What role does Iran have in the recent Shi'a uprising in Iraq?

UNCjigga

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Hancock was filling in for Rush this afternoon and said he believes Iran might be behind the Shi'a uprising in Iraq. While his facts were scarce (he's a conservative after all :p) it seems very plausible...in fact I think there is definately some truth in this. While al-Sadr (the radical Shi'ite cleric now under house arrest in Iraq) may have incited the recent surge in violence, where are all these shi'ites getting their guns? Where are they getting the money necessary to fund their operations and carry out attacks? Let us not forget that Saddam Hussein did a fairly good job of ensuring that the Shi'a "oppressed majority" would never have the weapons or the willpower needed to overthrow his sunni Baath regime. Well, he's gone, and that takes care of the willpower problem.

I'm not suggesting that the Iranian government is complicit with shi'a terrorists in Iraq--far from it. This is just another example of the ayatollahs starving for more power and authority than what they've enjoyed in Iran over the past few years. The Iranian population (especially students) have been leaning towards a more modern, progressive government and this has the ayatollahs scared. Right next door, however, is an oil-rich country with no functioning government and a poor, less-educated, starving population comprised mainly of Shi'ites.

So what can the U.S. do to ensure that powerful Iranian ayatollahs do not exert their influence in Iraq?? As Hancock pointed out on the air, the tactic of kidnapping and hostage taking with the threat of 'burning them alive' is somewhat 'Iranian in nature', and it has not appeared until now. Of course, Hancock's spin on the issue seems to echo the neo-conservative murmurs of "Iran is next", but like I said the whole government in Iran is not to blame.
 

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A large amount of the enlisted men in the Iraq army were Shi'a. Many of them just kept their guns after the war was over. Plus the arms depots were looted as well.

I'm pretty sure that there was an underground for decades that have been waiting for their chance to fight against the Sunni government as well.

Sure, Iran has been meddling, but they're just one player.

Michael
 

Passions

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Iran and Al Queda is 100% behind all of the kidnappings and attacks. The Iraqi people love Americans and would never turn against us.
 

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Time says maybe
Administration says no, at this point. Probably just posturing though. I think Iran will act to prevent any kind of US friendly government on it's border. But how far will they act? Once Kerry is in office, they'll surely escalate...

NY Post says yes (op-ed)

 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: Passions
Iran and Al Queda is 100% behind all of the kidnappings and attacks. The Iraqi people love Americans and would never turn against us.

Kiss my A$$ won't turn againts you, I'm againts the occupation of my country. Your govt. has been telling us nothing but lies, and their giving power to puppets who will creat a fake democratic system in Iraq. I and many other Iraqis support the resistant in Fallujah, Najaf, Karbala, Baghdad, and many other places in Iraq. Before you say BS things talk to a real Iraqi and tell him how he feels, then you can say stuff like that.
 

UNCjigga

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Passions
Iran and Al Queda is 100% behind all of the kidnappings and attacks. The Iraqi people love Americans and would never turn against us.

Kiss my A$$ won't turn againts you, I'm againts the occupation of my country. Your govt. has been telling us nothing but lies, and their giving power to puppets who will creat a fake democratic system in Iraq. I and many other Iraqis support the resistant in Fallujah, Najaf, Karbala, Baghdad, and many other places in Iraq. Before you say BS things talk to a real Iraqi and tell him how he feels, then you can say stuff like that.
You use Internet access in Iraq to browse these forums?

 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: Jigga
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Passions
Iran and Al Queda is 100% behind all of the kidnappings and attacks. The Iraqi people love Americans and would never turn against us.

Kiss my A$$ won't turn againts you, I'm againts the occupation of my country. Your govt. has been telling us nothing but lies, and their giving power to puppets who will creat a fake democratic system in Iraq. I and many other Iraqis support the resistant in Fallujah, Najaf, Karbala, Baghdad, and many other places in Iraq. Before you say BS things talk to a real Iraqi and tell him how he feels, then you can say stuff like that.
You use Internet access in Iraq to browse these forums?

no, I live in canada but my family are in Iraq I have contact with them
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Jigga
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Passions
Iran and Al Queda is 100% behind all of the kidnappings and attacks. The Iraqi people love Americans and would never turn against us.

Kiss my A$$ won't turn againts you, I'm againts the occupation of my country. Your govt. has been telling us nothing but lies, and their giving power to puppets who will creat a fake democratic system in Iraq. I and many other Iraqis support the resistant in Fallujah, Najaf, Karbala, Baghdad, and many other places in Iraq. Before you say BS things talk to a real Iraqi and tell him how he feels, then you can say stuff like that.
You use Internet access in Iraq to browse these forums?

no, I live in canada but my family are in Iraq I have contact with them
OH, so you just support it in spirit. Like all the lefties on here chant, if you support your side so much, pack up and pick up a gun, son!

 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Jigga
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Passions
Iran and Al Queda is 100% behind all of the kidnappings and attacks. The Iraqi people love Americans and would never turn against us.

Kiss my A$$ won't turn againts you, I'm againts the occupation of my country. Your govt. has been telling us nothing but lies, and their giving power to puppets who will creat a fake democratic system in Iraq. I and many other Iraqis support the resistant in Fallujah, Najaf, Karbala, Baghdad, and many other places in Iraq. Before you say BS things talk to a real Iraqi and tell him how he feels, then you can say stuff like that.
You use Internet access in Iraq to browse these forums?

no, I live in canada but my family are in Iraq I have contact with them
OH, so you just support it in spirit. Like all the lefties on here chant, if you support your side so much, pack up and pick up a gun, son!

are you dumb or what, I'm Iraqi one of many 28 million other Iraqis. It's my country not yours, it's my duty to take a position on that matter. You watch your bias news source and believe every thing these neo-cons say and ignore what Iraqis say and feel. Be an Ignorant
 

Passions

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Passions
Iran and Al Queda is 100% behind all of the kidnappings and attacks. The Iraqi people love Americans and would never turn against us.

Kiss my A$$ won't turn againts you, I'm againts the occupation of my country. Your govt. has been telling us nothing but lies, and their giving power to puppets who will creat a fake democratic system in Iraq. I and many other Iraqis support the resistant in Fallujah, Najaf, Karbala, Baghdad, and many other places in Iraq. Before you say BS things talk to a real Iraqi and tell him how he feels, then you can say stuff like that.

You support the resistance??? I suppose you were cheering in front of your TV when 4 dead American contractors were burned and strewn across a bridge too, right? Another ungrateful immigrant peasant with no gratitude towards western civilization and democracy. If you like it so much, then go back to your flea infested mud hole.
 

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Jigga
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Passions
Iran and Al Queda is 100% behind all of the kidnappings and attacks. The Iraqi people love Americans and would never turn against us.

Kiss my A$$ won't turn againts you, I'm againts the occupation of my country. Your govt. has been telling us nothing but lies, and their giving power to puppets who will creat a fake democratic system in Iraq. I and many other Iraqis support the resistant in Fallujah, Najaf, Karbala, Baghdad, and many other places in Iraq. Before you say BS things talk to a real Iraqi and tell him how he feels, then you can say stuff like that.
You use Internet access in Iraq to browse these forums?

no, I live in canada but my family are in Iraq I have contact with them

wow...your Iraqi and you live in Canada. Thats like the worst combination to have on this forum.
Things we hate:
1. Canadians :D
2. Iraqis that support the killing of American troops
3. Bush/Kerry combined
4. Terrorists
 

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Originally posted by: Passions
Another ungrateful immigrant peasant with no gratitude towards western civilization and democracy.

Now, while MegaWorks might come across as somewhat loopy at times, I have to ask myself (and you). Is he an "ungrateful immigrant peasant" because he disagrees with your opinion? I'm betting if you talked to an Iraqi who agreed with you, you'd be patting him on the back for being a good Iraqi for accepting everything that's going on. You have to remember, not all Iraqis, regardless if they were for or against Hussein want the US there. It's their county, not yours.


If you like it so much, then go back to your flea infested mud hole.

So that's how you see Iraq? Nice to know.
 

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Hey MegaWorks,

I hope you realize that most American (and most of the people here) truly want the Iraqis to have peace and happiness despite the mess that is going on now (and despite some of the things some of us have said or are saying -- things are a little heated now).

What I want to ask you is this:

When this is all over, do you think the Iraqi people can forgive us and our country and people can be friends in the future? Or has things gone too far?
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Passions
Iran and Al Queda is 100% behind all of the kidnappings and attacks. The Iraqi people love Americans and would never turn against us.

Kiss my A$$ won't turn againts you, I'm againts the occupation of my country. Your govt. has been telling us nothing but lies, and their giving power to puppets who will creat a fake democratic system in Iraq. I and many other Iraqis support the resistant in Fallujah, Najaf, Karbala, Baghdad, and many other places in Iraq. Before you say BS things talk to a real Iraqi and tell him how he feels, then you can say stuff like that.

You support the resistance??? I suppose you were cheering in front of your TV when 4 dead American contractors were burned and strewn across a bridge too, right? Another ungrateful immigrant peasant with no gratitude towards western civilization and democracy. If you like it so much, then go back to your flea infested mud hole.

the problem with people like you is that your brainwatch by your media. You leaders talk and claim this and that and you believe everything, while in our culture we question everything thats why we opposted Saddam and demanded our freedom. In the 80's you Govt. supported Saddam while the Iraqi people where suffering from this dictator. Using him to accomplish there strategic goals in the region. In 1991 when the Iraqis began their uprising for freedom againts Saddam, your govt. did nothing to help us the reson is simple they didn't what the people of Iraq to have an independed State. You claim you're civilized, supporting a barbaric regime againts it's people and using him to fight it's wars while the people have to endure these wars, you call that CIVILIZED A$$hole. To answer you're question, no I didn't cheer when I saw these 4 Americans burning to death.
 

Passions

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Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Passions
Another ungrateful immigrant peasant with no gratitude towards western civilization and democracy.

Now, while MegaWorks might come across as somewhat loopy at times, I have to ask myself (and you). Is he an "ungrateful immigrant peasant" because he disagrees with your opinion? I'm betting if you talked to an Iraqi who agreed with you, you'd be patting him on the back for being a good Iraqi for accepting everything that's going on. You have to remember, not all Iraqis, regardless if they were for or against Hussein want the US there. It's their county, not yours.


If you like it so much, then go back to your flea infested mud hole.

So that's how you see Iraq? Nice to know.


SHUT UP TERRORIST!
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: StormRider
Hey MegaWorks,

I hope you realize that most American (and most of the people here) truly want the Iraqis to have peace and happiness despite the mess that is going on now (and despite some of the things some of us have said or are saying -- things are a little heated now).

What I want to ask you is this:

When this is all over, do you think the Iraqi people can forgive us and our country and people can be friends in the future? Or has things gone too far?

I don't blame the crimes of your govt on you, I believe that the American people are victims of the US govt just like we where with Saddam. But you guys have to stand up to your govt policies, you have to know why leaders are willing to go to war etc. think deep just like how we do. Friendship of course I would love to have american friends why not, I would like to know more on your culture
 

Passions

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while in our culture we question everything thats why we opposted Saddam and demanded our freedom.

Yeah, you sure do question everything you read in Al Jazzera, huh? You people read up that crap just as if it were TRUTH. Maybe YOU'RE the one who is brainwashed. You might have opposed Saddam and demanded your freedom, but you people couldn't do jack $*@# about it for decades, huh? It takes men with guts and power to remove Saddam, not whimpy terrorists who fight behind mosques and ambush contractors. No wonder Iraqi's couldn't remove Saddam!!!



 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: Passions
SHUT UP TERRORIST!

Is this what you do everytime you can't counter an argument? Why bother posting if you can't have a civil discussion?

Also, I don't appreciate being called a terrorist. You apologize or I'm contacting the mods to have your ass banned for slander.
 

Passions

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Okay, I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I promise to never call you that again. Let's be friends now?
 

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
the problem with people like you is that your brainwatch by your media. You leaders talk and claim this and that and you believe everything, while in our culture we question everything thats why we opposted Saddam and demanded our freedom. In the 80's you Govt. supported Saddam while the Iraqi people where suffering from this dictator. Using him to accomplish there strategic goals in the region. In 1991 when the Iraqis began their uprising for freedom againts Saddam, your govt. did nothing to help us the reson is simple they didn't what the people of Iraq to have an independed State. You claim you're civilized, supporting a barbaric regime againts it's people and using him to fight it's wars while the people have to endure these wars, you call that CIVILIZED A$$hole. To answer you're question, no I didn't cheer when I saw these 4 Americans burning to death.

If you don't want us to generalize you, don't generalize us. I do not know a single person in the US that doesn't take what they see on the news with a huge bag of salt. In the 80's we provided intelligence and other assistance to help Iraq avoid being overrun by Iran. In 1991 we acted within the UN mandate and did not help overthrow a recognized government. As you said it's your country, if you wanted to overthrow a leader that we did NOT support YOU and your people should have overthrown him without our assistance. It is neither our repsonsibility nor our obligation to free any people or act in any manner that is NOT in our self-interest.

Take a step back and realize what fragile ground your country is on, these are exactly the issues the US did not want to deal with in '91 but felt threatened enough after 9/11 to take on the responsibility of dealing with. Without US intervention Iraq would have remained under saddam's rule until his death and one of his sons would have taken over after yet you still support the resistance against our involvement.

The irony of that is outstanding, you would appear to prefer that your country fall into civil war.
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: Passions
while in our culture we question everything thats why we opposted Saddam and demanded our freedom.

Yeah, you sure do question everything you read in Al Jazzera, huh? You people read up that crap just as if it were TRUTH. Maybe YOU'RE the one who is brainwashed. You might have opposed Saddam and demanded your freedom, but you people couldn't do jack $*@# about it for decades, huh? It takes men with guts and power to remove Saddam, not whimpy terrorists who fight behind mosques and ambush contractors. No wonder Iraqi's couldn't remove Saddam!!!

takes balls, do you have any! it cost us 500,000 lifes in 92 because we tried to take him out. We're not a super power like you guys. you country is capable of taking him out it's normal, you guys spend around 400 billion a year on military. Please don't make an A$$ out yourself
 

Passions

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Since we did take him out, why aren't you thankful about it? Instead you post crap about how supportive of the resistance you are,
rolleye.gif
 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: Passions
Okay, I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I promise to never call you that again.

Heh, fine, I forgive you. Next time though, counter my arguments with something other than one liners, damn it!

Let's be friends now?

Uh, how about not? Let just be civil, ok? :p
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: Passions
Since we did take him out, why aren't you thankful about it? Instead you post crap about how supportive of the resistance you are,
rolleye.gif

the question is, that is the US planning in Iraq?
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Passions
Since we did take him out, why aren't you thankful about it? Instead you post crap about how supportive of the resistance you are,
rolleye.gif

the question is, that is the US planning in Iraq?

To establish a hopefully stable democracy and get the hell out of there. The american people want our boys over there less than you do. Anything else you could suggest would be absolutely completely ignorant. Your people are so fearful of people's motives being altruistic that you would rather your country degenerate into civil war. Mark my words, if any of those "leaders"/resistance currently jockying for power gain control, the country will disintegrate into civil war at the best and at the worst could end up a religious theocracy controlled by a group of mullahs more concerned with their own power than the wellfare of the people (Saddam v2).

Consider something, what is worse, someone you don't trust with power and control who's motives you question or someone who is taking advantage of nationalism and anger to gain power and respect. Think about that for a minute. You have stated you prefer number 2, those who seek power are more dangerous than those that have it. The taint of power has already corrupted them.