What, no thread about Stadia in this subforum? (Cloud gaming - Read Dead Redemption 2 joined at Nov launch)

[DeathReborn]

Who knew asking people to re-buy games to play them on a subscription service wouldn't be a surefire hit.

 

[aigomorla]

streaming game service just does not work.
i do not know why the insist on trying to push it.
Unless everyone is on a fiber connection, with extremely low latency, its trying hard to supercharge a yugo so it can take on a porsche.

 

[Aikouka]

streaming game service just does not work.
i do not know why the insist on trying to push it.
Unless everyone is on a fiber connection, with extremely low latency, its trying hard to supercharge a yugo so it can take on a porsche.

But I don't think it's trying to cater to a crowd that's going to care as much about latency. This is meant for the person that doesn't want to worry about having to buy the latest console or the latest PC hardware, and they just want to fire up their game whenever and wherever (they have Internet access).

The problem is that Stadia doesn't really offer a compelling reason to use their service. Games purchased on Stadia are locked to that ecosystem, which means that if you eventually decide to get your own PC, you cannot directly use any of your games. Also, Stadia came out the gate with numerous promises of features -- a typical Google move -- and I believe only one of them has been announced as truly coming soon. (I think it was the ability to share a save state so others can try it?)

I think a real kicker is that GeForce Now just offers a far more compelling service than Stadia. Sure, it doesn't have any of Stadia's fancy features that they touted (and neither does Stadia! ), but it does allow you to play games that you own on existing platforms.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

streaming game service just does not work.
i do not know why the insist on trying to push it.
Unless everyone is on a fiber connection, with extremely low latency, its trying hard to supercharge a yugo so it can take on a porsche.

But I don't think it's trying to cater to a crowd that's going to care as much about latency. This is meant for the person that doesn't want to worry about having to buy the latest console or the latest PC hardware, and they just want to fire up their game whenever and wherever (they have Internet access).

The problem is that Stadia doesn't really offer a compelling reason to use their service. Games purchased on Stadia are locked to that ecosystem, which means that if you eventually decide to get your own PC, you cannot directly use any of your games. Also, Stadia came out the gate with numerous promises of features -- a typical Google move -- and I believe only one of them has been announced as truly coming soon. (I think it was the ability to share a save state so others can try it?)

I think a real kicker is that GeForce Now just offers a far more compelling service than Stadia. Sure, it doesn't have any of Stadia's fancy features that they touted (and neither does Stadia! ), but it does allow you to play games that you own on existing platforms.

It is about recurring revenue for Google or Amazon or nVidia or whomever. That is the main driver, regular monthly income. No feast and famine game development.
I read something interesting about amazon lumberyard and I assume it applies to google. Making games is a brutal business of mandatory overtime, crunch goals and do this or else type stuff.
Tech companies want to manage in a collaborative way, this does not work well with game development. Everyone's opinion is not equal in game development.

 

[francisbaud]

As I've said on other places, the ~100-150ms input lag inherent of cloud gaming is really a problem imo, and there's not way to actually improve it significantly (other than changing the speed of light).

 

[PingSpike]

streaming game service just does not work.
i do not know why the insist on trying to push it.
Unless everyone is on a fiber connection, with extremely low latency, its trying hard to supercharge a yugo so it can take on a porsche.

Most modern tech is all about taking what we had before and then renting it to people instead. Game streaming is the ultimate DRM, you can even disappear old titles so people can't play them anymore. So I doubt anyone will give up trying to make that golden goose.

Hardware is getting more expensive at the moment...but Internet data caps and generally shit internet throughout the USA mean this stuff is always going to be trying to ram a square peg through a round hole.

I still think a rent to own console would actually take the one tiny niche appeal these things have away from them.

 

[aigomorla]

I still think a rent to own console would actually take the one tiny niche appeal these things have away from them.

i think blockbuster used to do this a long time ago when they actually existed.

 

[PingSpike]

i think blockbuster used to do this a long time ago when they actually existed.

I'm just barely old enough to remember my parents renting a VCR.

Actually, I believe I rented a console later for the same reason. I wanted to try it out for a bit before committing the full price.

Although I could what I was thinking of was more a console payment plan.

 

[Aikouka]

i think blockbuster used to do this a long time ago when they actually existed.

I recall having rented a 32X and Knuckle's Chaotix.

 

[quikah]

I still think a rent to own console would actually take the one tiny niche appeal these things have away from them.

MS already does this. $35/month for Xbox Series X + Gamepass Ultimate for 2yrs. $25 for Series S.

 

[ultimatebob]

Stadia's march to failure continues on schedule:

https://www.engadget.com/stadia-product-head-john-justice-leaves-google-121048599.html

 

[paperfist]

Stadia's march to failure continues on schedule:

https://www.engadget.com/stadia-product-head-john-justice-leaves-google-121048599.html

proof that money can’t buy you happiness lol

I tried it for a bit and liked it, but the lack of games not social elements killed it for me which is funny because it’s the opposite for the Epic store. No social elements makes it pale compared to Steam.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Everything about Stadia is confusing. There are no simple answers available. Even something simple like how much does it cost and what benefit does that have over free?
Months ago I wanted to check out the humankind beta test thing. Zero info where or what to sign up for to try humankind out.
Got frustrated and gave up.

 

[paperfist]

Everything about Stadia is confusing. There are no simple answers available. Even something simple like how much does it cost and what benefit does that have over free?
Months ago I wanted to check out the humankind beta test thing. Zero info where or what to sign up for to try humankind out.
Got frustrated and gave up.

good thing you didn’t try humankind you would have gotten even more frustrated! If that game is going to take Civilizations crown it’s got a ways to go!

 

[ultimatebob]

The exodus of talent from the Stadia project continues:

https://www.engadget.com/microsoft-kim-swift-portal-xbox-game-studios-cloud-gaming-192625562.html

How much longer are we giving this Google project before it gets shuttered? 18 months?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The exodus of talent from the Stadia project continues:

https://www.engadget.com/microsoft-kim-swift-portal-xbox-game-studios-cloud-gaming-192625562.html

How much longer are we giving this Google project before it gets shuttered? 18 months?

that is a good over/under number.
I say over with reduced staff, more automation and fewer games. Think simp,e community made flash type games. This cuts costs.
I agree it will ultimately die. Nobody uses this, nobody is interested in it, nobody knows it exists.

 

[ultimatebob]

that is a good over/under number.
I say over with reduced staff, more automation and fewer games. Think simp,e community made flash type games. This cuts costs.
I agree it will ultimately die. Nobody uses this, nobody is interested in it, nobody knows it exists.

I gave them 18 months, since they don't seem to be giving up on it immediately. For example, they just pushed the Stadia app to Google TV. If the gaming experience there is as bad as it is on a PC (and I would expect it to be even worse thanks to a Wi-Fi connection and slower hardware in the SmartTV), I'd expect that it be a total flop.

 

[Stuka87]

I gave them 18 months, since they don't seem to be giving up on it immediately. For example, they just pushed the Stadia app to Google TV. If the gaming experience there is as bad as it is on a PC (and I would expect it to be even worse thanks to a Wi-Fi connection and slower hardware in the SmartTV), I'd expect that it be a total flop.

Yeah, but the googleTV app was pretty delayed as I recall. It almost seems like a "here, its done enough, just release" thing to me.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

What a thread. Love that it starts in October 2019 and basically everyone is like "this thing is going to be dead in two years" and here we are, right one schedule.

What are the odds Stadia will even limp on to October 2021 resembling it's original promise of high end streaming PC gaming at all...

 

[BFG10K]

It was dead before it even started. They were demo'ing it but refused to let the testers check the ping time. Chances are they were running the thing on a LAN or even locally. Then when it went live, that pesky thing called the speed of light became an issue.

"Actual results may vary based on ISP and region", kai thx bhai.

 

[ultimatebob]

Yeah, but the googleTV app was pretty delayed as I recall. It almost seems like a "here, its done enough, just release" thing to me.

Yeah, they probably realized that they still can't beat the laws of physics and decided to ship it in a mediocre state just to get it out the door. It was time to stop wasting development costs on it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

More news, more titles added.

Stadia launch game line-up rises to 22 less than a day before its big release

Good news for Google Stadia fans this morning, as the number of launch games planned for the service has almost doubled overnight.

www.rockpapershotgun.com

I’m sort of tired. Did I read this correctly?
You need to buy the games on stadia not subscribe and have a library to play?

That’s a tough proposition to me, if I want to play a game on the TV I still need to deal with streaming my game to my PC?
I lose the game when stadia decides to close or not update?

This thing is going to fail, far too complicated to even find out what the cost is.
Why would anyone pay $10 per month if you still need to buy the games “like any other storefront”
What is the benefit of the $10 per month package vs the free package?
Is it for better resolution? If so that’s incredibly irritating

Google’s Stadia cloud gaming service is coming November 19th: Everything you need to know

You can still preorder a Premiere Edition to play shortly after launch

www.theverge.com

Edit:
Appears the $10 per month gets you zero games, likely some promotional ones at launch but that’s it.
$10 will get you 4K & 5.1 audio steaming.
$10 per month may get you one game per month but I’ll bet the selection will be super limited. I can’t imagine they’d let me spend $10 for one month, chooses RDR2 then continue to play Red Dead forever at 1080P.
You will need a special chrome cast at launch to play on your TV.

This service is destined to fail. I see no reason for it to exist in its current form.

Hey pre-pandemic me.
Yup the service is still overly confusing, unadvertised and cost structure is still difficult to find.

Edit: at least the clarified free game(s) per month I assume this means at least one for Stadia pro. Still sort of confusing.
Here are some of the free choices. Pretty weak IMO

 

[paperfist]

Is Xbox game pass similar to Stadia? If I read it correctly for $9/month I can play game 1 day PC games on my PC with it. Like Humankind will be on it and instead of blowing $60 on something that's supposed to be a Civ killer and might not be I can try it out. Any resolution restrictions?

 

[aigomorla]

Is Xbox game pass similar to Stadia? If I read it correctly for $9/month I can play game 1 day PC games on my PC with it. Like Humankind will be on it and instead of blowing $60 on something that's supposed to be a Civ killer and might not be I can try it out. Any resolution restrictions?

id say its more like EA Play, then Stadia.
You still need to buy the game for Stadia, while xbox pass and EA play is a subcription based model for access to the library.

Make sure you verify the game will be available on the subscription tho.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Is Xbox game pass similar to Stadia? If I read it correctly for $9/month I can play game 1 day PC games on my PC with it. Like Humankind will be on it and instead of blowing $60 on something that's supposed to be a Civ killer and might not be I can try it out. Any resolution restrictions?

Steam returns are really simple however this type game may take more than two hours to know.