What modern Liberalism has come to...

[jonks]

my comments in bold

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I want to point out a few observations based on reading these forums for awhile as well as the news. If you consider yourself a liberal and don't agree at all with some of these, please post why if you care to forgoe the standard intellectually dishonest ad-h attacks and diversions like (well you believe...).

1) The liberal left on here finds anything bad for America as news. A bunch of marines die and they fall over themselves to post about it. They are addicted to bad news. Any enemy of the USA that comes out and speaks against us, the Liberal left give them all the audience they could ever want. This isn't all bad in itself, but it does speak to their world view. To the liberal left, the USA can do little good and anything good about the USA is not worth talking about to anyone or anytime.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377044,00.html

2) The liberal left wants to give up their freedom of healthcare choices. Instead of having the freedom to go out, get a job, get whatever healthcare they want, the liberal left wants to give the responsibility (read: POWER) to the federal government. They'll happily hand over rights and responsibilty in exchange for tax funded healthcare. In a perfect world, I agree, but people are lazy and a lot more freedoms will be lost to control the general health of the average american to support the system.

Yep, 40+ million americans choose to not have healthcare...

3) The liberal left wants to give up the freedom of education. School vouchers? No way! The liberal left wants all children indoctrinated in failing liberal schools that they have control over. Nevermind the results of private schools or home schooling, they don't indoctrinate the kids into their atheistic and panthesistic point of view enough so they are completely willing to forgoe this freedom.

wtf is freedom of education?

4) The liberal left doesn't want the rule of law. They want illegal immigration in droves because the people that immigrate are poor and easily controlled with federal handouts. They want the war of drugs destroyed because it attempts to bring minorities and slums out of the doldrums by prosecuting crimes that destroy lives and make people dependant on a substance instead of independent from even the state.

a) you describe McCain's take on immigration here
b) the war on drugs is a colossal failure and misallocation of resources from every possible angle, and defending it is a fools errand

5) The liberal left wants to take pseudo science of climate change, call it settled law and enact legislature that will control every aspect of our lives from light bulbs to cars to homes.

The left wants to be proactive wrt the environment instead of waiting until the events in The Day After Tomorrow actually happen. The right wants to teach the non-science of ID in biology class rooms.

It's going to be a dark day in America if Obama gets elected and signs into law every piece of trash legislature that comes to his desk that advances the liberal agenda.

After the last 8 years, folks like you have serious balls to say that anything the next president does could lead to a dark day. Look outside, it's fucking night.

And if I may respond to another post using someone else's post:

Originally posted by: blackangst1
The OP is 100% factual.

Originally posted by: Genx87
/face palm

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Vic
One-sided troll thread.

1) The conservative right ignores every criticism in favor of the status quo.

2) The conservative right wants to give up freedom in favor of security. They'll happily hand over all their rights and responsibility (read: POWER) to be protected from the things that go bump in the night. And they'll pay trillions of dollars in tax dollars for the favor.

3) The conservative right wants to eliminate separation of church and state and force the indoctrination of their religious views in the public schools, particularly their creation myths in the science classrooms.

4) The conservative right doesn't want the rule of law or respect the Constitution, but instead favor elimination of the 4th and 5th amendments in the name of easy 'law and order' criminal prosecutions.

5) The conservative rights wants to ignore expert scientific consensus in favor of excessive pollution and wasteful consumption.

There are 2 sides to every issue. The darkest day in America is when we forget that. Because the fact is that all of these issues are relatively meaningless compared to the issue that we are a nation bitterly divided, and hacks like the OP serve no other agenda but to further that divide, and thus weaken our nation.

/ of silly thread

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

The OP is 100% factual.

Originally posted by: Duwelon

To the liberal left, the USA can do little good and anything good about the USA is not worth talking about to anyone or anytime.

The liberal left wants all children indoctrinated in failing liberal schools that they have control over. Nevermind the results of private schools or home schooling, they don't indoctrinate the kids into their atheistic and panthesistic point of view enough so they are completely willing to forgoe this freedom.

They want the war of drugs destroyed because it attempts to bring minorities and slums out of the doldrums by prosecuting crimes that destroy lives and make people dependant on a substance instead of independent from even the state.

The liberal left wants to take pseudo science of climate change, call it settled law and enact legislature that will control every aspect of our lives from light bulbs to cars to homes.

Hey man, I normally find you pretty reasonable. The only thing I can think of is that someone else has taken over your computer or something, because to call the OP 100% factual is simply batshit crazy. I searched long and hard through that post and I found only one or two things that could be called 'facts' even if I gave it the most generous possible definition.

The topic of the thread is incoherent rambling from someone against a caricatured idea of the 'liberal left' that doesn't exist. He displays a near total ignorance of what he's talking about and litters his post with blatant and hilariously false distortions.

His post is so bad that even Genx87, hardly a bastion of liberalism, is trashing him.

EDIT: Edited for quote clarity

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: jonks

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377044,00.html

Yeah...the "but they do it too!" argument is soooo convincing :roll:

Originally posted by: jonks

Yep, 40+ million americans choose to not have healthcare...

He didnt say all, but certainly some do. What percentage? Some say alot, some say a little...there's no quantifiable evidance either way, so whatever answer feeeeels good to you is correct. Certainly there are some who have no choice, and in most cases if thats the case they already have health care. But should someone unempoyed but employable have the same healthcare options someone who works at a Fortune 500 has? Fuck no. You cant have all or nothing here. And those who cant get for themselves for whatever reason qualify for probably every tax funded health care funds available.

Originally posted by: jonks

wtf is freedom of education?

He explained it. If you aint intelagint enuf to understand, that yer problim.

Originally posted by: jonks

a) you describe McCain's take on immigration here
b) the war on drugs is a colossal failure and misallocation of resources from every possible angle, and defending it is a fools errand

Again, alot of people say the WOD is a failare. But you know what? We really dont know do we? Can we honestly know what the illegal drug trade would look like had we not put into place what we have? No. Do I think it's an efficient program? meh. Some of it is but like every government program, it's poorly run. but to say it's a failure is bullshit.

Originally posted by: jonks

The left wants to be proactive wrt the environment instead of waiting until the events in The Day After Tomorrow actually happen. The right wants to teach the non-science of ID in biology class rooms.

As a general rule, yeah. But your comment about the right and teaching "the non-science of ID in biology class rooms" is a fucking pot shot that has NOTHING to do with the comment. At all. You might as well end your sentence with "Turkey is the most popular meat on Thanksgiving". It would have been just as relevant.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: jonks

a) you describe McCain's take on immigration here
b) the war on drugs is a colossal failure and misallocation of resources from every possible angle, and defending it is a fools errand

Again, alot of people say the WOD is a failare. But you know what? We really dont know do we? Can we honestly know what the illegal drug trade would look like had we not put into place what we have? No. Do I think it's an efficient program? meh. Some of it is but like every government program, it's poorly run. but to say it's a failure is bullshit.

The whole point is that we wouldn't have an illegal drug trade. To say it's a failure is simply an objective look at reality. Despite hundreds of billions of YOUR tax dollars spent on interdiction and enforcement, drugs are cheaper now then they've ever been, prison populations have skyrocketed surpassing even Soviet Russia for incarceration rates, the blocking of needle exchange programs has contributed to a public health crisis, the black market has created huge organized criminal organizations and caused huge amounts of violence... etc... etc.

How can you not say this is a policy failure? How much more do you need?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

To the guy who converted from Democrat to Bushism in 2007 (!) when every other person in the whole world saw he was an idiot I feel no duty to reply. Have a nice day.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: jonks

a) you describe McCain's take on immigration here
b) the war on drugs is a colossal failure and misallocation of resources from every possible angle, and defending it is a fools errand

Again, alot of people say the WOD is a failare. But you know what? We really dont know do we? Can we honestly know what the illegal drug trade would look like had we not put into place what we have? No. Do I think it's an efficient program? meh. Some of it is but like every government program, it's poorly run. but to say it's a failure is bullshit.

The whole point is that we wouldn't have an illegal drug trade. To say it's a failure is simply an objective look at reality. Despite hundreds of billions of YOUR tax dollars spent on interdiction and enforcement, drugs are cheaper now then they've ever been, prison populations have skyrocketed surpassing even Soviet Russia for incarceration rates, the blocking of needle exchange programs has contributed to a public health crisis, the black market has created huge organized criminal organizations and caused huge amounts of violence... etc... etc.

How can you not say this is a policy failure? How much more do you need?

Not to mention that despite all that money and tough laws and jail time the US STILL has the highest rate of illegal drug use in the world? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...ebmd/main4222322.shtml
It's not a failure, it's an EPIC failure.

 

[piasabird]

So instead of answering any criticism, the Left (oops) just attacks. They have no intelligent thought of their own.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: jonks

a) you describe McCain's take on immigration here
b) the war on drugs is a colossal failure and misallocation of resources from every possible angle, and defending it is a fools errand

Again, alot of people say the WOD is a failare. But you know what? We really dont know do we? Can we honestly know what the illegal drug trade would look like had we not put into place what we have? No. Do I think it's an efficient program? meh. Some of it is but like every government program, it's poorly run. but to say it's a failure is bullshit.

The whole point is that we wouldn't have an illegal drug trade. To say it's a failure is simply an objective look at reality. Despite hundreds of billions of YOUR tax dollars spent on interdiction and enforcement, drugs are cheaper now then they've ever been, prison populations have skyrocketed surpassing even Soviet Russia for incarceration rates, the blocking of needle exchange programs has contributed to a public health crisis, the black market has created huge organized criminal organizations and caused huge amounts of violence... etc... etc.

How can you not say this is a policy failure? How much more do you need?

Again, because we have ZERO way of knowing what the picture would look like without it. You call it a failure. What would success be to you? Zero drugs? lol I know you arent THAT unrealistic. Less drugs than what we have now? How do you quantify "less"? How do you know we dont ALREADY have less? AGAIN dont mistake my comments to mean it a success. Some of it IS. We've made some major busts that may (or may not ) have happened because of funding.

We dont friggin know. But, and I know Im the minority on this board, my opinion is...the shits illegal. Illegal means its a crime. Crime has sentancing. Some of that sentancing includes jail. Get over it. People know that when they use. It is what it is. Let me give you another example. I believe prostitution should be legal and legalized. But its not. If Im picked up soliciting, all the crying in the world isnt going to change the fact I *knew* it was illegal when I did it. The price must then be paid.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: jonks

a) you describe McCain's take on immigration here
b) the war on drugs is a colossal failure and misallocation of resources from every possible angle, and defending it is a fools errand

Again, alot of people say the WOD is a failare. But you know what? We really dont know do we? Can we honestly know what the illegal drug trade would look like had we not put into place what we have? No. Do I think it's an efficient program? meh. Some of it is but like every government program, it's poorly run. but to say it's a failure is bullshit.

The whole point is that we wouldn't have an illegal drug trade. To say it's a failure is simply an objective look at reality. Despite hundreds of billions of YOUR tax dollars spent on interdiction and enforcement, drugs are cheaper now then they've ever been, prison populations have skyrocketed surpassing even Soviet Russia for incarceration rates, the blocking of needle exchange programs has contributed to a public health crisis, the black market has created huge organized criminal organizations and caused huge amounts of violence... etc... etc.

How can you not say this is a policy failure? How much more do you need?

I think his point was along the lines that the measure of the policy is whether things are better with it ir without it, and that the harms without it are unknown and could be extremely high (no pun intended). For illustration, takt the extreme example than half of America became crack addicts if drugs were legalized - the drug war policy might start looking pretty good in that case.

That's just raising the idea of how the policy could be 'working', not showing it is.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: blackangst1

To the guy who converted from Democrat to Bushism in 2007 (!) when every other person in the whole world saw he was an idiot I feel no duty to reply. Have a nice day.

You have GOT to be under 25. Listen punk. Read it how you want. I didnt convert to "Bushism". I switched to Republican. Theres a difference ya dolt. I dislike Bush as much as the next guy. I just think too much is blamed on him that is completely out of his control. That does not make me a supporter. But apperantly folks like you think everything ulimately is his fault you disagree with.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: jonks

a) you describe McCain's take on immigration here
b) the war on drugs is a colossal failure and misallocation of resources from every possible angle, and defending it is a fools errand

Again, alot of people say the WOD is a failare. But you know what? We really dont know do we? Can we honestly know what the illegal drug trade would look like had we not put into place what we have? No. Do I think it's an efficient program? meh. Some of it is but like every government program, it's poorly run. but to say it's a failure is bullshit.

The whole point is that we wouldn't have an illegal drug trade. To say it's a failure is simply an objective look at reality. Despite hundreds of billions of YOUR tax dollars spent on interdiction and enforcement, drugs are cheaper now then they've ever been, prison populations have skyrocketed surpassing even Soviet Russia for incarceration rates, the blocking of needle exchange programs has contributed to a public health crisis, the black market has created huge organized criminal organizations and caused huge amounts of violence... etc... etc.

How can you not say this is a policy failure? How much more do you need?

Not to mention that despite all that money and tough laws and jail time the US STILL has the highest rate of illegal drug use in the world? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...ebmd/main4222322.shtml
It's not a failure, it's an EPIC failure.

And can you point to the country with the LOWEST and say it's GOOD government oversight? Explain that please.

 

[Nebor]

I wish this society would just collapse already. Most of us would die (myself included) but those left over would be tough, self-made survivors, and they'd know what's really important. Instead the most important things people have to talk about are 2 gay guys getting married or the fact that 40 million people don't have health insurance. Who cares.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I didnt convert to "Bushism". I switched to Republican. Theres a difference ya dolt. I dislike Bush as much as the next guy. I just think too much is blamed on him that is completely out of his control. That does not make me a supporter. But apperantly folks like you think everything ulimately is his fault you disagree with.

You know, there's room for saying you blame too little on Bush that is short of your straw man of 'everything is his fault'. That's why they say specifics are good for discussions.

What are a few things specifically you think most liberals blame Bush for too much, and why, so they can be debated?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Again, because we have ZERO way of knowing what the picture would look like without it. You call it a failure. What would success be to you? Zero drugs? lol I know you arent THAT unrealistic. Less drugs than what we have now? How do you quantify "less"? How do you know we dont ALREADY have less? AGAIN dont mistake my comments to mean it a success. Some of it IS. We've made some major busts that may (or may not ) have happened because of funding.

We dont friggin know. But, and I know Im the minority on this board, my opinion is...the shits illegal. Illegal means its a crime. Crime has sentancing. Some of that sentancing includes jail. Get over it. People know that when they use. It is what it is. Let me give you another example. I believe prostitution should be legal and legalized. But its not. If Im picked up soliciting, all the crying in the world isnt going to change the fact I *knew* it was illegal when I did it. The price must then be paid.

The issue isn't if people who break the law should be put in jail, its that the law shouldn't be there to begin with. The 'major busts' are POINTLESS. You are arguing that things would be worse without the war on drugs, but I am aware of no credible evidence to back this up.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Nebor
I wish this society would just collapse already. Most of us would die (myself included) but those left over would be tough, self-made survivors, and they'd know what's really important. Instead the most important things people have to talk about are 2 gay guys getting married or the fact that 40 million people don't have health insurance. Who cares.

I don't recall seeing a better summary of the sickness of the far-right faction Nebor represents in years than this post.

It reminds me of the old debate in the 60's about 'winning a nuclear war, so well summarized by the head of our Air Force Strategi Air Command:

"Restraint? Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards. At the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian left alive, we win."
--Thomas Power, commander in chief of the Strategic Air Command from 1957 to 1964, speaking to a Senate defense committee during the Cuban Missile Crisis

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Nebor
I wish this society would just collapse already. Most of us would die (myself included) but those left over would be tough, self-made survivors, and they'd know what's really important. Instead the most important things people have to talk about are 2 gay guys getting married or the fact that 40 million people don't have health insurance. Who cares.

Sucks to be you I guess. My life is pretty good, and Im squarely in middle income. Of the 13 countries Ive traveled to, and the 4 I frequent often, I can honestly say I wouldnt want to live anywhere else. If its so bad for you, get off youre lazy ass and move.

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: Vic
2) I don't have freedom of healthcare right now. I take what my employer gives me or go without.

...

3) The lack of school vouchers does not infringe on your freedom of education. If you want to put your kids in private schools or homeschool, pay for it yourself.

Do you not see some contradiction here? Why does the "if you want the best service, pay for it yourself" work for education, but not health care?

Freedom of health care doesn't mean you get free health care. It means you get to choose how to spend your money on health care. If your job doesn't provide health care, you have the freedom to pay for it yourself, get another job, or go without health care. You have the free choice to decide. If health care is nationalized, you do NOT have freedom of health care. There is only one provider, you have no alternatives, no recourse, and you are forced to pay for it.

There is no such thing as free health care. The government has no money to pay for it that they didn't take from another person. Taking money away from one person to give to another is not freedom. You can advocate robin-hoodism if you like, but don't call it freedom.

Likewise, forcing everyone to pay for public school, whether your kid goes to public school or not, is not freedom. It's not quite as strict as the socialized health care laws, which outlaw private health care like in Canada, but it's close.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Nebor
I wish this society would just collapse already. Most of us would die (myself included) but those left over would be tough, self-made survivors, and they'd know what's really important. Instead the most important things people have to talk about are 2 gay guys getting married or the fact that 40 million people don't have health insurance. Who cares.

I don't recall seeing a better summary of the sickness of the far-right faction Nevor represents in years than this post.

As opposed to the sickness of the Left in trying to socialize the country?

Huh.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I didnt convert to "Bushism". I switched to Republican. Theres a difference ya dolt. I dislike Bush as much as the next guy. I just think too much is blamed on him that is completely out of his control. That does not make me a supporter. But apperantly folks like you think everything ulimately is his fault you disagree with.

You know, there's room for saying you blame too little on Bush that is short of your straw man of 'everything is his fault'. That's why they say specifics are good for discussions.

What are a few things specifically you think most liberals blame Bush for too much, and why, so they can be debated?

Because they've been debated ad nauseum. Perhaps there *is* room to say I blame too little *shrug*. Doesnt make me a fuckin fan. I have had the same 3 issues as the issues I vote on for 20 years. And I can honestly say he has fucked up all 3 for me. Now, Im not going to participate in yet another flame fest, but the war isnt one of my top 3 issues. I support the war and the reason we're there. But, he is the first president since Ive been of voting age that has failed to at as least ATTEMPT at making a step in a positive direction for what I consider my top 3 issues.

Unfortunately most on this board are too fucking partisan to see that disagreeing with someone's hatred for Bush != Bush supporter.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I didnt convert to "Bushism". I switched to Republican. Theres a difference ya dolt. I dislike Bush as much as the next guy. I just think too much is blamed on him that is completely out of his control. That does not make me a supporter. But apperantly folks like you think everything ulimately is his fault you disagree with.

You know, there's room for saying you blame too little on Bush that is short of your straw man of 'everything is his fault'. That's why they say specifics are good for discussions.

What are a few things specifically you think most liberals blame Bush for too much, and why, so they can be debated?

Because they've been debated ad nauseum. Perhaps there *is* room to say I blame too little *shrug*. Doesnt make me a fuckin fan. I have had the same 3 issues as the issues I vote on for 20 years. And I can honestly say he has fucked up all 3 for me. Now, Im not going to participate in yet another flame fest, but the war isnt one of my top 3 issues. I support the war and the reason we're there. But, he is the first president since Ive been of voting age that has failed to at as least ATTEMPT at making a step in a positive direction for what I consider my top 3 issues.

Unfortunately most on this board are too fucking partisan to see that disagreeing with someone's hatred for Bush != Bush supporter.

I understand your point, but you did not answer my question.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Again, because we have ZERO way of knowing what the picture would look like without it. You call it a failure. What would success be to you? Zero drugs? lol I know you arent THAT unrealistic. Less drugs than what we have now? How do you quantify "less"? How do you know we dont ALREADY have less? AGAIN dont mistake my comments to mean it a success. Some of it IS. We've made some major busts that may (or may not ) have happened because of funding.

We dont friggin know. But, and I know Im the minority on this board, my opinion is...the shits illegal. Illegal means its a crime. Crime has sentancing. Some of that sentancing includes jail. Get over it. People know that when they use. It is what it is. Let me give you another example. I believe prostitution should be legal and legalized. But its not. If Im picked up soliciting, all the crying in the world isnt going to change the fact I *knew* it was illegal when I did it. The price must then be paid.

The issue isn't if people who break the law should be put in jail, its that the law shouldn't be there to begin with. The 'major busts' are POINTLESS. You are arguing that things would be worse without the war on drugs, but I am aware of no credible evidence to back this up.

See my comment about prostitution.

Can you point me to credible evidence that our current illegal drug condition would be similar if the time, money, and energy WERENT spent on it?

I didnt think so. As I first said. It's speculation.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I didnt convert to "Bushism". I switched to Republican. Theres a difference ya dolt. I dislike Bush as much as the next guy. I just think too much is blamed on him that is completely out of his control. That does not make me a supporter. But apperantly folks like you think everything ulimately is his fault you disagree with.

You know, there's room for saying you blame too little on Bush that is short of your straw man of 'everything is his fault'. That's why they say specifics are good for discussions.

What are a few things specifically you think most liberals blame Bush for too much, and why, so they can be debated?

Because they've been debated ad nauseum. Perhaps there *is* room to say I blame too little *shrug*. Doesnt make me a fuckin fan. I have had the same 3 issues as the issues I vote on for 20 years. And I can honestly say he has fucked up all 3 for me. Now, Im not going to participate in yet another flame fest, but the war isnt one of my top 3 issues. I support the war and the reason we're there. But, he is the first president since Ive been of voting age that has failed to at as least ATTEMPT at making a step in a positive direction for what I consider my top 3 issues.

Unfortunately most on this board are too fucking partisan to see that disagreeing with someone's hatred for Bush != Bush supporter.

I understand your point, but you did not answer my question.

You mean this question? "What are a few things specifically you think most liberals blame Bush for too much, and why, so they can be debated?"

I did. It's been debated ad nauseum. Why beat a dead horse?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
As opposed to the sickness of the Left in trying to socialize the country?

Huh.

1. The left is not trying to socialize the country. They are in favor of moving a little bit in that direction from where we are, so I'll consider that your point instead.

2. There's nothing 'sick' about the left's efforts to make the nation more prosperous and just, to increase opportunity and reduce wrongs we do.

I see a lack of any specifics in your post, you don't make the case whatsoever for your claim. (I think the sickness in Nebor's post is self-evident but can explain if needed).

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: blackangst1

To the guy who converted from Democrat to Bushism in 2007 (!) when every other person in the whole world saw he was an idiot I feel no duty to reply. Have a nice day.

You have GOT to be under 25. Listen punk. Read it how you want. I didnt convert to "Bushism". I switched to Republican. Theres a difference ya dolt. I dislike Bush as much as the next guy. I just think too much is blamed on him that is completely out of his control. That does not make me a supporter. But apperantly folks like you think everything ulimately is his fault you disagree with.

Friend, I've been reading your posts for over a year now and your offerings rank among the most illogical and partisan thoughts that P&N has to offer. Switching to Republican at the height of the Republican backlash is truly a crystalized essence of your online persona. Also, your spelling often sucks. If thinking I'm under 25 makes you feel better about yourself, you're free to do so.