If you're looking for a 8500le see if you can get your hands on a OEM built by ATI version of the 8500le, I brought a couple when Newegg still have them in stock and they're all clock at 250/275, they even use 3.3ns rams. Even my retail 8500 only use 3.6ns but the le uses 3.3ns. I try playing around with one of them 8500 les and I can overcock it at 275/300 with our even trying. My friend just othered a Crucial 8500 le too, hope it's not 250/166,