What motivates Hillary's supporters?!!

Coldkilla

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There is just this growing list on things I cannot stand about her... Just a few from the top of my head, and some links that I quickly found on the net supporting the claims:

-Takes fed lobbyist/PAK money and thinks she can "fight the special interests and lobbyists" once she gets into the white house? So she thinks she can take their money and allow them to have no influence in her white house? Oh please...

-Lies about being under sniper fire when obviously there was no threat, then tries to sway the media by using terms such as "misspoke" and going on talk shows and making fun of the account so it doesn't get nearly as much attention..

-Exaggerates her role in foreign and domestic policy-making on numerous occasions, the one that comes to mind is NAFTA.. and her numerous attended meetings in helping it pass.

-Doesn't even bother to release tax returns, since (I believe) 2001. (Update: She finally released everything through 2006. I don't count 2007 because they "summarized it" but did not release anything official.

-Lies about promises Richardson supposedly made them for endorsement.. Proven false.
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CNN: Video

-Took money from a fugitive fund raiser, can't remember his name. Taking his money after she was warned that he was crooked. Taking money from hundreds of thousands of doners obviously is not 'scannable' but first being told "this guy is a fugitive fund raiser" then then decides after the fact to not denounce his contribution. If she did repudiate it recently, well it took long enough..

-Apparently doesn't believe in transparency in government, makes deals and creates legislation behind closed doors, doesn't even listen to republicans and/or people who disagree by disallowing them into the closed door sessions..

-Credit Card Interest Cap @ 25%: Hillary Voted for the first version "hoping it wouldn't pass"? What? I can't believe that, maybe theres something I'm missing in this bullet point.

-Gives speeches on peoples experiences she exaggerates (not accurately portraying people)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...on.hospital/index.html

-And I saw her getting emotional again over the MLK anniversary.. Its like not tearing up has helped her win before...cmon. This bullet point is a touchy subject since it was MLK after all... but the politics of crying in public has truely worked out in the past.. Making the voters change their minds and flock back over to her side..

I'm sure theres MORE, but most of this stuff came from the top of my head. I just did quick searches to back up these statements.. But cmon! But it seems like she gets emotional when shes losing ground in order to gain support, exagerates her stories to more strongly get her points accross and/or appeal like to stronger candidate. Meanwhile not allowing her policy making in numerous occasions not transparent to the American people. It seems like she's not just playing politics with politicians, but with the American people. And the American people are just blindly ignoring it...
 

Farang

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It begins with the first word and doesn't stop..

"Theres"
"lobbiest/pak"
"take there money"
"trys"


With that said, I agree with you.
 

Dari

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Her support comes mainly from women and emasculated men. It also comes from the gullible who believes her "experience" lies.

Third, she's the Ice Queen that will take our collective balls and squeeze, thereby turning real men into emasculated men.
 

Coldkilla

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Is it because the term "Clinton" is a household name and nothing more?

No offense to the older AT users in here, but it also could because the older generations aren't as "net savvy" and because of this don't ask the hard questions. I mean the generational gap between those who vote for her and those who don't are staggering. If I had to say I think its somewhere like:

Voting for Hillary:
Older People: 80%
Younger People: 20%

Voting for Obama:
Older People: 20%
Younger People: 80%

^^^^ Thats purely unscientific, those are just (very rough sketch) numbers I remember a few weeks ago.
 

Phokus

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I bet a good number of them are stealth republicans who want to demolish the democratic party by supporting hillary ;)
 

AnnonUSA

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Gender!
Stupidity.
Ignorance.
and a Failure to see the coming socialism.
 

Lemon law

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That question somewhat on the face of it is the thread by Hillary haters----Why does she even have support.

You hate her, you think she does not have a single redeeming virtue, and you can't understand why she has millions of supporters. When the fact is that its you people who don't have a clue and never will because your minds are totally closed.

On balance, I will probably vote for Obama but I try not to let hate FOG MY MIND. I don't hate McCain either and I try to understand what he is saying.
 

punchkin

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I think part of it is people feeling that Obama is not all that compelling, choosing Hillary, and afterwards becoming wholehearted supporters because that's what party members tend to do, get behind their candidates. If I had to choose between Clinton and Obama, it'd be a tossup.

Either way, I think we'll get a passably competent Democratic candidate who will be somewhat afraid to rock the boat in a huge way if elected, and will break either the race or gender barrier for the presidency even if not elected, a good thing either way. In fact I believe these barriers may be effectively broken just by virtue of the fact that both candidates have received so much support in the primaries.
 

punchkin

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Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Is it because the term "Clinton" is a household name and nothing more?

No offense to the older AT users in here, but it also could because the older generations aren't as "net savvy" and because of this don't ask the hard questions. I mean the generational gap between those who vote for her and those who don't are staggering. If I had to say I think its somewhere like:

Voting for Hillary:
Older People: 80%
Younger People: 20%

Voting for Obama:
Older People: 20%
Younger People: 80%

^^^^ Thats purely unscientific, those are just (very rough sketch) numbers I remember a few weeks ago.

Hmm, unscientific indeed. Are these the numbers for blacks or the general population you're pulling out of your noodle?
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
Gender!
Stupidity.
Ignorance.
and a Failure to see the coming socialism.


Please tell me you're not an obamabot.

 

Moonbeam

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In ordinary times Hillary, for all her flaws, would be an excellent choice. But there's a might tide of change that's rising and Obama is it's crest. Human consciousness is evolving even though many still have their hands on the vine.
 

ZebuluniteV

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
That question somewhat on the face of it is the thread by Hillary haters----Why does she even have support.

You hate her, you think she does not have a single redeeming virtue, and you can't understand why she has millions of supporters. When the fact is that its you people who don't have a clue and never will because your minds are totally closed.

On balance, I will probably vote for Obama but I try not to let hate FOG MY MIND. I don't hate McCain either and I try to understand what he is saying.

I certainly agree there. I voted for Obama in the Illinois primaries, and prefer him overall, but don't think Clinton is some extremist evil cold bitch (among other choice terms I've seen Hillary haters here use).
 

Drakkon

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My dad listens to limbaugh and various other conservative shows and its clear that they have a fanatical base that is registering dem since mccain took the nom to get Hilary as a candidate. What would turn out the republican-ultra-conservative vote than a clinton on the ballot?
 

Duwelon

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I can see how both Hillary and Obama have support: Collective Blindness and indoctrination from the liberal saturated schools and media.
 

jpeyton

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If the March fund raising numbers are any clue, not even Hillary motivates her supporters anymore.
 

Coldkilla

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Originally posted by: punchkin
Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Is it because the term "Clinton" is a household name and nothing more?

No offense to the older AT users in here, but it also could because the older generations aren't as "net savvy" and because of this don't ask the hard questions. I mean the generational gap between those who vote for her and those who don't are staggering. If I had to say I think its somewhere like:

Voting for Hillary:
Older People: 80%
Younger People: 20%

Voting for Obama:
Older People: 20%
Younger People: 80%

^^^^ Thats purely unscientific, those are just (very rough sketch) numbers I remember a few weeks ago.

Hmm, unscientific indeed. Are these the numbers for blacks or the general population you're pulling out of your noodle?



http://politicalticker.blogs.c...olls-age-gap-persists/

Graphs for Wisconsin as example:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20.../results/epolls/#WIDEM

Age: 18-24
Obama: 73%
Hillary: 26%

Age: 65 or Over
Obama: 41%
Hillary: 58%

This is just Wisconsin, I don't have the time to post all the other states. ;)

There IS a generational gap and its huge. And to prove it isn't "younger people are stupid", here's some information about college graduates:

Wisconsin:
College graduates: 42% of the state:
Hillary: 39%
Obama: 60%

Post Graduate Study:
Hillary: 36%
Obama: 61%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226015/
 

Fern

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What motivates Hillary's supporters?!!

Firstly, I think she appeals to the "angry" types. The ones who want to "fight" etc. She's tapping into the anger many feel about the current situation. It seems a natural "fit" for her, she's been doing since Bill's bimbo problems and her railing against the "vast right-wing conspiracy".

Then there are the feminist type.

Finally, I think that the older Dems have a mistrtust of Obama. Perhaps because he's Black (mixed race really), perhaps because he's unknown or they think him inexperienced.

Fern
 

CallMeJoe

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To quote Mr. Lincoln, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time..."
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
I can see how both Hillary and Obama have support: Collective Blindness and indoctrination from the liberal saturated schools and media.

Yes I see, us liberal liberals liberals are brainwashed and you are not.

Question Duwelon, are you better off than you were eight years ago?
 

nageov3t

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call my a cynic, I just don't buy the ether that Obama's selling when there's so little reality to match the words.
 

Lemon law

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Now Loki8481 come back with---call my a cynic, I just don't buy the ether that Obama's selling when there's so little reality to match the words.
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Even cynics have to decide if they were better off eight years ago than they are now!

Believe me, I will be the last person to call you wise or a correct predictor of the future, but come November you will have just two basic choices, Vote McCain or vote for the winner of the democratic primary. Just two choices, how hard is that?

Your red Herrings are not a currency as you too duck that eight year question.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Now Loki8481 come back with---call my a cynic, I just don't buy the ether that Obama's selling when there's so little reality to match the words.
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Even cynics have to decide if they were better off eight years ago than they are now!

Believe me, I will be the last person to call you wise or a correct predictor of the future, but come November you will have just two basic choices, Vote McCain or vote for the winner of the democratic primary. Just two choices, how hard is that?

Your red Herrings are not a currency as you too duck that eight year question.

what does any of that have to do with Obama or Hillary, though? you know, the topic of this thread ;)

my vote isn't set in stone, Obama just hasn't convinced me yet. but I don't tie McCain down to Bush's disastrous domestic agenda. I'll be voting for the person, not the party.
 

Duwelon

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: Duwelon
I can see how both Hillary and Obama have support: Collective Blindness and indoctrination from the liberal saturated schools and media.

Yes I see, us liberal liberals liberals are brainwashed and you are not.

Question Duwelon, are you better off than you were eight years ago?

I'm a lot better off. My income has doubled. I'm older, wiser, etc. I have an optimistic outlook unless Obama or Hillary get elected and bring the failed policies of socialist europe or the USSR here.