What P4 Chipset would you use?

[Athlon4all]

I've just been thinking about the upcoming P4 DDR showdown between Intel, VIA, SiS and ALi and while we have yet to see release benchmarks of all these, I'm just wondering what will the rest of you guys choose? I have included 850 and 845 on this poll too. Personally, I think that while Intel's stability can't be questioned, I think that SiS 645 will be perfectly fine, and thus I would take it via it's better performance and cheaper price.

P.S. This is quite a change isn't it? P4 Chipset market is starting to look like the Athlon market does today.

 

[pay]

You mean people still buy P4?

 

[thraxes]

845-DDR all the way

 

[Athlon4all]

<< You mean people still buy P4? >>

Lets not get into that. I'm talking about if u were to go P4. I'm suprised to see that ppl are saying 850. I thinik that until 533fsb comes, there's no point in going 850 when 645+DDR333 outperforms it. But believe me though, once 533fsb comes, I'd take despite the cost, 850e+PC1066 anyday!

 

[JackBurton]

The reason for me going with an i850 chipset is because I follow a little rule, Intel CPU, Intel chipset. The performance of the other chipset would have to be HUGE for me to give up Intel's stability track record. I'll take the safe bet and go with the 850. If someone thinks the alternative is just as stable, be my guest. But like I said, I'll stick with the safe bet.

 

[rip22]

But lets say if you can get the SiS 645 DDR running at the same FSB 133x4 then its still open i think. Currently its only running at a 4x100 FSB if im not totally wrong.

Thats why i said earlier it would be intresting to see the P4 with 133x4 FSB (533Mhz) PC1066 DRdram vs 133x4 (533Mhz)DDRam PC2700.

 

[DN]

<< You mean people still buy P4? >>



People who REQUIRE nothing but stability do.. It's not all about frames per second to some people or a minute increase in price..

To answer the other person's question, I'm going with the P4 Northwood / RDRAM route.. As someone else said, I have this rule, Intel CPU, Intel chipset..

 

[Linux23]

<< I've just been thinking about the upcoming P4 DDR showdown between Intel, VIA, SiS and ALi and while we have yet to see release benchmarks of all these, I'm just wondering what will the rest of you guys choose? I have included 850 and 845 on this poll too. Personally, I think that while Intel's stability can't be questioned, I think that SiS 645 will be perfectly fine, and thus I would take it via it's better performance and cheaper price.

P.S. This is quite a change isn't it? P4 Chipset market is starting to look like the Athlon market does today. >>




but if you buy a P4, you're gonna have to change your name to PIV4all.

 

[thermite88]

<< You mean people still buy P4? >>

Yes, until AMD comes to its senses and will implement thermal protection on their CPU and the MB manufacturer will support on-die thermal diode.

 

[oldfart]

845-B or 850 depending on price of Rambus Vs DDR when I bought it. I like the stability of Intel's chipsets.

 

[KpocAlypse]

Shoot when i first started to play around with the new 1.7 with the 850, i was very impressed...It "feels" like it would stomp my 1.2 o/c to 1.4 celly into the ground....(and no thats not my pocketbook talking, i accually paid less for my p4 setup..)

However, i'd still like to see how the 845-b stacks up against the 850. (with 100 bus) Sis is another like like to see, but i'm not gonna touch the VIA with a 120 foot pole....

 

[AGodspeed]

Yes, until AMD comes to its senses and will implement thermal protection on their CPU and the MB manufacturer will support on-die thermal diode.

Haha, the worst argument in existence (no offense). If you're afraid of the 1 in a million chance of your heatsink falling off, then you deserve to pay more for a P4, I certainly won't.

It's not all about frames per second to some people or a minute increase in price...

If only that were the case, I would have built me a nice solid P4 system a looooong time ago. But an 1800+ processor is $210 shipped at Newegg, while the slower 2GHz P4 is $442 shipped at Newegg. Don't know about you, but $232 isn't exactly "minute" to me. Call me crazy, but I just don't see the attraction to a P4 right now, does anyone else?

As for Northwood, I'd love to get my hands on one of those babies, but it looks like they're still gonna be around $400 (and the sad part is, that's after the "rumored" price break on January 27th. And it's even sader that it's the 2GHz part, and not the 2.2GHz Northwood).

However, I'd say that i845-B is looking like a winner. Even though it's slower than a SiS645 board (from the benchs I've seen so far), the difference is very small, and Intel is known for reliable chipsets. The only thing they have to work on now is the price of their processors.

 

[Texmaster]

<< You mean people still buy P4? >>




I just saw your rig *snicker*

You should be last to say anything

 

[Texmaster]

<< Haha, the worst argument in existence (no offense). If you're afraid of the 1 in a million chance of your heatsink falling off, then you deserve to pay more for a P4, I certainly won't. >>



Haha the worse defense in existence (no offense). If you believe the only way for a cpu to overheat is with the heatsink falling off then you deserve to pay less for for an AMD

Don't rip people with such a weak argument. Doesn't make you look very smart.



<< If only that were the case, I would have built me a nice solid P4 system a looooong time ago. But an 1800+ processor is $210 shipped at Newegg, while the slower 2GHz P4 is $442 shipped at Newegg. Don't know about you, but $232 isn't exactly "minute" to me. Call me crazy, but I just don't see the attraction to a P4 right now, does anyone else? >>



I know it will work when I get it. I know if I have a problem they will fix it.

Thats enough for me



<< As for Northwood, I'd love to get my hands on one of those babies, but it looks like they're still gonna be around $400 (and the sad part is, that's after the "rumored" price break on January 27th. And it's even sader that it's the 2GHz part, and not the 2.2GHz Northwood). >>



So you have a price problem. The world will open up to you when you discover not everyone has that one objective when they buy a computer.

 

[Texmaster]

<< The reason for me going with an i850 chipset is because I follow a little rule, Intel CPU, Intel chipset. The performance of the other chipset would have to be HUGE for me to give up Intel's stability track record. I'll take the safe bet and go with the 850. If someone thinks the alternative is just as stable, be my guest. But like I said, I'll stick with the safe bet. >>



Exactly

 

[AMDPwred]

I'd vote but I don't know which chipset is in the Dell. My Dell from work has a P4 that is super fast and stable. Anybody know the chipset used?

As for the Intel vs AMD argument, I'd get a P4 before an AMD anyday. I just can't fit the bill. That's the sole reason I'm running AMD.

 

[damocles]

i850 because I'm hoping for PC1066 support on current board

Let's NOT turn this into a flame war guys, If you want a thread to crap in start your own!!

 

[Diable]

<< Yes, until AMD comes to its senses and will implement thermal protection on their CPU and the MB manufacturer will support on-die thermal diode.

Haha, the worst argument in existence (no offense). If you're afraid of the 1 in a million chance of your heatsink falling off, then you deserve to pay more for a P4, I certainly won't.

It's not all about frames per second to some people or a minute increase in price...

If only that were the case, I would have built me a nice solid P4 system a looooong time ago. But an 1800+ processor is $210 shipped at Newegg, while the slower 2GHz P4 is $442 shipped at Newegg. Don't know about you, but $232 isn't exactly "minute" to me. Call me crazy, but I just don't see the attraction to a P4 right now, does anyone else? >>



I do. I've built myself two P4 boxes lately(one i850 based the other i845)and couldn't be happier with them. Not everyone lives by the "price vs performance" rule so that $232 is minute to me.

 

[Sid03]

<< Let's NOT turn this into a flame war guys, If you want a thread to crap in start your own!! >>

Well said!

Back to the question at hand, either the i850 or i845-DDR would be excellent suggestions. The fact that the SiS chipset outperforms the Intel solutions (barely) in a couple benchmarks is insignificant compared to the known reliability of Intel's chipsets (and the unproven SiS chipset).

 

[Pabster]

Oh, Christ, another Intel vs AMD flame shoot. Get off it, people. Don't you see "P4" in the thread title? Where is AMD mentioned?

As for which chipset? I've already chosen -- SiS 645. I've been 100% satisfied with the performance of my P4S5A, using PC2100. I haven't tried PC2700 (yet) but I don't see any reason to spend $50 to $100 more on an Intel solution. We can argue about quality and stability, but its a moot point. SiS has really made a comeback, and if you want to spend an extra couple hundred bucks for equal (or in many cases less performance) go right ahead with your 850+PC800 RDRAM solution. No thanks

 

[Pabster]

Sid03 wrote:

"...The fact that the SiS chipset outperforms the Intel solutions (barely) in a couple benchmarks is insignificant..."

I disagree. Certainly there isn't a huge performance difference -- it's much akin to SiS 735 vs KT266A in the Athlon arena -- most of the difference will be seen only by a few points in various benchmarks.

What's remarkable about SiS 645? That they came out of nowhere with a chipset that is not only officially "sanctioned" by Intel (read: royalties paid by SiS), but outperforms Intel's best -- both i850 and even i845-D. Considering Intel manufactures the processors, wouldn't it be logical that their chipset solutions would offer the best performance? Clearly that isn't the case.

Similiarly, when SiS 735 burst on to the scene, it ran away with the performance crown over the venerable AMD760 solutions. I think it's pretty significant that SiS' managed to outperform the CPU manufacturers' best chipsets -- with chipsets costing less and offering more bang for your buck. Why wouldn't you agree?

EDIT: Of course, to be fair, SiS also ran all over VIA's solutions. In the Athlon arena, KT266 was no match for SiS 735. And even KT266A can offer no real world performance advantage. Similiarly, SiS 645 walked over P4X266.

 

[Sid03]

<< Why wouldn't you agree?

<< Because it's a known fact that the Intel chipsets are quality, through and through. You'd never have to worry about their reliability. Yet you see every day, people complaining about problems with their SiS735's. Now, I don't know if this is a motherboard thing, a chipset thing, isolated to Socket A only.... etc. But I do know that the Intel chipsets will be stable. So, what's the point in choosing anything else? To save a few bucks, to get an extra .8 frames per second, or to open Word faster by a millisecond?

No thanks, I'll stick with the tried and true.

 

[AGodspeed]

Lol at Texmaster!

EDIT: To prevent another flame war, I will quickly take this to pm land.

 

[Athlon4all]

<< but if you buy a P4, you're gonna have to change your name to PIV4all. >>

lol. Nope, I won't be getting a new PC any time soon, just seeing what ppl think.

I'm suprised at the number of people willing to go 850. Here's what I think. On 400fsb, SiS 645 like I said will be my choice because it outperforms 850, but when 533fsb comes then, I would take 850 in a heart beat because I despite what people have said, am very doubtful about PC2700 being able to compete with PC1066 on a 533fsb platform. PC2700 on that platform would probably be similar to what P4X266 and 845-B are to 850 today, and if SiS 645 weren't existant, I would take 850 even now, my point being that unless a DDR chipset outperforms the 850 RDRAM solution, you'll see me going RDRAM because unless price's change greatly next year (it is possible) the cost isn't thaty big when RDRAM is compared to DDR, so we'll see. That's my take on the 533 vs. 400fsb issue.

 

[microAmp]

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<< You mean people still buy P4? >>



People who REQUIRE nothing but stability do.. It's not all about frames per second to some people or a minute increase in price..

To answer the other person's question, I'm going with the P4 Northwood / RDRAM route.. As someone else said, I have this rule, Intel CPU, Intel chipset.. >>


I do require stability and my Athlon does just as a good job as a P4.