What right does the nation of Israel have to exist - curious if you Gentiles think it was acceptable what was done to

[K1052]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Same right that the US has to exist after what it did to the Indians. Life isn't fair.
Anyways, I am not sure how long Israel will actually exist. Arabs only have to win once, Israel has to win every single time. No matter how good Israel is at fighting wars, and how inept the Arabs are at doing it, those are some formidable odds. In historical terms, Israel may end up being nothing more than the Crusades redux. But in the mean time, they need to defend themselves and give themselves every advantage they can get, fair or unfair.

Israel would have to internally collapse or dramatically weaken to make that a signifigant possibility. When facing certain destruction of their state and possible genocide I sure wouldn't want to be making the bet that the Israelis won't use their nukes against the aggressors when up against the wall.

 

[Julius Shark]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
?Hoping some can logically explain?

I?ll explain it, but it won?t be through logic. Logic is the tool that academe uses to blind the hearts of men to the truth.

Here is Truth:

The Israeli lands were given by God to the Jewish people. The Palestinians are trespassers. They will be driven out by force.

I didn't know the trolls were out to play today. If I knew I would have given you a , but there wasn't a sticky saying that 12/30/08 was a "let the trolls out" day.

FU. You people need to get another tool for the tool box. Using the troll lable everytime you run out of ideas is the Liberal way.

Ask your hero Barney Frank.

I'm so glad you know who my heroes are and which party I align with :roll:

I'm glad that you at least realize you can't explain it through logic though, because logic and rational thought is the bane of religion everywhere. If you want to get into a debate about logic "blinding the hearts of men to the truth" I'd be more than happy to participate.


If you want to talk about the "hearts and minds of men" then logic would be used to win the mind of man. Philosophically speaking, the mind is the realm of logic, rational thinking, and proof/evidence based arguments. The heart is the realm of emotions, intuition, and "gut feelings".

Let's ignore that aspect of your statement though and move on to the rest of your statement. In the Bible it says that God promised the land to the Israelite people. With that being said, no where in recorded history was a state of Israel given to a certain group of people by God. If you can show me anytime in recorded history where your God defined the borders of the "promised land", please show me. Israel was created in modern times, starting with the Balfour Declaration in 1917 through the UN declaration in 1947.

Your religious beliefs, are just that your beliefs. Show me any non-religious proof that the Palestinian people have any less right to that land than Israel. This land is contested on a religious basis (but also now because the people who lived there prior to the UN declaration in 1947, want the land that belonged to them back).

You are a religious zealot. People that believe like you do are the reason for most of the conflict in the region. There are religious nuts like you who believe that "The Palestinians are trespassers", but there are just as many on the other side that believe the Israeli people are trespassers. Both sides want the other driven out by force.

So I will wait for any non-religious proof that the Israeli people have any more right to that land than the Palestinian people. Until then, you are a religious zealot troll and need to go back to your cave.

There?s that old saw again, the ?troll? charge. Is that all you people have got around here?

You?re going to be waiting until the frigging cows come home, son. I will offer no non-religious proof for my opinion. Every single thought that goes through my mind is filtered through the anointed one and his words. It?s impossible to separate it.

Perhaps you Liberals would be well served to try to understand that rather that to get us to speak your language.


You want me back in my cave?

FU

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
There?s that old saw again, the ?troll? charge. Is that all you people have got around here?

You?re going to be waiting until the frigging cows come home, son. I will offer no non-religious proof for my opinion. Every single thought that goes through my mind is filtered through the anointed one and his words. It?s impossible to separate it.

Perhaps you Liberals would be well served to try to understand that rather that to get us to speak your language.

You want me back in my cave?

FU

:laugh:

 

[Julius Shark]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
?Hoping some can logically explain?

I?ll explain it, but it won?t be through logic. Logic is the tool that academe uses to blind the hearts of men to the truth.

Here is Truth:

The Israeli lands were given by God to the Jewish people. The Palestinians are trespassers. They will be driven out by force.

I didn't know the trolls were out to play today. If I knew I would have given you a , but there wasn't a sticky saying that 12/30/08 was a "let the trolls out" day.

FU. You people need to get another tool for the tool box. Using the troll lable everytime you run out of ideas is the Liberal way.

Ask your hero Barney Frank.

About what I would expect from a so called Christian.

Hey pal, being a Christian means one thing and one thing only, Jesus is my savior.
You Liberals have had it way to easy around here. We won?t be using your standards to determine what a Christian is or is not.

Christians are as diverse (there?s a nice Liberal/Democrat word for ya) as all of society. There are baby Christians that are esily corrupted by the outside and then there are adults, like me, that have access to all things.

There aren?t a lot of plays in the Liberal playbook. If you are stuck on a subject it?s time to call your opponent a ?troll?.

If a Christian is strong, powerful and opinionated, like me, you try to cut my balls off by saying that I should be weak and pliable so you bullies can run roughshod over the top of me.

You?ve castrated more that a few on this forum by the looks of things. It won?t happen to me.

Dig?

BTW.. thanks for the opportunity to get that out. I didn?t intend it as a personal. However, I do want to get real strong so that everyone is crustal clear where I'm coming from.

You might want to figure out who you are talking to before you go off shooting off your mouth.

I'm just about the last person on these forums you could ever call a liberal.

If you're not a Christian, you and I will most likely disagree on alot of things.

Not personal. Just factual.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
There?s that old saw again, the ?troll? charge. Is that all you people have got around here?

You?re going to be waiting until the frigging cows come home, son. I will offer no non-religious proof for my opinion. Every single thought that goes through my mind is filtered through the anointed one and his words. It?s impossible to separate it.

Perhaps you Liberals would be well served to try to understand that rather that to get us to speak your language.

You want me back in my cave?

FU

:laugh:

Shit...everyone knows the JC is down with dropping F Bombs....he was from the hood in Nazareth after all. Wasn't uncommon to see him rolling down the street on a tricked out donkey, with 22" legs of course, bumping out some Lil Wayne and getting all them fine bitches.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
?Hoping some can logically explain?

I?ll explain it, but it won?t be through logic. Logic is the tool that academe uses to blind the hearts of men to the truth.

Here is Truth:

The Israeli lands were given by God to the Jewish people. The Palestinians are trespassers. They will be driven out by force.

I didn't know the trolls were out to play today. If I knew I would have given you a , but there wasn't a sticky saying that 12/30/08 was a "let the trolls out" day.

FU. You people need to get another tool for the tool box. Using the troll lable everytime you run out of ideas is the Liberal way.

Ask your hero Barney Frank.

About what I would expect from a so called Christian.

Hey pal, being a Christian means one thing and one thing only, Jesus is my savior.
You Liberals have had it way to easy around here. We won?t be using your standards to determine what a Christian is or is not.

Christians are as diverse (there?s a nice Liberal/Democrat word for ya) as all of society. There are baby Christians that are esily corrupted by the outside and then there are adults, like me, that have access to all things.

There aren?t a lot of plays in the Liberal playbook. If you are stuck on a subject it?s time to call your opponent a ?troll?.

If a Christian is strong, powerful and opinionated, like me, you try to cut my balls off by saying that I should be weak and pliable so you bullies can run roughshod over the top of me.

You?ve castrated more that a few on this forum by the looks of things. It won?t happen to me.

Dig?

BTW.. thanks for the opportunity to get that out. I didn?t intend it as a personal. However, I do want to get real strong so that everyone is crustal clear where I'm coming from.

You might want to figure out who you are talking to before you go off shooting off your mouth.

I'm just about the last person on these forums you could ever call a liberal.

If you're not a Christian, you and I will most likelt disagree on alot of things.

Not personal. Just factual.

You're about as Christian as Jim Baker. I'm sure you put up a good front, but your actions and words here paint a far clearer picture of who and what you really are.

 

[Julius Shark]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
There?s that old saw again, the ?troll? charge. Is that all you people have got around here?

You?re going to be waiting until the frigging cows come home, son. I will offer no non-religious proof for my opinion. Every single thought that goes through my mind is filtered through the anointed one and his words. It?s impossible to separate it.

Perhaps you Liberals would be well served to try to understand that rather that to get us to speak your language.

You want me back in my cave?

FU

:laugh:

That FU being filtered through the mind of the anointed one is funny, yes?

Do you think God is going to fall out of his chair and choke on an apple when I tell someone to STFU and FU?

I?ll guarantee you he?s up on his feet this very moment cheering me on!

Now hear this Liberals, you?ve got to change the way you think about Christians.
You got your President (who is nothing more than a servant BTW) so you think you can put us away.

Wrong.

We are getting ready to take over.

Get used to it.

 

[shiner]

Oh goody....another Christian jihadist...err I mean crusader.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

There?s that old saw again, the ?troll? charge. Is that all you people have got around here?

You?re going to be waiting until the frigging cows come home, son. I will offer no non-religious proof for my opinion. Every single thought that goes through my mind is filtered through the anointed one and his words. It?s impossible to separate it.

Perhaps you Liberals would be well served to try to understand that rather that to get us to speak your language.


You want me back in my cave?

FU

Then don't offer it up as fact.

I'm glad you admit that you can't (or won't) offer any kind of evidence that anything you say is in fact factual.

Originally posted by: Julius Shark
The Israeli lands were given by God to the Jewish people. The Palestinians are trespassers. They will be driven out by force.

So that statement is solely your opinion, and has no basis in any sort of factual reality.

Does anybody know if it's troll hunting season yet? I ran out of my supply of troll meat from CasioTech a few weeks back, and have been in need of a resupply.