What role does sex or love play in a marriage?

[Atreus21]

It seems there are people here who think consummation of a marriage doesn't mean anything. And I'm sure a lot of people will make jokes about how they're in loveless sexless marriages.

I think a marriage should lead to children. I think only those that consummate the marriage and progenate should get married. I think that's a start.

It should, but it needn't. But the state has historically recognized marriages on the basis that such things usually produced additional citizens. That is (was) the best argument against gay marriage, or any alternative marriage.

If you don't have love or sex in the marriage, it seems you have some civil union that is purely economical and financial.

Why don't you all tell me the parts of marriage because so far it's not love or sex.

And if it is love, what kind of love are we talking about here?

There's different kinds of love. Love for your kids. Love for a new toy. Love for your mother. Love for the lakers.

You tell me then. Since you're all so open minded and are so evolved and I'm just some backwoods bigot who you've assumed is racist too.

You tell me

I have an honest suggestion. If you're interested in defining love, you might read The Four Loves by CS Lewis. It's not fully explored on an Internet forum, this one least of all.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

It takes something special to really stand out as a shit head in P&N. Congratulations OP.

I think he's hilarious. I can't honestly tell if he's trolling or just stupid, but either way his premises are so absurd as to be legitimately amusing. He's just so salty about the gays. Getting mad isn't going to help. So we can point and laugh and go, "Wow, they still make you?" and then move on to better things. He's not hurting anyone; he has literally no power.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

and how is this politics and/or news?

 

[joshuaclottey]

When a man and a woman get married, how long do we give them to conceive before we annul the marriage? 3 months? 6 months? A year? I mean, if they aren't making babies, they're just gaming the system, right?

What about people who have children outside of marriage? Should we allow them to get married because marriage is for raising children, or are they not allowed because marriage is solely for procreation and has nothing to do with raising the kids?

If marriage is indeed for raising the kids, why wouldn't we extend the benefits to lesbian mothers or gay fathers?

If marriage is solely about procreation, then why don't we punish anyone who gets pregnant out of wedlock? Forced abortion, mandatory sterilization, etc. Why do these people get a pass when it comes to our control of the procreation process?

How can we really be sure marriages are about love and sex without regular inspections conducted to determine the sanctity of the marriage through the frequency of intercourse and knowledge of a spouse's intimate secrets? How about annual visits where spouses have to participate in a game in which they must guess how their spouse answered a series of questions, and if they fail, the marriage is annulled. Also, every bedroom would have cameras installed, monitored by the government, to ensure that intercourse is happening frequently and with sufficient vigor.

Don't bail out now. If you want to do this thing right, you've got to be willing to go all the way. If people aren't living to your exact standard of what you expect life to be (boy meets girl, falls in love, gets married, makes babies, buys minivan, moves to suburbs, preferably is white, Republican and God-fearing), then they must be stopped. Freedom ain't free. Apparently all it costs is liberty.

Nothing that I'm advocating is negative or bad. I'm not the one condoning all this gay marriage.


Women used to be punished for having kids out of wedlock.

But like I said. You tell me. You know everything. I'm just a close minded bigot. You tell me what's right?

 

[joshuaclottey]

I think he's hilarious. I can't honestly tell if he's trolling or just stupid, but either way his premises are so absurd as to be legitimately amusing. He's just so salty about the gays. Getting mad isn't going to help. So we can point and laugh and go, "Wow, they still make you?" and then move on to better things. He's not hurting anyone; he has literally no power.

You tell me then.

What role does sex or love play in a marriage?

That's the title of this thread

Btw, are you homosexual? If you're not then why are you pro homosexual?

 

[boomerang]

I think he's hilarious. I can't honestly tell if he's trolling or just stupid, but either way his premises are so absurd as to be legitimately amusing. He's just so salty about the gays. Getting mad isn't going to help. So we can point and laugh and go, "Wow, they still make you?" and then move on to better things. He's not hurting anyone; he has literally no power.

He's trolling. His other thread got locked and he immediately starts this new one. Nearly everyone can see where it's headed.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

This thread is now about the drought affecting California and the swamplands that are now the Illinois cornfields, discuss.

 

[soundforbjt]

Women used to be punished for having kids out of wedlock.

Really? there were laws against it? Link please.

 

[mikeymikec]

I'd say that's the ulterior motive. OP is proving himself to be a troll. Sooner or later he'll be gone.

IMO the OP is in a long line of forum users who don't want to have interesting discussions and to learn something from them, they just want to say something and have other people agree with them.

The OP in this particular thread started by asking a question then answering that question to their satisfaction. Any counter questions are met with justification-free and substance-free statements such as an arbitrary view of what consummating a relationship involves.

I don't know about the OP but if I spent half the night engaged in sexual antics with my wife, I'd call that consummating the relationship even though it didn't necessarily involve sticking my dick in her vagina. Both my wife and I would definitely agree that there are plenty of ways for us to feel sexually sated without necessarily involving intercourse, as I'm sure that a significant percentage of reasonably sexually experienced people would also concur in their respective relationships.

For example, I'm pretty sure that most guys on this forum would feel pretty happy going to sleep after their partner had just blown them, probably as happy (perhaps more so) than if they had intercourse.

Btw, are you homosexual? If you're not then why are you pro homosexual?

Btw, are you ginger-haired? If not, then why are you pro ginger people getting married? /s



He's "pro homosexual" as you put it because he's not a bigoted idiot who feels the need to tell people that their relationship isn't up to his standards.

 

[joshuaclottey]

Nobody has even made a good argument for gay marriage.

 

[joshuaclottey]

Really? there were laws against it? Link please.

Ugh.

What I MEANT was there was a social stigma to it back in the day. They were ostracized from their families forced to "go away" for a while etc. Etc.

 

[realibrad]

Nobody has even made a good argument for gay marriage.

I already did.

 

[mikeymikec]

Nobody has even made a good argument for gay marriage.

Some couples want to officially declare their long term commitment and love to each other with friends and family present to witness their promise to each other and celebrate the event.

Heterosexual people are no different from homosexual people in this respect.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Nobody has even made a good argument for gay marriage.

I hope your colostomy bag breaks OP.

 

[Brainonska511]

Nobody has even made a good argument for gay marriage.

There were plenty of good arguments. You just stuck your fingers in your eyes and ears and shouted "LALALALA"

 

[soundforbjt]

Nobody has even made a good argument for gay marriage.

I thought this thread was about the role love & sex plays in marriage? Now you're saying it's about gay marriage...if so, change the title.

 

[joshuaclottey]

The OP in this particular thread started by asking a question then answering that question to their satisfaction. Any counter questions are met with justification-free and substance-free statements such as an arbitrary view of what consummating a relationship involves.

I don't know about the OP but if I spent half the night engaged in sexual antics with my wife, I'd call that consummating the relationship even though it didn't necessarily involve sticking my dick in her vagina. Both my wife and I would definitely agree that there are plenty of ways for us to feel sexually sated without necessarily involving intercourse, as I'm sure that a significant percentage of reasonably sexually experienced people would also concur in their respective relationships.

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I would whole-heartedly disagree. There's nothing like the real thing.

Marriage in the traditional sense doesn't even apply to gays.

 

[MongGrel]

I would whole-heartedly disagree. There's nothing like the real thing.

Marriage in the traditional sense doesn't even apply to gays.

And there it is.

 

[joshuaclottey]

There were plenty of good arguments. You just stuck your fingers in your eyes and ears and shouted "LALALALA"

Refresh my memory.

You were just asking me questions.

 

[Brainonska511]

I would whole-heartedly disagree. There's nothing like the real thing.

Marriage in the traditional sense doesn't even apply to gays.

In the traditional sense of marriage, modern heterosexual marriage looks nothing like "tradition".

 

[Brainonska511]

Refresh my memory.

You were just asking me questions.

I didn't say I was making those arguments. I probably posted about them before your time here, but I don't really feel like seriously entertaining this tripe of a thread.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Nobody has even made a good argument for gay marriage.

Who had the over/under for it taking less than 36 posts until this fucktard started spewing his sewage?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Nothing that I'm advocating is negative or bad.

Every single word you've typed on this forum has lowered our collective IQ.

 

[joshuaclottey]

Some couples want to officially declare theicanohonorrm commitment and love to each other with friends and family present to witness their promise to each other and celebrate the event.
Heterosexual people are no different from homosexual people in this respect.

Ok,

They can do all of that without the government involved.

Why does the government have to recognize it?

They can throw a party in the backyard.

they can look for a minister that can
Honor it.

 

[Brainonska511]

They can do all of that without the government involved. Why does the government have to recognize it?

There are all sorts of rights legally recognized and acquired through marriage:

Hospital visitation rights
Control over spouse's body in the event of death
Taxes
Insurance benefits
Custody rights of children in the event of divorce
Shared property rights
and so on...

For all these nonreligious reasons there is government involvement in recognizing 2 people's union, which legally speaking and colloquially speaking, we have always called marriage.