factory jobs that dad and his dad worked all their life are forever gone.
And the reason the factories went away to Mexico was not due to democrats nor republicans in congress.
The reason the factory jobs went away was plain and simple corporate greed.
Something that Donald Trump knows all too well how that works.

And lets just say President Donald Trump could being back those factory jobs.
What would they look like?
Well, any factory job returning from Mexico back to the states is not going to be anywheres near that same factory job dad or gramps once had.
Dad and his dad worked the factory job and earned a good decent wage only because they were unionized.
The unions guaranteed and delivered a decent living wage for the worker.
If Donald Trump and republicans do indeed bring back those jobs from Mexico, the unions are not coming along with them.
Republicans are not now nor never have been union friendly.
Any factory job Donald Trump brings back to the states will be low minimum waged jobs.
And most likely paying less than the minimum wage because Trump has said he prefer there be no minimum wage, period.
And the only way Trump will bring back those factory jobs would be to promise the corporations they can indeed pay a low wage, pay any wage they want. And forget about providing any benefits.

Donald Trump will never provide a decent waged factory job to the Americans that feel so forgotten and so ignored. And still, they voted for Trump.
On the other hand if it would have been Hillary Clinton, proven and dedicated for improving the lives of the forgotten and ignored, then we would have had real hope.
By making college more affordable, and state college practically free.
That would have given opportunity for that unemployed displaced worker, allowing to learn and return back into the workplace with a skill and a future.
And it would have been a Hillary Clinton and only a Hillary Clinton that would have raised the wage thus giving those forgotten a better chance once again.
Donald Trump nor one single republican in congress will ever provide any of what Hillary would have.
Trump and his republicans offer absolutely no help for education, nor any help for wages.

And to make things even worse, Donald Trump and Paul Ryan will do something Hillary Clinton would have never done. To take away what healthcare those forgotten and displaced now have, privatizing their social security, and voucher-izing their medicare.
So what safety net those so lost and so forgotten did have would be striped away.

I don't know what it was that all of those Trump supporters think they heard Donald Trump say to them at those Trump rallies, but factory jobs without unions will get them nowhere.
And health without healthcare will do them no good.
And giving the top wealthy of America along with those gigantic corporations even more and larger tax cuts is not going to trickle down into empty wallets. Not one dime.

Yes... they F@@k-ed up.
They F@@k-ed themselves up royally by believing in some billionaire that claims to have all the answers to all their woes coming out of his magical hat.
And that hat he refuses to show them, but still insists that they believe he owns.
So the bottom line, they rejected that sure bet.
They rejected Hillary Clinton along with a democratic controlled senate, instead opting for the very thing that definitely will make their lives even harder and less survivable.
They opted for a Donald Trump and an republican controlled congress.
Both of which have never once shown any interest in those feeling displaced, forgotten, and left behind.
For republicans like Trump it has always been about wealth and corporate greed.
The banks. The market. The Donald Trump's.

So with doing what they did, electing the very thing that will destroy them, I have to ask...
WHAT THE "F" IS IT THAT THEY REALLY WANT?
AND WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING?
 
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Mursilis

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Now, now, don't be bitter he out-pandered the Democrats. Of course he's going to be unable to fulfill all those promises, but since when has that mattered to any politician?

I'm not a Trump fan, but I AM enjoying the meltdown he triggered.
 
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Kazukian

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Sportage, you really need to to outside for a while and feed ducks and pigeons or something.

Your histrionic posts didn't help elect Hillary and they're not going to make Trump go away.

You are living in an echo chamber that feeds your confirmation bias, it's not healthy.

iu
 
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dank69

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Now, now, don't be bitter he out-pandered the Democrats. Of course he's going to be unable to fulfill all those promises, but since when has that mattered to any politician?

I'm not a Trump fan, but I AM enjoying the meltdown he triggered.
Yeah but I think this might be the first time that most of the nation is hoping the President doesn't fulfill most of his promises.
 
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Jaskalas

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So... what the F is it that they want, exactly?

Stop and breathe.
Do you remember Bernie Sanders? He over performed.
The "people" want a revolution. They are hungry and starving for change.
Obama's Hope and Change was meant to sweep the country. He failed to act.
When Trump fails to bring change, you're going to need a young version of Bernie Sanders.
 

Jhhnn

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Stop and breathe.
Do you remember Bernie Sanders? He over performed.
The "people" want a revolution. They are hungry and starving for change.
Obama's Hope and Change was meant to sweep the country. He failed to act.
When Trump fails to bring change, you're going to need a young version of Bernie Sanders.

Please. Obama was stymied by Repub obstructionism & the backlash election of 2010.

"Failed to act" is in no way accurate.

It's interesting how the dogpile develops while the basic question goes unanswered.

What do Trumpsters want & how does that mesh with reality?
 

buckshot24

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Please. Obama was stymied by Repub obstructionism & the backlash election of 2010.

"Failed to act" is in no way accurate.

It's interesting how the dogpile develops while the basic question goes unanswered.

What do Trumpsters want & how does that mesh with reality?
First thing they wanted was Trump to win the presidency and they got that.
 

Kazukian

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Please. Obama was stymied by Repub obstructionism & the backlash election of 2010.

"Failed to act" is in no way accurate.

It's interesting how the dogpile develops while the basic question goes unanswered.

What do Trumpsters want & how does that mesh with reality?

Hillary living in a country with no extradition would be a start :D
 

momeNt

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Please. Obama was stymied by Repub obstructionism & the backlash election of 2010.

"Failed to act" is in no way accurate.

It's interesting how the dogpile develops while the basic question goes unanswered.

What do Trumpsters want & how does that mesh with reality?

The election is over. Time for us all to be American again.
 

Caesar

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Stop and breathe.
Do you remember Bernie Sanders? He over performed.
The "people" want a revolution. They are hungry and starving for change.
Obama's Hope and Change was meant to sweep the country. He failed to act.
When Trump fails to bring change, you're going to need a young version of Bernie Sanders.

I agree - over the last 2-3 elections cycles, we are seeing a constant and increasing shift towards people wanting "change", an "outsider" and someone who can "shake things up". Highest hopes were with Obama, but he couldn't bring a lot of changes due to congress and consistent blocking of his policies. Bernie and Trump saw the rise in popularity mostly because of that sentiment. Bernie's loss further infuriated people as their "agent of change" was unfairly defeated. On the other side, Trump was able to gain momentum and got some Bernie people to flip to his side as well. While I don't agree with their choice in Trump and think he is the wrong agent for that "change", I do think that we are headed towards the revolution where we won't continue to support the establishment and career politicians. The millennial voters are waking up and the protests are a sign of that. Any party that plans to trot out another career politician 4 years from now is destined to lose. I am a little worried for the next 4 years and hope Trump doesn't make wrong decisions in his quest to "shake things up", but I am hopeful for the future. People who were numb towards politicians are now paying more attention. While pandering worked in this election as it feasted on the frustration of people, I don't think it will continue to work when we have more "agents of change" running for offices.
 

Atreus21

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This morning all I hear on Morning Joe and over at CNN, was how the people that voted for Trump felt "left behind" and "forgotten Americans".
So... what the F is it that they want, exactly?
And why in the hell would they think some billionaire TV game show host could or would deliver that to them?
I mean really....

I get the sense they are people that are mostly non college educated, probably dropped out of school or graduated with an GED.
They work hard for a living, or possibly have not worked for some time.
And most likely their fathers and grandfathers were unskilled non college educated factory workers, or worked on the family farm, or worked in the small family business.

Well....
The factories went south, and the farms taken over by the corporations, and the small family business were squashed by the big box stores.
So now they think some billionaire will understand their plight and can pull rabbits out of his magical hat?
They have all bought into this crap from Donald Trump, that he can bring back those father/son factory jobs that once gave dad and gramps a pretty damn good living with a decent wage.
They fail to realize that one can only get help by helping themselves.
No billionaire is going to do that for them.
If they are unskilled and unemployed, they need to get training.
Either a local area community college or train in a profession as an apprentice.
Something, anything where they can lift themselves up.

The reason so many feel so left behind, those factory jobs that dad and his dad worked all their life are forever gone.
And the reason the factories went away to Mexico was not due to democrats nor republicans in congress.
The reason the factory jobs went away was plain and simple corporate greed.
Something that Donald Trump knows all too well how that works.

And lets just say President Donald Trump could being back those factory jobs.
What would they look like?
Well, any factory job returning from Mexico back to the states is not going to be anywheres near that same factory job dad or gramps once had.
Dad and his dad worked the factory job and earned a good decent wage only because they were unionized.
The unions guaranteed and delivered a decent living wage for the worker.
If Donald Trump and republicans do indeed bring back those jobs from Mexico, the unions are not coming along with them.
Republicans are not now nor never have been union friendly.
Any factory job Donald Trump brings back to the states will be low minimum waged jobs.
And most likely paying less than the minimum wage because Trump has said he prefer there be no minimum wage, period.
And the only way Trump will bring back those factory jobs would be to promise the corporations they can indeed pay a low wage, pay any wage they want. And forget about providing any benefits.

Donald Trump will never provide a decent waged factory job to the Americans that feel so forgotten and so ignored. And still, they voted for Trump.
On the other hand if it would have been Hillary Clinton, proven and dedicated for improving the lives of the forgotten and ignored, then we would have had real hope.
By making college more affordable, and state college practically free.
That would have given opportunity for that unemployed displaced worker, allowing to learn and return back into the workplace with a skill and a future.
And it would have been a Hillary Clinton and only a Hillary Clinton that would have raised the wage thus giving those forgotten a better chance once again.
Donald Trump nor one single republican in congress will ever provide any of what Hillary would have.
Trump and his republicans offer absolutely no help for education, nor any help for wages.

And to make things even worse, Donald Trump and Paul Ryan will do something Hillary Clinton would have never done. To take away what healthcare those forgotten and displaced now have, privatizing their social security, and voucher-izing their medicare.
So what safety net those so lost and so forgotten did have would be striped away.

I don't know what it was that all of those Trump supporters think they heard Donald Trump say to them at those Trump rallies, but factory jobs without unions will get them nowhere.
And health without healthcare will do them no good.
And giving the top wealthy of America along with those gigantic corporations even more and larger tax cuts is not going to trickle down into empty wallets. Not one dime.

Yes... they F@@k-ed up.
They F@@k-ed themselves up royally by believing in some billionaire that claims to have all the answers to all their woes coming out of his magical hat.
And that hat he refuses to show them, but still insists that they believe he owns.
So the bottom line, they rejected that sure bet.
They rejected Hillary Clinton along with a democratic controlled senate, instead opting for the very thing that definitely will make their lives even harder and less survivable.
They opted for a Donald Trump and an republican controlled congress.
Both of which have never once shown any interest in those feeling displaced, forgotten, and left behind.
For republicans like Trump it has always been about wealth and corporate greed.
The banks. The market. The Donald Trump's.

So with doing what they did, electing the very thing that will destroy them, I have to ask...
WHAT THE "F" IS IT THAT THEY REALLY WANT?
AND WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING?

You know, even on the questionable assumption that your questions are asked in good faith, you might've made this effort to understand the opposition before the election.
 

dank69

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The election is over. Time for us all to be American again.
Haha, where was this call for unity when Obama was elected? I guess people forgot about this tradition while they were searching for his long form birth certificate.
 

momeNt

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Haha, where was this call for unity when Obama was elected? I guess people forgot about this tradition while they were searching for his long form birth certificate.

So are you saying you are unwilling to be American yet? Or at all? Are you labeling yourself a threat?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Haha, where was this call for unity when Obama was elected? I guess people forgot about this tradition while they were searching for his long form birth certificate.


When Obama won a lot of frankly bizarre things went down. Birtherism? More like bad LSD.

That said, what should we do now in your opinion?
 

dank69

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When Obama won a lot of frankly bizarre things went down. Birtherism? More like bad LSD.

That said, what should we do now in your opinion?
I say give the voters what they want. They want full GOP control a mere 8 years after Bush and Cheney brought us to the brink of collapse? Go for it. Dems should get the fuck out of the way and let them do everything the GOP wants. Repeal the ACA. Eliminate the EPA. Repeal Dodd-Frank. Frack the shit out of the rust belt. I won't even mention all the social and foreign policy issues. I'm going to laugh and laugh when MI/WI/IN/OH/PA are all nothing but a cloud of dust in 4 years. I used to feel bad for these people. Not anymore. Too bad, so sad. Not going to shed a tear for people who would embarrass our nation by electing a clown to run things.
So are you saying you are unwilling to be American yet? Or at all? Are you labeling yourself a threat?
Just pointing and laughing at the huge hypocrisy is all. Pretty sure you weren't a very big Obama fan the last 8 years, haha.