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what the 7950GT AGP????
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I just wish companies like Gigabyte and Asus would produce these cards...although if BFG comes up with a 7950GT AGP, I'll probably upgrade the 7800GS in my A64 to one.
not on my primary rig, which is now an E4300@3GHZ and a Asrock 4coreDual VSTA....I'm not a big fan of Asrock boards but because this one has a PCI-E slot on it, it will allow me to upgrade my AGP X1950pro to a PCI-E DX10 card and then I'll off load the board to get a GA-965P-DS3 or S3 and have a pure PCI-E setup then.
But my secondary rig is now a A64@2.87Ghz with a K8NS PRO which is AGP 8x only...I currently have my 7800GS on it but the rig still has heaps of grunt left in it...as my X1950Pro showed when I was using it with the A64 before my C2D upgrade.
Ja, dreadfully OFN. The one linkied is the down-clocked core model mit lower spec RAM. Perhaps a match for the X1950Pro. Amongst the others, there is at least one which bests it fo sho. Heck, even the 7900 seem quite an OC monster.
But I see it like this: 1950 is a big arse card (9.5") with equally huge power requirements and various models have had "issues" but apart from that it prolly has higher default IQ so the performance differential may not be as much as it seems in benchmarks plus it is capable of HDR with AA.
Whereas 7950 is a relatively svelte 8.5" and may require only 3/4 the amperage and should run relatively cool and thus could be quieter -although those XFX coolers seem rather bleh (very "reference" in the worse way). I am guessing that the 1.3GHz RAM cards actually have 1.4 spec which has purposely been down-clocked. That's the case with the 7900 anyway. The ah heck is there is no EZ substitute for the stock cooler due to the HSI and even more so lack of previous "standard" mounting holes for its own seperate heat sink. So, it would seem a very DIY affair at this point.
If possible, it may be worth holding out to see what RV630 flavours appear. If we can get something at least equivalent to the 1950 with lower power requirements in a smaller form then that would be ideal. Of course, I would want 512MB RAM too.
But I see it like this: 1950 is a big arse card (9.5") with equally huge power requirements and various models have had "issues" but apart from that it prolly has higher default IQ so the performance differential may not be as much as it seems in benchmarks plus it is capable of HDR with AA.
Whereas 7950 is a relatively svelte 8.5" and may require only 3/4 the amperage and should run relatively cool and thus could be quieter -although those XFX coolers seem rather bleh (very "reference" in the worse way). I am guessing that the 1.3GHz RAM cards actually have 1.4 spec which has purposely been down-clocked. That's the case with the 7900 anyway. The ah heck is there is no EZ substitute for the stock cooler due to the HSI and even more so lack of previous "standard" mounting holes for its own seperate heat sink. So, it would seem a very DIY affair at this point.
If possible, it may be worth holding out to see what RV630 flavours appear. If we can get something at least equivalent to the 1950 with lower power requirements in a smaller form then that would be ideal. Of course, I would want 512MB RAM too.
Captante
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This card would have been great this time last year but at this point its too little & too late ... $249 for a downclocked gpu in dead-end format just isn't a good deal unless you are incapable of swapping a motherboard yourself.
evidence:
EVGA PCIe 7900GS with higher core & RAM clocks @ $154 before $15 MIR
Sapphire X1950 Pro PCIe @ $154 before $20 MIR
Either of these leaves approx $100 which will buy any number of acceptable PCIe motherboards, the 7900GS will perform a hair slower & the X1950 Pro will be a hair faster. *(this assumes USA-pricing & availability)
evidence:
EVGA PCIe 7900GS with higher core & RAM clocks @ $154 before $15 MIR
Sapphire X1950 Pro PCIe @ $154 before $20 MIR
Either of these leaves approx $100 which will buy any number of acceptable PCIe motherboards, the 7900GS will perform a hair slower & the X1950 Pro will be a hair faster. *(this assumes USA-pricing & availability)
but they won't also buy a new processor and ram.
i don't see why people insist on beating this horse... the problem is many ppl don't want to spend the extra $300 for new ram and cpu. at this point, it would be really silly to upgrade to a pci-e mainboard without going to a C2D...
while a bit spendier than their pci-e counterparts, agp gfx cards are still a sensible option and quite serviceable in many cases. there's no "right answer" for everyone, and a sensible argument can be made for either choice.
i would certainly agree this card would have been much better last year, tho.
In addition, since AGP users reading this are likely to value longevity and thus upgradeability then it is nearly as silly to jump on an end-of-life PCIe 1.x and C2D platform.
It's not about the money... that's nothing relative to time and hassle and potential unreliability -especially with dodgy el-cheapo mobo's so often recommended in order to justify the switch.
Even if money was a factor... so what if AGP cards cost a li'l more? They will retain their value much better than PCIe so you will lose less when it comes time to sell. Indeed, when it is truly known that there is a last and fastest AGP model, it will no doubt increase in value after production ends. Just look at X850XT pricing last year for a clue when everyone and their cat was erroneously claiming AGP was dead.
Those who really wanted to switch have long since done so and a year ago that was fine. Now, it would be foolhardy if not for a high-end system that you don't mind replacing shortly to keep up with the Joneses and to avoid the unbearable thought that you *horror of horrors* have an "outdated" graphics bus, regardless of actual performance. Really, a GPU is the least compelling reason for a new mobo at this point. Again, those that wanted/needed to always have a high-end GPU have already switched. Those that are thinking about going that route would have to change yet again shortly for the benefit of the GPU and/or newer CPU's.
As for the lateness of the 7900 and 7950... that may well be, but I guess it just didn't fit in with the company's plans and with little competition they instead dumped defective G70 chips on AGP users a year to six months ago in the guise of the 7800, while holding back the G73. Now, apparently, they are using up G71 inventory in a similar fashion given the chips are no longer viable on PCIe versus the new G8x series and the competition's equivalent RV6xx.
It's not about the money... that's nothing relative to time and hassle and potential unreliability -especially with dodgy el-cheapo mobo's so often recommended in order to justify the switch.
Even if money was a factor... so what if AGP cards cost a li'l more? They will retain their value much better than PCIe so you will lose less when it comes time to sell. Indeed, when it is truly known that there is a last and fastest AGP model, it will no doubt increase in value after production ends. Just look at X850XT pricing last year for a clue when everyone and their cat was erroneously claiming AGP was dead.
Those who really wanted to switch have long since done so and a year ago that was fine. Now, it would be foolhardy if not for a high-end system that you don't mind replacing shortly to keep up with the Joneses and to avoid the unbearable thought that you *horror of horrors* have an "outdated" graphics bus, regardless of actual performance. Really, a GPU is the least compelling reason for a new mobo at this point. Again, those that wanted/needed to always have a high-end GPU have already switched. Those that are thinking about going that route would have to change yet again shortly for the benefit of the GPU and/or newer CPU's.
As for the lateness of the 7900 and 7950... that may well be, but I guess it just didn't fit in with the company's plans and with little competition they instead dumped defective G70 chips on AGP users a year to six months ago in the guise of the 7800, while holding back the G73. Now, apparently, they are using up G71 inventory in a similar fashion given the chips are no longer viable on PCIe versus the new G8x series and the competition's equivalent RV6xx.
Captante
Lifer
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I see your points & won't argue beyond saying that I wish cards like this were released before I replaced & sold off my Skt 939 Nforce 3 which would have enabled me to hang onto that setup pretty much until DX-10 actually arrives in a meaningful way. (ie: games are released)
I must however add that the other facter to decide if hanging onto AGP for one more upgrade is worth it involves the platform you have now & if you have to factor in the cost of moving to DDR2 combined with either an AM2 or C2D cpu then I can understand the decision to do so. However if you have a decent skt 939 based system for which the motherboard would be the only immediately required investment I still really think it makes sense to move to PCIe instead & hold off on DDR2.
I must however add that the other facter to decide if hanging onto AGP for one more upgrade is worth it involves the platform you have now & if you have to factor in the cost of moving to DDR2 combined with either an AM2 or C2D cpu then I can understand the decision to do so. However if you have a decent skt 939 based system for which the motherboard would be the only immediately required investment I still really think it makes sense to move to PCIe instead & hold off on DDR2.
Here is the 7900GS they have listed...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150174
40 dollars less and 4 pipelines less.
SolMiester
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SolMiester
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Really?, that would delay my switch to PCIe, I'm not a high end gamer anyway. Lets hope NV follows suit because I really hate ATI drivers...ccc etc
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http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38655
AMD confirms future AGP support
Vijay Sharma talks to German mag
By Theo Valich: Monday 02 April 2007, 14:21
A WHILE AGO, we ran a story about future AMD products coming in a form of AGP cards, and now the existence of such products has been confirmed.
Nvidia has some problems making a bridge chip for G8x generation of chips, but AMD has a compatible bridge chip for the upcoming R600 generation of GPUs.
In an interview given to PC Games Hardware, Viyaj Sharma, Chimpzilla's Director of Desktop Discrete Product Marketing confirmed that R600/RV610/RV630 are compatible with bridge chips and that there is no problem to bring AGP cards to the market. We doubt that there will be a R600 AGP board coming, due to power issues (four molex connectors required), but mainstream and low-end markets will receive the much-wanted part.
The AGP market may be slowly winding down, but demand for products is still great, and there will be at least three or four different DirectX 10 parts in affordable range.
It seems that the gamer's computer of early the 2000s, a combination of Athlon XP 2500+ (@2.2-2.5 GHz) on an nForce2 motherboard (such as Abit NF7-S) will continue to run in 2007 as well. µ
L'INQ
hey, once I get a DX10 card, I'll only be using the Asrock for a very very short time and then it's GA-965P-DS3 time
, so it won't matter that much to me.I already have a buyer who is prepared to wait for my Asrock...thank god for relatives...no free upgrades for them.
SolMiester
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Originally posted by: Stumps
hey, once I get a DX10 card, I'll only be using the Asrock for a very very short time and then it's GA-965P-DS3 time
I already have a buyer who is prepared to wait for my Asrock...thank god for relatives...no free upgrades for them.
Respect....LOL
Originally posted by: SolMiester
Originally posted by: Stumps
hey, once I get a DX10 card, I'll only be using the Asrock for a very very short time and then it's GA-965P-DS3 time
I already have a buyer who is prepared to wait for my Asrock...thank god for relatives...no free upgrades for them.
Respect....LOL
Hey it's bad enougth that I have to give my immediate family free tech support...they have 3 PC's ...so I tend to do a lot of repairs for my family...but all the other relative get treated just like regular customers..there's simply too many of them and they all have multiple PC's so if I gave out free upgrades and tech support to them they would eventually want the shirt off my back.
I charge fair and reasonable prices and if they don't like they can come an buy directly from the company I work for and be overcharged for everything.
PingSpike
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Yes and no. I saw the writing on the wall with AGP, so when I moved to s939 from socket A I grabbed the asrock combo board as a way out. Swapping out a motherboard is a pretty big pain in the ass, and almost always requires a reinstall of windows. I can understand why some one looking for a quick and easy video card drop in upgrade wouldn't be to keen on the idea of instead doing major surgery on their PC as well. Especially if they didn't enjoy the tinkering process.
But your example is still a good one for when a lot of people should make the plunge. However, I bet a lot of people aren't in that spot. They might have older rigs and they're looking at a processor upgrade as well. Or maybe they're stuck with some dell box they're trying to gimp along that only has a AGP slot and limited motherboard options.
funny side note. so, based on this thread, I ran out and ordered from newegg this very card. well, theoretically this very card. they sent me a 7900gs. I even read the reply "look at the box, it's a 7900gs" and thought no...... yeah. thanks newegg.
what was I thinking huh? trying to extract a little life out of my nearly useless fx57 agp combo. clearly I should have dropped a couple grand and bought quad sli or something.
*sigh*
what was I thinking huh? trying to extract a little life out of my nearly useless fx57 agp combo. clearly I should have dropped a couple grand and bought quad sli or something.
*sigh*
no dude u should have 24 pipes instead of 20 in the 7900gs
The box might say 7900 but u gettin the right card
The box might say 7900 but u gettin the right card
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