I've got some cracking power that I'd like to put to some good use for a team. 1x TBird 950, 1x P233 MMX, 1x 333 K6-2, 1x 450 k6-2. Plus some other systems that I use at work. Right now I've got two email addresses for my personal and work related cracking use for RC5. Should I join a team or remain the "lone gunman" so to speak? And wassup with the DNet stats? I wanna see my cracking rates!:|
What shall I do?
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You should join Team AnandTech, and do as you please from there 
(remain "solo" in TA, or join a "mini-team"...I'm solo). Dnet stats are down....who knows when they'll be back .
Just make sure you have permission for the ones at work
(remain "solo" in TA, or join a "mini-team"...I'm solo). Dnet stats are down....who knows when they'll be back .Just make sure you have permission for the ones at work
RaySun2Be
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I'm with BK, join Team Anandtech, and since you are already doing RC5 help us regain our rightful #1 spot in RC5, although in all fairness, every DC project has it's goals and objectives, whether it is RC5, OGR, SETI, Gamma Flux, GENOME, UD, etc.
As far as being a lone gun, you can join the team and still keep track of your individual stats. Even better, as we have a perproxy www.teamanandtech.com that you can get updates every 15 minutes both daily and overall (for all blocks submitted to that proxy, it doesn't sync with DNET)
If you would like to throw in with a mini-team, check them out before you join.
As far as being a lone gun, you can join the team and still keep track of your individual stats. Even better, as we have a perproxy www.teamanandtech.com that you can get updates every 15 minutes both daily and overall (for all blocks submitted to that proxy, it doesn't sync with DNET)
If you would like to throw in with a mini-team, check them out before you join.
First of all, you should definitely join Team Anandtech. Joining a team has no effect on your personal stats at all, it just helps us out a lot. There are, however, so-called "mini teams" around here that are groups of participants all submitting blocks under the same email address. Whether you want to join one of these is up to you. Personally, I enjoy going it alone. I get my own stats on dnet and get the exhilerating feeling of working my up through the ranks under my own power. However, what you want to do is completely up to you -- I'm sure there are many mini-teams that would love to have your computing power.
Welcome to Team Anandtech OmegaXero!
Nick
Welcome to Team Anandtech OmegaXero!
Nick
I have yet one question. Why permission when using computers for dnet? The client doesn't hog cpu cycles that are of value to the machine. In essence, you don't even notice the client is running. It only lives off of cycles that would otherwise go unused. Am I right? So who cares if you've got permission? Now, yeah, I know its the right thing to do. And I DO HAVE permission to run DNet on my systems at work. But even if I didn't...well, you get the idea.
Damn straight, join Team Anandtech! You could also retire one of your eMails in to the other and have fatter stats.
OmegaXero,
Getting permission, beyond being the right thing to do, is also an iron-clad Dnet rule. Doing it otherwise can get the participant and the team booted.
Russ, NCNE
You could also retire one of your eMails in to the other and have fatter stats.OmegaXero,
Getting permission, beyond being the right thing to do, is also an iron-clad Dnet rule. Doing it otherwise can get the participant and the team booted.
Russ, NCNE
So you're all saying that you would 100% get permission before putting DNet on any computer? Am I like the only guy here that doesn't think that way? I've been fed "its the right thing to do" a whole bunch. But there is a pretty fine line when talking about DNet, considering that its harmless anyways. Someone give me a good reason why I should ask for permission. Anyone????
Someone give me a good reason why I should ask for permission. Anyone????
If your place of employment has a policy against what they consider "un-approved" software, then it would behoove you to get approval...
Many places are also concerned about viruses, etc., from 3rd-party apps that they do not have knowledge of or direct control over, and there are a few known trojans related to dnet clients that can infect machines that have access to the net and have open shares...
If you have no stated policy (written or oral) at your job and/or you are the one who is responsible for maintaining the machines (ie., a Sysadmin, IT Supervisor/Manager, etc.), then it is up to you to correctly interpret your job's take on this and make the decision - including taking full responsibility for any problems should a worm get on those machines and corrupt the OS.
If your place of employment has a policy against what they consider "un-approved" software, then it would behoove you to get approval...
Many places are also concerned about viruses, etc., from 3rd-party apps that they do not have knowledge of or direct control over, and there are a few known trojans related to dnet clients that can infect machines that have access to the net and have open shares...
If you have no stated policy (written or oral) at your job and/or you are the one who is responsible for maintaining the machines (ie., a Sysadmin, IT Supervisor/Manager, etc.), then it is up to you to correctly interpret your job's take on this and make the decision - including taking full responsibility for any problems should a worm get on those machines and corrupt the OS.
Well, it's not 100% harmless. There are other programs which spawn threads which are of low priority (hence, done in "idle" time). If you install RC5, or any other program that uses "idle" time for that matter, those threads will likely not be able to perform there tasks. This happens sometimes in rendering farms.
Plus, a lot of computers have @$#%^( cooling, and would die if they were real world "stressed" (Most people open word, a web browser, and maybe email, and they're set.....which isn't stressing a system).
Power consumption. Some people will (or already do) have massive power bills. Some companies, if they were smart, would make sure to either use an OS with the hlt command built in, or to use a program which employs it, which can greatly reduce power consuption. This also has the added bonus of not spitting out lots of excess heat (and we all know that electrical heating is inefficient use of electricity). Plus, some places have to use AC already. It saves power not only because the CPU's aren't wasting as much electricity, but also because their AC doesn't have to work as hard.
On laptobs, if battery powered, users may want to have their power managment turned on, and use the hlt command to conserver battery life. RC5 and others can be made so that they don't run while on battery power, but not everyone remembers that. So save the laps of laptop users, and don't have it run while on battery power, and help them be able to do their work longer on one charge
There are MANY realistic reasons why one should get permission, aside from ethical ones (though they do coincide).
Oops...I gotta go take my chem exam! Ack! Later!
Plus, a lot of computers have @$#%^( cooling, and would die if they were real world "stressed" (Most people open word, a web browser, and maybe email, and they're set.....which isn't stressing a system).
Power consumption. Some people will (or already do) have massive power bills. Some companies, if they were smart, would make sure to either use an OS with the hlt command built in, or to use a program which employs it, which can greatly reduce power consuption. This also has the added bonus of not spitting out lots of excess heat (and we all know that electrical heating is inefficient use of electricity). Plus, some places have to use AC already. It saves power not only because the CPU's aren't wasting as much electricity, but also because their AC doesn't have to work as hard.
On laptobs, if battery powered, users may want to have their power managment turned on, and use the hlt command to conserver battery life. RC5 and others can be made so that they don't run while on battery power, but not everyone remembers that. So save the laps of laptop users, and don't have it run while on battery power, and help them be able to do their work longer on one charge
There are MANY realistic reasons why one should get permission, aside from ethical ones (though they do coincide).
Oops...I gotta go take my chem exam! Ack! Later!
OmegaXero here you go...
You can read in there about the rules. Here's a quote from them:
<< Client Usage
distributed.net does not condone the unauthorized use of its software on any computer system. You may not run any distributed.net software on a system unless you own the system or have received permission from the owner to run distributed.net software. Running the client on a machine without authorization will result in your removal from the project and will disqualify you from winning.
By running a client and submitting blocks credited to your email address, you give distributed.net the right to post your email address on its statistics pages. distributed.net will never intentionally release email addresses in any other fashion without the address owner's consent. >>
You can read in there about the rules. Here's a quote from them:
<< Client Usage
distributed.net does not condone the unauthorized use of its software on any computer system. You may not run any distributed.net software on a system unless you own the system or have received permission from the owner to run distributed.net software. Running the client on a machine without authorization will result in your removal from the project and will disqualify you from winning.
By running a client and submitting blocks credited to your email address, you give distributed.net the right to post your email address on its statistics pages. distributed.net will never intentionally release email addresses in any other fashion without the address owner's consent. >>
RaySun2Be
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As Russ stated,
it's iron-clad Dnet rule. DNET is very picky about adhering to this one. Especially these days with viruses and back door programs, DNET doesn't want to be identified or associated with that type of "hacker" activity.
Moose, are you lurking around? If so, care to elaborate?
Didn't the DPCs have some problems with an overzealous member or two that had not secured permission? If so, what happened to the them?
I've also known folks who lost their jobs or came close to losing because of unauthorized use. :Q
We, as a team, do not condone or sacntion unauthorized use of any PC for any distributed project. As Team Anandtech, we represent Anand, who has put a lot of himself into this site. It becomes a matter of ethics rather than logical reasoning.
I don't even run it on my wife's PC because she insists she doesn't want it on there, even though I could easily hide it from her. (don't ask why, it's too long a story)
dang I'm slow today. 3 people posted in the time I typed this. :Q
it's iron-clad Dnet rule. DNET is very picky about adhering to this one. Especially these days with viruses and back door programs, DNET doesn't want to be identified or associated with that type of "hacker" activity.
Moose, are you lurking around? If so, care to elaborate?
Didn't the DPCs have some problems with an overzealous member or two that had not secured permission? If so, what happened to the them?
I've also known folks who lost their jobs or came close to losing because of unauthorized use. :Q
We, as a team, do not condone or sacntion unauthorized use of any PC for any distributed project. As Team Anandtech, we represent Anand, who has put a lot of himself into this site. It becomes a matter of ethics rather than logical reasoning.
I don't even run it on my wife's PC because she insists she doesn't want it on there, even though I could easily hide it from her. (don't ask why, it's too long a story
) dang I'm slow today. 3 people posted in the time I typed this. :Q
It is true that the client uses only spare CPU cycles, in other words, resources that would otherwise sit idle. But, let me give you an analogy.
Right now, my van is parked out front doing nothing because I'm in the shop pretending to be working. It is an unused resource. Does that mean that it would be okay for someone to drive it off and use it without permission?
Russ, NCNE
Right now, my van is parked out front doing nothing because I'm in the shop pretending to be working.
It is an unused resource. Does that mean that it would be okay for someone to drive it off and use it without permission?Russ, NCNE
Perhaps I should be more clear. I haven't installed the client on all the PCs at work. I work at a college, we have a large amount of comps dedicated for public access purposes. These are the only machines that I asked to use for DNet purposes. However, they do NOT do anything other than surf the net for research purposes. No one can use your van because its yours. But if you left the keys in your van and put a "public access" sign on it, wouldn't it be okay if people used it without permission? This is the "fine line" I'm talking about. The very systems that I use at work are wasted most of the day anyways. So hows that? Would YOU still ask permission? I can honestly say that even if my work denied me permission I would still have installed DNet. In this case, the program poses no harm. I have conisdered cooling problems with the CPUs running at 100% all the time. However, most of these comps are located in a large library with great ventilation. Power consumption also crossed my mind a while back but I decided not to worry about it
bottom line is, your gonna have to do it if you want to be in TA, and trust me, you want to be a part of this =)
I was simply trying to see if I could get anyone else to say that they had put DNet on systems without asking permission before. Although I do have permission for every single one of my DNet machines, in certain cases, I don't think asking permission would be of concern. I think the example that I provided above is more than enough proof for this. I still can't believe that one of you here hasn't asked permission just once or twice before using DNet. C'mon, am I the only one that hasn't considered using machines without permission?
Statistically speaking certainly "someone" has installed without permission.
To the best of our knowledge, they are not Team Anandtech members.
We don't play that way. We'll also turn in anyone we find that is...
There have been rumors about a particular group - but we understand that's still under
investigation.
100% permission here.
To the best of our knowledge, they are not Team Anandtech members.
We don't play that way. We'll also turn in anyone we find that is...
There have been rumors about a particular group - but we understand that's still under
investigation.
100% permission here.
OK OK, gotcha. I'm the only sinner in this perfect world. I have one last question. You say that to the best of your knowledge no TA members are cracking without permission. How would you know if they were???? I'm really curious about that one.
(BTW, keep in mind that I have never ever ever ever ever run DNet without permission)
(BTW, keep in mind that I have never ever ever ever ever run DNet without permission)
<< You say that to the best of your knowledge no TA members are cracking without permission. How would you know if they were???? >>
/me takes the sacred magic 8 ball out of the moth balls...
osmo: "Does every single Team Anandtech member have permission to run their dc client?"
magic 8 ball: "WITHOUT A DOUBT"
There you have it OmegaXero, btw welcome to the team.
Osmo.
RaySun2Be
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OmegaXero,
<C'mon, am I the only one that hasn't considered using machines without permission?>
No. I've considered it before, sure, and I know others have too. :Q
But considering the temptation is a lot different than actually doing it.
The downside far outweighs the upside, after all, it is a contest, and the stats results certainly aren't worth losing a job over. Nor would I want to let my teammates down or do something to disqualify the team.
We are on the honor system, and we have to trust that team members comply with DNET's rules.
Glad to hear you have permission, and Welcome to the team!
<C'mon, am I the only one that hasn't considered using machines without permission?>
No. I've considered it before, sure, and I know others have too. :Q
But considering the temptation is a lot different than actually doing it.
The downside far outweighs the upside, after all, it is a contest, and the stats results certainly aren't worth losing a job over. Nor would I want to let my teammates down or do something to disqualify the team.
We are on the honor system, and we have to trust that team members comply with DNET's rules.
Glad to hear you have permission, and Welcome to the team!
Team AnandTech is indeed the world's best distributed computing team.
Go Team AnandTech!
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Go Team AnandTech!
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