What Rough Beasts, Their Hour Come . . .


Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
Take a little time and read this deeply insightful look into the ascent and influence of the DeVos family of Michigan . . . includes Blackwater founder Erik Prince and Amway!

I was going to post a few excerpts, but the multitudinous choices overwhelmed me. Seriously! Read this!

I'll just leave you with its relatively tame and understated ending words: :eek:

In Donald Trump, the Medicis of West Michigan have found someone they can do business with. The partnership has helped usher in our brutish times, and each day the slogan MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN feels less like a promise than a threat.


Platinum Member
Feb 26, 2009
few things:

  • "DeVos is too busy fighting her own war. “[Among] her big ‘accomplishments,’” says Diane Ravitch, the N.Y.U. professor and respected education historian, “have been reversing civil-rights enforcement for kids with disabilities, putting administrators from for-profit colleges in charge of monitoring for-prwofit colleges . . . stabbing in the back young people with heavy debt for their college education, and being a constant critic of public schools.”"
  • Supports and now works for Donald Trump
Once again, the so called "Christians" fail to understand their own collossal hypocracy, and those most believe that government should be run like a business stand the most to gain financially from this. Go ahead right wigners, keep telling us its the Unions and social programs that are the problem, not your tacit support for America as a kleptocracy and your complete disregard for seperation of Church and state.


Jan 8, 2001
Don’t like this author. Rambling article on rich people and politics with a side of religion.


Jun 30, 2004
Embrace Class Struggle.

Somebody said something about "Yates?"

I think the title comes from Yeats' poem. Something about "rough beast . . . slouches toward Bethlehem to be born . . " "The Second Coming"


No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
Embrace Class Struggle.

Somebody said something about "Yates?"

I think the title comes from Yeats' poem. Something about "rough beast . . . slouches toward Bethlehem to be born . . " "The Second Coming"

yep. greatest poem, ever

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Too bad republicans are illiterate. They would have been aware of this essential literary-historical text and understood Trump and, really, their party for what it was overt the last 3 or 4 decades. Too bad, idiots all. Everything is right there in text, and this was written ~1924 or so, I believe.


Aug 5, 2000
That family fits right in with the culture that Trump brought to the white House.

A perfect fit.