What punishment should be given to women who make false rape accusations?

[Veliko]

the rape would have a finite time span and then the victim would have to live with the memory of the act. a false accusation would result in untold stress on the victim and his family, massive financial loss (lawyers) and then eventually jail. this would be permanently on his record and affect him for the rest of his life in relationships (record would be online somewhere) as well as job applications.

plus the fact that women who do this make it easier to dismiss any rape claim as "maybe she just made it up".

wat

Could you just confirm which you think is the worse out of these two things:

- Rape
- Falsely accusing someone of rape.

 

[Rakehellion]

did the person you falsely accuse get executed?

Does that change your answer?

 

[TheSiege]

FYI men can be raped too. Please change the title of the thread

 

[NFS4]

wat

Could you just confirm which you think is the worse out of these two things:

- Rape
- Falsely accusing someone of rape.

I consider them to be equally heinous IMHO. To me:

Rape is forcing yourself upon someone against their will out of sheer lust, as a power play, or for your own sick and twisted reasons.

Falsely accusing someone of rape has an added wrinkle though. You know the accusations to be false, you waste public resources to further said claim, and you could send the "attacker" to jail for a number of years and ruin their name, financial position, and job status.

Rape is a physical and emotional attack
A false accusation is an emotional and potentially financial, freedom/liberties, and physical attack if convicted and imprisoned.

 

[Puppies04]

No idea, but your proposition is very flawed.

Rape is a far, far worse crime than falsely accusing someone of rape.

Sorry but if you offered me the choice of being raped or spending the next 20 years in prison (BEING RAPED) I would probably choose the former.

 

[WackyDan]

Rape is a far, far worse crime than falsely accusing someone of rape.

Not when you spend time in jail/prison for that false accusation. Not when that means you have an arrest record that you still have to petition to be sealed. Not when you've lost your job/career over it.

I'm not trying to say rape isn't traumatic and has lasting impact to the victim, but I think I would prefer several minutes of rape versus weeks/months/years in prison and what that does to my life before the false accusation becomes evident.

 

[ImpulsE69]

No idea, but your proposition is very flawed.

Rape is a far, far worse crime than falsely accusing someone of rape.

That is a bit far off the other end really. There's already enough fear of "guilty until proven innocent" that if someone utters "rape" it ruins peoples lives. Rape is bad, but that doesn't make it worse than someone lying about being raped and that person spending time in prison for it (along with all the other negatives that loom over you the rest of your life, even if the accuser reverses their claim).

Problem is, if you punish someone who falsely accused, less people would admit to it...

So..the only real solution to this epidemic is if the women take it like a man and go back to just not telling like in the oldy days.

(i jest i jest)

 

[SMOGZINN]

That is a bit far off the other end really. There's already enough fear of "guilty until proven innocent" that if someone utters "rape" it ruins peoples lives. Rape is bad, but that doesn't make it worse than someone lying about being raped and that person spending time in prison for it (along with all the other negatives that loom over you the rest of your life, even if the accuser reverses their claim).

This is a kind of crazy claim. The only reason that accusations of rape are so bad is because we think that rape is so bad as to justify that treatment. You can't then go and claim that the accusation is worse then the crime.
So, what you are really saying is that rape is not that bad.

 

[ImpulsE69]

This is a kind of crazy claim. The only reason that accusations of rape are so bad is because we think that rape is so bad as to justify that treatment. You can't then go and claim that the accusation is worse then the crime.
So, what you are really saying is that rape is not that bad.

No, not at all. I honestly couldn't say which is worse, or want to even have to decide. I think anyone can get into a pissing match saying one is worse than the other, but that really isn't what I'm getting at. To downplay being falsely accused isn't the answer because it does have impact on a persons life (just like rape).

I think a person sitting in jail for (what was it? 7 years?) would probably think being falsely accused was pretty damn bad. Suppose they executed for it or chopped off your the offending limb? Would it be worse then?

Point is both are wrong AND illegal. Equally or not doesn't matter. The sliding measure though is that you can't punish someone for falsely accusing someone and expect others to follow suit in admission. They simply won't admit it, and the chances of someone sitting in prison for years to be found not guilty (without an admission) are pretty slim.

Of course, I would (hope to) think actual false accusations are few and far between (or was it the rapes...), but according to the Catholic Church they all are false, so you figure it out...

 

[tynopik]

Does that change your answer?

yes

 

[Dumac]

To those of you who see more than the stereotypical male perspective on rape, don't bother arguing here. Anandtech is a den of male bigotry that is quite hostile to outside viewpoints, hence the pathetically low female population on this board (do I even need more than one hand to count the active female members?).

This place is worse than /r/mensrights, which as least makes an effort to look at both sides of the issue and houses some actual feminists. Instead, here we get opinions on matters of sex and gender that are as developed as those of a 12 year old and as emotional and irrational as those of /r/SRS half the time.

I'm sure I'll get some flak for this, but I don't really care. It's the sad truth.

 

[Ruptga]

To those of you who see more than the stereotypical male perspective on rape, don't bother arguing here. Anandtech is a den of male bigotry that is quite hostile to outside viewpoints, hence the pathetically low female population on this board (do I even need more than one hand to count the active female members?).

This place is worse than /r/mensrights, which as least makes an effort to look at both sides of the issue and houses some actual feminists. Instead, here we get opinions on matters of sex and gender that are as developed as those of a 12 year old and as emotional and irrational as those of /r/SRS half the time.

I'm sure I'll get some flak for this, but I don't really care. It's the sad truth.

You make it sound institutionalized, but it's spontaneous. We get idiotic reactions every time a vaguely political thread is created. See also: mcdonald's minimum wage thread, the current Millennials thread, the hobo/anonymous/Albuquerque thread, and every thread touching on religion ever.

The fundamental problem is that most people are fairly stupid and not all that well emotionally-adjusted, so most people have at least one topic that they absolutely cannot approach rationally. At worst they will "contribute" to threads simply to make personal attacks, and they will "read" replies only until they find a word or phrase that they can manipulate into a strawman attack. At best they will refuse to accept facts (or even hypothetical thought experiments) contrary to their biases, and they will make no attempts to see things from opposing or neutral perspectives, let alone integrate new information to form more accurate opinions.

 

[Raduque]

I knew there'd be a internet troll classy enough to say this...

He just said what we're all thinking. :whiste:

 

[Sonikku]

No idea, but your proposition is very flawed.

Rape is a far, far worse crime than falsely accusing someone of rape.

No it isn't. With rape it's over in 10 minutes. With false accusation, it can haunt a man for life.

 

[Ruptga]

No it isn't. With rape it's over in 10 minutes. With false accusation, it can haunt a man for life.

I hope you never experience anything traumatic, particularly because you seem incredibly unequipped to handle it.

Actually, you can't be serious, can you? Obviously the act is often short, but everyone knows that is hardly the extent of the harm. Yes, you must be trolling is all... I need a drink.

 

[mikeford]

All of the rape laws that exist are based from a male centered loss of property value. Until that changes the topic is too elastic to meaningfully discuss.

 

[LevelSea]

False accusation of rape > rape > false conviction of rape

 

[Red Squirrel]

What's sad is the law system will always side with the girl. No evidence is even needed to prove whether or not the guy committed the crime, whether it's rape, abuse, or anything like that. If guys got together and started to fight for guy rights, it would be considered sexist and the protests would be deemed illegal.

 

[NFS4]

How about we look at this from a different angle. Let's talk about the mentality of a person that would commit either crime (committing rape or making a false accusation of rape).

1) What kind of screwed up person thinks that they can force themselves upon a person for their own sexual gratification.

2) What must be going through the mind of a person to make up an elaborate story of rape, and follow through with it towards a conviction, sentencing, and final imprisonment (think Brian Banks).

In the Banks case, the accuser said Banks raped her in a stairway (false). She also sued the school district and WON $1.5 million dollars. He lost his football scholarship and was sent to jail for 6 years. She later was then shown on tape saying that she made it all up.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/rising-football-star-brian-banks-exonerated-rape-case/story?id=16424770

 

[DigDog]

What punishment should be given to women who make false rape accusations?

rape

 

[Veliko]

What's sad is the law system will always side with the girl. No evidence is even needed to prove whether or not the guy committed the crime, whether it's rape, abuse, or anything like that. If guys got together and started to fight for guy rights, it would be considered sexist and the protests would be deemed illegal.

What do you think the rape conviction rate is? I'm telling you now, it's nowhere near 100%.

 

[Fenixgoon]

You have to somehow differentiate between false accusations of rape and unprovable accusations of rape. You can't punish a person because the police can't build a strong enough case to convict.

If they can build a strong enough case that the accusation of rape was false there are already laws in place to handle that.

this. there is an absolutely massive difference.

 

[sportage]

Lets face it, what appears to a woman as rape probably doesn't appear the man as rape.
If a man wants sex and makes that clear, where the woman has no desire, but naturally the man thinks he knows better and he also knows the woman being a typical woman must also want the sex even though she makes it quite clear she does not, so he continues his advances. Leading up to the slap in the face, or struggle, where the line between rape and attempted rape grows pretty thin.

Men can be pretty thick headed where that rape attempt by the man probably seemed like anything but to the man, and that GET OFF ME YOU CREEP moment to the woman.

I seriously doubt faking rape deserves any more attention than the illusion or frequency of vote fraud.

Courts and lawyers have treated women very brutal and assume the woman asked for it.
And the rapist assumes the woman must have wanted it.
Especially from such a stud muffin man as himself.

 

[John Connor]

"What punishment should be given to women who make false rape accusations?"

Rape of course. I believe in punishment fitting the crime.

 

[Broheim]

You have to somehow differentiate between false accusations of rape and unprovable accusations of rape. You can't punish a person because the police can't build a strong enough case to convict.

If they can build a strong enough case that the accusation of rape was false there are already laws in place to handle that.

this, but the punishment for false accusations are laughable at the moment.

filing false police reports should be punished very harshly because not only does it victimize its intended victim but also the victims of the actual crimes and makes a mockery of the justice system. I think a punishment equal to what the false charge would entail is fair.