What should we do to the California Forest Fire arsonist

Qianglong

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I read on the yahoo news that another firefighter with 90% burns on his body just died in hospital. This pisses me off no time as I can't believe why someone would set a fire for fun?

If he wants fire just self immolate instead of burning other people's property and lives.

He should be executed as a murder!!!
 

Cuda1447

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If he caused anyones death, be it indirectly or directly - he should be tried for some sort of murder charge. Manslaughter? Involuntary Manslaughter? Something for sure.
 

Baked

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There's a 500K bounty on his ass. He's responsible for the death of FIVE firefighters. If captured, he shouldn't even have the rights to a trial. Just burn him live in a fvcking fire. People like him should be the reason why public hanging should be brought back. We are simply too lenient against assholes like him.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Was he ever actually found? It seems like arsony wouldn't be hard to cover up. I agree, the bastard should die... preferably with a candle over the period of a few years.
 

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11-1-2006Man arrested for Calif. arson fires

BEAUMONT, Calif. - Authorities arrested a man Tuesday who is suspected of intentionally starting two wildfires this summer and is considered a person of interest in a blaze started last week that killed five firefighters.

Raymond Lee Oyler, 37, of Beaumont was arrested on two counts of arson related to wildfires in June, the Riverside County Sheriff's Department said in a statement. Oyler was not named as a suspect in the wildfire that started last week and roared across more than 60 square miles.

Four U.S. Forest Service firefighters died shortly after the blaze began Thursday when flames overran them as they tried to protect homes in the area. A fifth firefighter died Tuesday evening.

Investigators interviewed Oyler on Friday and then searched his home on Monday, the sheriff's department said. No other details were released.

Firefighter Pablo Cerda, 23, of Fountain Valley died at 5:08 p.m. at Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton, after his family decided to take him off life support following extensive surgery last week to remove damaged skin.

"He was a great fighter," said Dr. Dev Gnanadev, who spoke to reporters outside the hospital. "In the end we did talk to the family and gave them an option of taking him to the operating room again for further surgeries, knowing his prognosis is very, very poor, and they decided to let Pablo go."

A group of U.S. Forest Service firefighters attended the evening news conference, with tears in their eyes.

"I felt the faith and hope for Pablo's recovery and actually felt a miracle might be possible," said Jeanne Wade Evans, the San Bernardino National Forest supervisor. "Today more sadness is added to our almost unbearable grief."

Cerda was burned over 90 percent of his body Thursday as he and the crew of Engine 57 tried to protect a home from wind-driven flames in the San Jacinto Mountains of Riverside County, 90 miles east of Los Angeles. Three other crew members died at the scene and Cerda's captain died soon after at a hospital.

The fifth death made it the greatest loss of firefighters in a single incident while battling a wildfire since 14 were killed in July 1994 near Glenwood Springs, Colo., according to the National Interagency Fire Center statistics.

Cerda was in just his second year of fighting fires for the Forest Service. He had planned to begin studying to become a paramedic.

The other victims were the engine captain, Mark Loutzenhiser, 43, of Idyllwild; Jason McKay, 27, of Apple Valley; Jess McLean, 27, of Beaumont; and Daniel Hoover-Najera, 20, of San Jacinto.

"All of us from the forest and all those from the fire service deeply mourn the loss of these brave men. In my mind there's no greater calling than to help those in need," Evans said.

As part of the investigation, authorities said they sifted through hundreds of tips and interviewed previously convicted arsonists who live in the Cabazon area. Assisting in the investigation were the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The reward for information leading to an arrest topped $500,000.

The blaze started early Thursday and scorched 40,200 acres, or more than 60 square miles, of forest and brush before being fully contained Monday. It destroyed 34 homes and 20 outbuildings. A portion of Highway 243 in the fire area remained under indefinite closure for repair of the two-lane road.

Firefighting costs reached $9.9 million, the California Department of Forestry said.

Authorities said the fire was deliberately set at the base of a slope in Cabazon, west of Palm Springs, as fierce Santa Ana winds hit Southern California. Residents said they saw two young men leaving the area where the fire began.

At the crime scene, investigators had planted blue, red and yellow flags attached to wire stakes in the ground to mark the location of possible evidence. Part of the hillside was marked by a grid made of pegs and string.

A public memorial service for the dead firefighters was scheduled for 1 p.m. Sunday at the Hyundai Pavilion in Devore. Individual firefighter funerals will be private, officials said.
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Prayers to all 5 of the Firefighters family, friends and fellow firefighters

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zoiks

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Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Was he ever actually found? It seems like arsony wouldn't be hard to cover up. I agree, the bastard should die... preferably with a candle over the period of a few years.

Damn man. He'd become like a...Hamburger boy wouldn't he?
 

Qianglong

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That Lee dick, is another scumbag but according to the article, he is not the culprit for the fire that killed 5 firefighters!
 

Qianglong

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Originally posted by: Aimster
tattoo an american flag on his forehead and drop him off in the middle of iraq

He should be burned alive in a furnace like that dude in SAW II movie.
 

SolMiester

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I very dispair nowadays over peoples total lack of respect for anything that is not their own, vandalising cars,houses/fences with tags, burning forests etc.

Where is society failing?. Is it people having children too young with no parenting skills so that their offspring run wild, too much bad TV, video games, lack of corporal punishment or boundries?

This world is on a downward spiral to distruction & the the empathy of the majority to just turn an eye and get on with their own lives will not help.

We need more deterrents or stiffer penalties that must be adhered to. This softly softly, society has let them down excuse isnt working.

Enough of the weak attempts to rehablitate them, its too late once the damage is done, bring back hard labour, boot camp, shoot them all!!!!....lol

I dont understand this need to destroy...Whats with that?
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Baked
There's a 500K bounty on his ass. He's responsible for the death of FIVE firefighters. If captured, he shouldn't even have the rights to a trial. Just burn him live in a fvcking fire. People like him should be the reason why public hanging should be brought back. We are simply too lenient against assholes like him.

EVERY US citizen has the right to a fair trial.

If the guilty party is found guilty in a court of law, I would fully support the death penalty (by immolation), but due process MUST be followed, or we can just kiss the Bill of Rights goodbye.
 

foghorn67

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But I do like how some other countries solve their problem. "On the way to the courthouse, the defendent accidently fell down the stairs."
 

HamburgerBoy

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Originally posted by: SolMiester
Where is society failing?. Is it people having children too young with no parenting skills so that their offspring run wild, too much bad TV, video games, lack of corporal punishment or boundries?

It's defenitely those last two. Many good kids watch TV and play video games. It's the soccer moms whose children are perfect little angels that are causing kids to turn into bastards. IMO a lot of problems could be stopped if the PTA system just didn't exist any more.
 

KingGheedora

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Originally posted by: Baked
There's a 500K bounty on his ass. He's responsible for the death of FIVE firefighters. If captured, he shouldn't even have the rights to a trial. Just burn him live in a fvcking fire. People like him should be the reason why public hanging should be brought back. We are simply too lenient against assholes like him.

Why shouldn't anyone have rights to a trial?
 

Qianglong

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Originally posted by: foghorn67
But I do like how some other countries solve their problem. "On the way to the courthouse, the defendent accidently fell down the stairs."

Or while transporting him, one can say OOOOP the truck caughtfire because the laptop battery exploded and ignited the gas tank!
 

Baked

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Sorry, but when you choose be a scum POS, you don't deserve any rights to trail. But that's just me opinion. Giving POS like him a trail is the reason why we waste so much tax dollars that could've been put to better use. I say put a bullet in his face at the moment he's arrested and save everybody the trouble.
 

SophalotJack

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Originally posted by: Baked
Sorry, but when you choose be a scum POS, you don't deserve any rights to trail. But that's just me opinion. Giving POS like him a trail is the reason why we waste so much tax dollars that could've been put to better use. I say put a bullet in his face at the moment he's arrested and save everybody the trouble.

I agree with everything you say except that you need to make sure beyond a reasonable doubt that it was him before giving him some of his own medicine.

I would hate to be arrested and shot for having a smoke while camping near the areas he was suspected of starting fires.

But yeah.... at least cutting his arms off and dropping him in a hole with just salt water to feed on would be minimal punishment.

 

jpeyton

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Does the OP really not have any idea what's going to happen?

Let me clue you in: murder and/or manslaughter charges, a trial, a verdict, a sentence.
 
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Does the OP really not have any idea what's going to happen?

Let me clue you in: murder and/or manslaughter charges, a trial, a verdict, a sentence.

And with multiple deaths of first responders involved it will be a death sentence... meaning he'll probably die of old age awaiting execution. It is California after all... "Save the whales, trees and misguided killers!"
 

SolMiester

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I never did understand the bit in law, where , a criminal can hide behind the same laws they choose to ignore when carrying out their crime! How does that work?, for who's benefit is that?, certainly not the victims or societies.

The silly thing about law is its attempt to give justice, when any able minded person is able to tell right from wrong, just from unjust!