What should I change in this config? 4K rendering...

[Perene]

I am going to change everything, however I have no idea what to buy


https://imgur.com/a/Oompf

In this config Vegas Pro 15 (Windows 10, 64 bit) says it's going to take 8 hours to reencode a 4k video from the iPAD Pro 10.5, with 1 hour. So in other words it takes 8 minutes for each 4K minute.

I want to reduce the time needed to render these projects much as possible. Besides what I said I also use a 120 GB SSD EVO from Samsung. I was going to buy a 1 TB SSD drive, and another video card (mine is AMD Radeon R9 270).

No idea which CPU, motherboard and RAM I should choose. Are there any benchmarks showing how much time I can save by replacing this actual config?

 

[whm1974]

Get Threadripper....

 

[daveybrat]

Here's the system requirements for Vegas Pro 15:

System Requirements

• Operating system: Microsoft® Windows 7 (64-bit), Windows 8 (64-bit) or Windows 10 (64-bit)
• Processor: 2 GHz (multicore or multiprocessor recommended for HD or stereoscopic 3D; 8 cores recommended for 4K)
• RAM: 4 GB RAM (8 GB recommended; 16 GB recommended for 4K)
• Hard drive space: 1.5 GB hard-disk space for program installation; Solid-state disk (SSD) or high-speed multi-disk RAID for 4K media
• Graphics card: Supported NVIDIA®, AMD/ATI® or Intel® GPU with at least 512 MB of memory (1 GB recommended for 4K and GPU-accelerated video processing)
• Internet connection: Required for registration

So it looks like the best upgrade for you would be to an Intel 8700/K Processor or an AMD Ryzen 8-Core Processor.

Also it does like a good GPU so definitely upgrade that.

SSD's do also slow down once they get too full and a 120GB drive you use now should definitely be at least a 500GB to give it some more speed and breathing room.

 

[Perene]

I need to have an idea how much time I'll gain with a new CPU and video card.

I mean, how much time will I save when rendering.

First machine takes 8 minutes to reencode every 1 minute, so 1 hour takes 8 in Vegas Pro 15. Video recorded in 4K, in the iPAD Pro 10.5. It has 20.4 GB.

This is my current config:

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- Windows 10, 64-bit
- CPU Core i7 4770
- Motherboard: Gigabyte H97M-D3H
- 16 GB RAM (2x8). One of them is a Corsair DDR-3 1600 Mhz Vengeance.
- Video card: R7 265 (AMD)
- SSD Samsung 840 EVO, 120 GB.
- 3 Hard Drives: Western Digital - 1 TB WD10EZEX, and 4 TB WD40PURX. Third one: 1 TB Samsung (old)
* Cooler: Hyper 212X
* COOLER MASTER
* Blu-ray drive: GGW-H20L.
* PSU: Seasonic ATX 520W (S12II-520 Bronze)
- Monitor: W2452V, LCD '24'
* Case: PC Yes Rhino, black
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What would you suggest? Consider what I am going to say next:

- I need a video card suited for Ultra-HD Blu-ray. Same can be said about the monitor. Another uses: play last games and rendering in 4K.
- I need a blu-ray drive that can play Ultra-HD Blu-ray discs.

Here's a suggested config:

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CPU: according to
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-TR-1950X-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4770/3932vs1978

And:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4770/3937vs1978

We have a gain of 40% in effective speed when comparing the AMD TR 1950X with the Core i7 4770

And the same from the Intel 8700K.

However....

a) New CPUs appear to waste a lot more energy. I don't know if this is only when rendering or in idle, for example. Compare the TDP from my actual CPU.

b) AMD CPUs have more cores/threads, yet only when you start with the 1900s you get the same effective speed gains of 40%. This doesn't make much sense, because the Intel 8700K has 6 cores.

c) AMD CPUs are much more expensive (at least here) if the goal is to buy the 1900s, while the Intel 8700K is cheaper.

I don't know if the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, for example, gives me what I need or if the Intel 8700K is better. All I see is this:

1800X = +25% speed compared to the Core i7 4770
Intel 8700K = + 49% speed compared to the Core i7 4770

What I don't know: power comsumption from new CPUs and how much better they perform when compared side by side and how much time I'll save compared to my current CPU.
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Motherboard: no idea. Of course it needs to have a good number of USB/PCI-E/PCI/SATA ports and the possibility to expand the RAM more than cheaper models.

RAM: which brand? Question: would it be wise to buy each one with 32 GB at least?

Cooler: for the CPU:
would this be the best choice?
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CW-9060025-WW-Radiator-Advanced-Lighting/dp/B019EXSSBG

I was also told to buy (for the case) 3 units from this:
https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Maste...=1521218048&sr=1-1&keywords=MFY-P2NN-15NMK-R1

2 to put in the front and 1 in the back. The source said the coolers that came with cases are not good.

SSD: I think this is a good choice:
Samsung 860 EVO 1TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-76E1T0B/AM) & Corsair Dual SSD Mounting Bracket 3.5" Bundle

Monitor: which one? It also has to support Ultra-HD Blu-ray, and 4K at its best.

Video card (supporting UHD-BD and most suited for 4K, rendering, playing games, etc.): GTX 1080?

Blu-ray drive (supporting UHD-BD): I am open to suggestions

PSU: one that can handle everything above

Case: one that can handle everything above

 

[whm1974]

OK how much are you able/willing to spend on a 4K editing/rendering/gaming rig total?

 

[Perene]

OK how much are you able/willing to spend on a 4K editing/rendering/gaming rig total?

No specific budget. What I want to avoid is simple:

- Let's say the GTX 1080 is the best value for money option today. There's also the 1080 Ti, however let's also assume the former costs $ 500 and the latter 800. Spending 300 more is justified or the benefits are very slim?

The same can be applied to CPUs. If I can buy one from Intel that can do this job in half the time (4 hours) for 500 $ and there's another for $ 300 (from AMD) that is only 30% faster than my Core i7 4770, then I would choose Intel instead.

In this case I may argue spending 200 $ more for 20% gain is justified because over time we inevitably need to change lots of things, and I rather have a 20% gain for rendering 4K contents than a 20% benefit for the last games, if given the choice between the two.

What I wouldn't do is spending 200 $ more for only a 10% increase, when comparing the two configs, one with AMD and another with a Intel CPU.

In other words: I am looking for a new config that can last for at least 3-4 years.

 

[whm1974]

I thought that Threadripper was the best value for 4K editing and rendering as Intel's 16c/32t CPUs are much more expensive. Like almost three times as much.

 

[Perene]

I thought that Threadripper was the best value for 4K editing and rendering as Intel's 16c/32t CPUs are much more expensive. Like almost three times as much.

Well, if you are talking about prices and the most voted from Userbenchmark.com, these are the figures:

1) Intel Core i9 7980XE - US$ 1710
2) Intel Core i9 7940X - US$ 1360
3) Intel Core i9 7960X - US$ 1545
4) Intel Core i9 7920X - US$ 1089
5) Intel Core i9 7900X - US$ 926
6) Intel Core i7 8700K - US$ 330
7) AMD Ryzen TR 1950X - US$ 870
8) Intel Core i7 7820X - US$ 461
9) Intel Core i5 8600K - US$ 240
10) Intel Core i7 8700 - US$ 303
11) Intel Core i7 7740X - US$ 318
12) Intel Core i7 6950X - US$ 1504
13) Intel Core i7 6900K - US$ 999
14) AMD Ryzen TR 1920X - US$ 671
15) Intel Core i7 7800X - US$ 350

And the list goes on... AMD Ryzen TR 1900X costs US$ 430 and it's number 20. 1800X US$ 329 and in 24th place.

Now, how would the Intel 8700K which only costs US$ 330, and the AMD TR 1920X, which is twice the price, compare?

Intel 8700K = 6 Cores, 12 Threads
AMD TR 1920X = 12 Cores, 24 Threads

Effective speed: Intel is 12% faster

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-TR-1920X/3937vs3934

Do these numbers make any sense?

Do you see now why I am hesitant to tell if AMD is better? One costs 300, the other 600. But the 300 $ difference can be justified, if the goal is to render 4k contents in Vegas?

It can be justified if you took 5 hours in Intel and 2.5 hours in AMD, for example. Otherwise I see no point.

If I am going to follow that logic that more cores/threads means faster speeds, then AMD (despite being more expensive) is the way to go. Yet how faster they are?

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What about 1800X vs. Intel 8700K? They are the same price.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3937vs3916

AMD: 8 Cores, 16 Threads
Intel 8700K = 6 Cores, 12 Threads

Yet that link says Intel is faster.

 

[richaron]

Well, if you are talking about prices and the most voted from Userbenchmark.com, these are the figures:

1) Intel Core i9 7980XE - US$ 1710
2) Intel Core i9 7940X - US$ 1360
3) Intel Core i9 7960X - US$ 1545
4) Intel Core i9 7920X - US$ 1089
5) Intel Core i9 7900X - US$ 926
6) Intel Core i7 8700K - US$ 330
7) AMD Ryzen TR 1950X - US$ 870
8) Intel Core i7 7820X - US$ 461
9) Intel Core i5 8600K - US$ 240
10) Intel Core i7 8700 - US$ 303
11) Intel Core i7 7740X - US$ 318
12) Intel Core i7 6950X - US$ 1504
13) Intel Core i7 6900K - US$ 999
14) AMD Ryzen TR 1920X - US$ 671
15) Intel Core i7 7800X - US$ 350

And the list goes on... AMD Ryzen TR 1900X costs US$ 430 and it's number 20. 1800X US$ 329 and in 24th place.

Now, how would the Intel 8700K which only costs US$ 330, and the AMD TR 1920X, which is twice the price, compare?

Intel 8700K = 6 Cores, 12 Threads
AMD TR 1920X = 12 Cores, 24 Threads

Effective speed: Intel is 12% faster

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-TR-1920X/3937vs3934

Do these numbers make any sense?

Do you see now why I am hesitant to tell if AMD is better? One costs 300, the other 600. But the 300 $ difference can be justified, if the goal is to render 4k contents in Vegas?

It can be justified if you took 5 hours in Intel and 2.5 hours in AMD, for example. Otherwise I see no point.

If I am going to follow that logic that more cores/threads means faster speeds, then AMD (despite being more expensive) is the way to go. Yet how faster they are?

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What about 1800X vs. Intel 8700K? They are the same price.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3937vs3916

AMD: 8 Cores, 16 Threads
Intel 8700K = 6 Cores, 12 Threads

Yet that link says Intel is faster.

Research performance for your specific workload. These sites you linked and their arbitrary averages are useless.

 

[Perene]

OK, I already decided about a few things:

Monitor: LG 32UD59-B 32"

CPU: Intel 8700 (not the K version)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z370 Professional Gaming i7 (Intel Z370)

RAM: Intel Optane Memory Module 32 GB PCIe M.2 80mm MEMPEK1W032GAXT (2 units, so = 64 GB)

Cooler: Corsair CW-9060027-WW Hydro Series H115i Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler , Black

Plus 3 units from:

- Cooler Master MasterFan Pro 120 Air Pressure- 120mm

2 in the front, 1 in the back.

SSD: Samsung EVO 850 1 TB

Video card: I was going to take the GTX 1080, however it's too expensive. For now this is my choice:

GALAX NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 EXOC 6GB

There are only 3 items I am not sure what to get:

Blu-ray drive: needs to be ready for Ultra-HD Blu-rays (4K)

Case: Suited for all this

And finally: Power Supply , which one do you recommended?