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What qualifies as a "mass shooting"?

moonbogg

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When I think of a "mass shooting" I think of like 30 people getting shot, not 3 or 4. What do you think? Seems the media sais that if more than one person is even SHOT AT, then its a mass shooting and we should kill the second amendment.
California is all set to pass a new law, as I'm sure you guys are already well aware and discussing elsewhere, that sais if you simply claim someone is dangerous then a judge & police can simply take that person's guns away until they are considered to be safe and sane!
Get into an argument with your wife? WATCH OUT, she will tell on you and have all your gun rights taken away, along with your guns. This is a beautiful law that is perfect for abusing.
 

highland145

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When I think of a "mass shooting" I think of like 30 people getting shot, not 3 or 4. What do you think? Seems the media sais that if more than one person is even SHOT AT, then its a mass shooting and we should kill the second amendment.
California is all set to pass a new law, as I'm sure you guys are already well aware and discussing elsewhere, that sais if you simply claim someone is dangerous then a judge & police can simply take that person's guns away until they are considered to be safe and sane!
Get into an argument with your wife? WATCH OUT, she will tell on you and have all your gun rights taken away, along with your guns. This is a beautiful law that is perfect for abusing.
CDV is the same. If the cops are called, someone is going to jail. She scratches her arm, says you did it...felony...no firearms.
 

Newell Steamer

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#1, be white
#2, kill a bunch of innocent people
#3, die or get arrested
#4, claim you are insane (even though you were smart, intelligent and organized enough to plot and carry out your killings)
#5, sit back and enjoy the mass of offer letters from women looking to carry your baby (unless you die in #3 of course)

Optional: write a very long and boring letter that proves what a fucking tool you really are.
 

smackababy

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mass - adj; relating to, done by, or affecting large numbers of people or things.

So, that relies on large - adj; of considerable or relatively great size, extent, or capacity.

None of that sounds like 3 or 4 people. I think, at least 5 needs killed in a single incident before we can classify them as a mass murderer.
 

Ruptga

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Aug 3, 2006
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OP answered his own question, ergo this is a rant thread.

3/10 rant, put in some effort next time.
 

hanoverphist

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i think it would have to be 12 or more for "mass" killing.

#4, claim you are insane (even though you were smart, intelligent and organized enough to plot and carry out your killings)

insane and intelligence have nothing in common other than the first two letters.
 

sactoking

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Sep 24, 2007
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Shooting means to discharge a firearm, so a mass shooting is any discharge of a firearm in large quantity. The number of "hits" is superfluous.
 

zinfamous

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--Boston "Massacre" : 7 deaths (or was it 5?) Anyway, it lead to a war.
--St Valentines Day "Massacre" : 7 deaths

Not sure about mass shooting, but "massacre" seems worse, and that appears to start at 7 (or 5) deaths.
 

zinfamous

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And what's the difference between a murder and an assassination?

I think assassination involves "targeted killing for pay." Anyone can be an assassin, as long as they are paid to kill someone.

Kinda like how you can't call yourself a writer until someone pays you for something you wrote.
 

KB

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Are you from California? If they take your guns, don't worry, you can get new ones from your state representative Leland Yee. He sells the fully automatic ones.
 

mizzou

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you could argue someone spraying tons of bullets at people, striking noone, could qualify as a "mass shooting"
 

sdifox

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Confused. You fired a gun, a mass was shot out of the barrel. Thus mass shooting.
 

who?

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Assasination is if the victim is a political figure. I agree with Chris Rock. The Kennedys and MLK were assasinated. "Tupac and Biggie? them two n*****s got shot."
 

Noo

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When I think of a "mass shooting" I think of like 30 people getting shot, not 3 or 4. What do you think? Seems the media sais that if more than one person is even SHOT AT, then its a mass shooting and we should kill the second amendment.
California is all set to pass a new law, as I'm sure you guys are already well aware and discussing elsewhere, that sais if you simply claim someone is dangerous then a judge & police can simply take that person's guns away until they are considered to be safe and sane!
Get into an argument with your wife? WATCH OUT, she will tell on you and have all your gun rights taken away, along with your guns. This is a beautiful law that is perfect for abusing.
A mass shooting is whatever the media say it is. ar15, Galil, G36, Glock, S&W, Remington 870, Ford Model T, & ETC are as far as the majority of the population concern...are AK-47 assault rifles.
 

jpeyton

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A mass shooting is anything that meets the following two requirements:

1) Involves firearms
2) Can be used by CNN to boost ratings
 

Mr. Pedantic

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FBI said:
II. Definition of Serial Murder

In the past thirty years, multiple definitions of serial murder have been used by law enforcement, clinicians, academia, and researchers. While these definitions do share several common themes, they differ on specific requirements, such as the number of murders involved, the types of motivation, and the temporal aspects of the murders. To address these discrepancies, attendees at the Serial Murder Symposium examined the variations in order to develop a single definition for serial murder.

Previous definitions of serial murder specified a certain number of murders, varying from two to ten victims. This quantitative requirement distinguished a serial murder from other categories of murder (i.e. single, double, or triple murder).

Most of the definitions also required a period of time between the murders. This break-in-time was necessary to distinguish between a mass murder and a serial murder. Serial murder required a temporal separation between the different murders, which was described as: separate occasions, cooling-off period, and emotional cooling-off period.

Generally, mass murder was described as a number of murders (four or more) occurring during the same incident, with no distinctive time period between the murders. These events typically involved a single location, where the killer murdered a number of victims in an ongoing incident (e.g. the 1984 San Ysidro McDonalds incident in San Diego, California; the 1991 Luby’s Restaurant massacre in Killeen, Texas; and the 2007 Virginia Tech murders in Blacksburg, Virginia).

There has been at least one attempt to formalize a definition of serial murder through legislation. In 1998, a federal law was passed by the United States Congress, titled: Protection of Children from Sexual Predator Act of 1998 (Title 18, United States Code, Chapter 51, and Section 1111). This law includes a definition of serial killings:

The term ‘serial killings’ means a series of three or more killings, not less than one of which was committed within the United States, having common characteristics such as to suggest the reasonable possibility that the crimes were committed by the same actor or actors.

Although the federal law provides a definition of serial murder, it is limited in its application. The purpose of this definition was to set forth criteria establishing when the FBI could assist local law enforcement agencies with their investigation of serial murder cases. It was not intended to be a generic definition for serial murder.

The Symposium attendees reviewed the previous definitions and extensively discussed the pros and cons of the numerous variations. The consensus of the Symposium attendees was to create a simple but broad definition, designed for use primarily by law enforcement.

One discussion topic focused on the determination of the number of murders that constituted a serial murder. Academicians and researchers were interested in establishing a specific number of murders, to allow clear inclusion criteria for their research on serial killers. However, since the definition was to be utilized by law enforcement, a lower number of victims would allow law enforcement more flexibility in committing resources to a potential serial murder investigation.

Motivation was another central element discussed in various definitions; however, attendees felt motivation did not belong in a general definition, as it would make the definition overly complex.

The validity of spree murder as a separate category was discussed at great length. The general definition of spree murder is two or more murders committed by an offender or offenders, without a cooling-off period. According to the definition, the lack of a cooling-off period marks the difference between a spree murder and a serial murder. Central to the discussion was the definitional problems relating to the concept of a cooling-off period. Because it creates arbitrary guidelines, the confusion surrounding this concept led the majority of attendees to advocate disregarding the use of spree murder as a separate category. The designation does not provide any real benefit for use by law enforcement.

The different discussion groups at the Symposium agreed on a number of similar factors to be included in a definition. These included:

• one or more offenders
• two or more murdered victims
• incidents should be occurring in separate events, at different times
• the time period between murders separates serial murder from mass murder

In combining the various ideas put forth at the Symposium, the following definition was crafted:

Serial Murder: The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1#two

Basically, more than 4 people, with no significant intervening period between deaths, and with all the deaths in the same place.