Is it simply their ideas, the side they wish to associate themselves with, how they vote..or what exactly? Is it real definitive?
What makes someone left or right?
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Somehow 'Being Left' or 'Being Liberal' has evolved into a perception.
In the 50's 'Being Left' was a direct reference to being either a member of the Communist Party,
or being a Piko Commie Sympathizer.
In the 30's & 40's 'Bring Right' meant Pro-Fascist Nazi war monger.
We didn't even call the Japanese 'Right" - what were they ? Moderates ?
McCarthy milked Communism to make a name for himself with sensationalism,
but really put a morbid and negative political connotation on 'Being Left'
Nixon also gained politically as the VP under Ike, with an Anti-Left standing.
Barry Goldwater ran as a staunch conservitive Anti-Left candidate using the slogan
"In your Heart - You Know He's Right" but lost to LBJ in '64, before involvement in 'Nam led to dissent.
Under LBJ, 'Nam involvement escalated, and before the '68 elections Johnson delcined to run for re-election.
Johnson had found that his advisers were feeding him false inteligence and felt betrayed and guilt.
Political unrest against involvement in 'Nam had risen to commanding a media coverage, it was news.
Nixon with an unknown running mate - Spiro Agnew took the Right & Conservative approach,
retracting their politics into a reach for the past.
'Dry' Humphrey, HHH himself with his pal Muskie (Isn't that a fish ?), ran against them.
R.F. Kennedy was assasinated, and the antigovernment feelings directed at the administration
marked the '68 Chicago Democratic convention, dooming the efforts of Humphrey, and with
their appeasment stance opened the door for the 'Liberal' label being stamped on those who
tried to reach an understanding with those anti-war demonstrators.
Nixon's machine even had working agents within the Democratic party then.
Nixon wins in a mudslide over a crippled exiting Administration, which looses more
credibility as the Lame Duck session oozes to an end.
Jane Fonda visits her old love interent in Hanoi, Ho-Chi, and reinforces the 'Left' concept.
As we blither our way through the end of the 60's into the early 70's, Nixon opens the door
to China, Peace talks begin in France - (There's the F word again), and Nixon
needs to be returned to the throne for another term. Enter Watergate.
Or break-in to Watergate, as it turns out. Nixon Machine involved up to the eyeballs
including the Teeth, Lips, and Gums himself.
Nixon wins by and even bigger mudslide in '72, and the McGovern & Shriver 'Liberals' are
sent running with their tails between their legs.
Didn't need to have played the dirty politics, but they couldn't resist - Nixon's agents got caught.
(Gump saw them - remember, they couldn't even hide from Gump !)
We make our orderly retreat from Viet Nam, calmly hanging off of helicopters,
and dumpiing Weaponry wherever we could, as the North Vietnamese peacfully
assulted from the North and analiated anyonre who had been associated with our presence.
Spinning began, and the next thing you know Agnews a Crook !
Spiro releases a blank book titled 'The Wit and Wisdom of Spiro Agnew' and resigns.
Smartest decision that man ever made in his life.
Nixon's head bobs upand down on the tide, and he becomes un-palatable.
He steps off and airplane, and quoting his running mate Spiro Agnew, declares, "I am not a Crook"
But we knew better, after all we had seen his lips move.
Gerald Ford signs a contract with Timex to wear their products on his head when he boards aircraft,
and is sworn in as the President of the United States, with Standard Oil acting as Vice President.
With the Viet Nam war machine no longer operating, suddenly there is no oil.
Not only is the Viet Nam war over, but the Gas Wars are over - GAS WON !
How in the hell can the biggest petrochemical consumer in the world, our war machine
quit consuming product and almost instantly the product be gone ?
Maybe it was profit margain, as fuel cost more than doubles.
And back come the Liberals, This time with the Amazing 50 Foot President.
Jimmy Carter, Nuclear Engineer by Day, Super Hero Candidate by night.
Ford Paired with 'Mr. Personality' Viagra Bob, and lost in a backlash election
where citizen distrust more than anything gave Carter the victory.
Jimmy was nice. Incomptent, but nice.
Probably the most honest man that had been president since Truman.
(But don't forget - Truman was supposed to be a crook, he just didn't play)
The Right Consetvatives followed the Star of Hollywood to a manger in California,
where wrapped in swaddling clothes the three wise men discovered Governor Ron.
Offering gifts of support, financing, and manipulation, soon Captain Ametica was
ready to lead this great nation on the path to righteousness, and do what was RIGHT !
Labeling Carters Liberal actions as not what America needed, they proceeded
with the Character Assassination as a pre-emptive strike, proving that he
had 'Lusted in his Heart' and was not a man to be trusted.
Liberal Carter quit supporting the Shah-Puppet in Iran, and did nothing to
prevent the release of the Ayatolla Kolhmeni from France.
(See - it's the French again, trained the Ayatolla to attack our intrests)
Student opposition to the Shah and American presence in Iran coincided
with the hostage taking at the American Embassy in Iran.
A bungled rescue attempt failled, and further complicated the situation.
Reagan Right win's the 1980 election, crushing the inept Carter campaign effort,
and we begin re-arming the biggest military in the world, it's right you know.
Whole bunch of discrepancies politically under Ronnie, Iran-Contra & Ollie,
Including the secret deal to release the Hostages from Iran, so it could coincide
with the coronation of King Ray-Gun, saviour of the West.
Everybody's favorie Uncle Newt Gingrich invents the "Contract on America"
a strategic plan to take over the Government from the Citizens of the United States.
Using the uncanny ability of a Politian to jump through whatever hoop is necessary
to gain access to an untold wealth of campain funds, all of a sudden a cluster-screw
of Democrats dash to the trough and are babtized as Borne-Again Republicans.
The best Government that Money can Buy, They have the receipts to prove it.
How does a candidate, take a $ 100,000 dollar a year job, and 4 years later have a stake
of multi-millions, with a verifiable income totaling between $ 400,000 to $ 600,000.
I'd have to pick up a lot of options to match that, how about you ?
Anyway, to take a boring read, and keep it going -
The Nixon machine takes it's hand out of the Reagan Puppet,
and puts in into the Bush Puppet, which works fine for a while.
Ronnie Puppet had armed our designated Dictator for our Proxie War with Iran,
but Sad-Sack didn't follow up on the details for the pipeline to Jordan that was to be built,
because he wouldn't agree to let Israel have a percentage.
He also felt pretty cockey, as he had so many of the weapons that we sold him,
and everybody knows how good the 'Made in USA' weapons were.
He was ready to fight World War One all over again. He had the strategy
of World War Two, the best weapons of the 60's and 70's from both side,
Soviet AND U.S., and thought Kuwait was his trailer park to annex.
But we had weapons of the 80's, and Big Hair to prove it.
Mashed him flat.
Came back to celebrate, and forgot to take care of our people and economy
Clinton took off his snake-suit, and became an international diplomat,
kissing and wiping whatever and wherever he could. He became THE Liberal.
Right wing conservative radio and television did everthing that they could
to target and discredit Captain Clinton - the Clean, but even he couldn't
evade Bill's evil twin - Penis. And he caught fire and fell to earth.
The Nixon Machine, or at least the Dregs of it, had discovered Saint George
the Dubya-tenth, and so began the Restoration of the Dynasty.
But now the 'Right' thinks that they are above reproach, and their
destiny lies in doing Gods will for the Good of America.
And those damn left-wing troublemaking liberals just better
get out of the way or we'll bomb them next, before France.
Whooa, that was an effort.
Anyone for Spell-Check ?
In the 50's 'Being Left' was a direct reference to being either a member of the Communist Party,
or being a Piko Commie Sympathizer.
In the 30's & 40's 'Bring Right' meant Pro-Fascist Nazi war monger.
We didn't even call the Japanese 'Right" - what were they ? Moderates ?
McCarthy milked Communism to make a name for himself with sensationalism,
but really put a morbid and negative political connotation on 'Being Left'
Nixon also gained politically as the VP under Ike, with an Anti-Left standing.
Barry Goldwater ran as a staunch conservitive Anti-Left candidate using the slogan
"In your Heart - You Know He's Right" but lost to LBJ in '64, before involvement in 'Nam led to dissent.
Under LBJ, 'Nam involvement escalated, and before the '68 elections Johnson delcined to run for re-election.
Johnson had found that his advisers were feeding him false inteligence and felt betrayed and guilt.
Political unrest against involvement in 'Nam had risen to commanding a media coverage, it was news.
Nixon with an unknown running mate - Spiro Agnew took the Right & Conservative approach,
retracting their politics into a reach for the past.
'Dry' Humphrey, HHH himself with his pal Muskie (Isn't that a fish ?), ran against them.
R.F. Kennedy was assasinated, and the antigovernment feelings directed at the administration
marked the '68 Chicago Democratic convention, dooming the efforts of Humphrey, and with
their appeasment stance opened the door for the 'Liberal' label being stamped on those who
tried to reach an understanding with those anti-war demonstrators.
Nixon's machine even had working agents within the Democratic party then.
Nixon wins in a mudslide over a crippled exiting Administration, which looses more
credibility as the Lame Duck session oozes to an end.
Jane Fonda visits her old love interent in Hanoi, Ho-Chi, and reinforces the 'Left' concept.
As we blither our way through the end of the 60's into the early 70's, Nixon opens the door
to China, Peace talks begin in France - (There's the F word again), and Nixon
needs to be returned to the throne for another term. Enter Watergate.
Or break-in to Watergate, as it turns out. Nixon Machine involved up to the eyeballs
including the Teeth, Lips, and Gums himself.
Nixon wins by and even bigger mudslide in '72, and the McGovern & Shriver 'Liberals' are
sent running with their tails between their legs.
Didn't need to have played the dirty politics, but they couldn't resist - Nixon's agents got caught.
(Gump saw them - remember, they couldn't even hide from Gump !)
We make our orderly retreat from Viet Nam, calmly hanging off of helicopters,
and dumpiing Weaponry wherever we could, as the North Vietnamese peacfully
assulted from the North and analiated anyonre who had been associated with our presence.
Spinning began, and the next thing you know Agnews a Crook !
Spiro releases a blank book titled 'The Wit and Wisdom of Spiro Agnew' and resigns.
Smartest decision that man ever made in his life.
Nixon's head bobs upand down on the tide, and he becomes un-palatable.
He steps off and airplane, and quoting his running mate Spiro Agnew, declares, "I am not a Crook"
But we knew better, after all we had seen his lips move.
Gerald Ford signs a contract with Timex to wear their products on his head when he boards aircraft,
and is sworn in as the President of the United States, with Standard Oil acting as Vice President.
With the Viet Nam war machine no longer operating, suddenly there is no oil.
Not only is the Viet Nam war over, but the Gas Wars are over - GAS WON !
How in the hell can the biggest petrochemical consumer in the world, our war machine
quit consuming product and almost instantly the product be gone ?
Maybe it was profit margain, as fuel cost more than doubles.
And back come the Liberals, This time with the Amazing 50 Foot President.
Jimmy Carter, Nuclear Engineer by Day, Super Hero Candidate by night.
Ford Paired with 'Mr. Personality' Viagra Bob, and lost in a backlash election
where citizen distrust more than anything gave Carter the victory.
Jimmy was nice. Incomptent, but nice.
Probably the most honest man that had been president since Truman.
(But don't forget - Truman was supposed to be a crook, he just didn't play)
The Right Consetvatives followed the Star of Hollywood to a manger in California,
where wrapped in swaddling clothes the three wise men discovered Governor Ron.
Offering gifts of support, financing, and manipulation, soon Captain Ametica was
ready to lead this great nation on the path to righteousness, and do what was RIGHT !
Labeling Carters Liberal actions as not what America needed, they proceeded
with the Character Assassination as a pre-emptive strike, proving that he
had 'Lusted in his Heart' and was not a man to be trusted.
Liberal Carter quit supporting the Shah-Puppet in Iran, and did nothing to
prevent the release of the Ayatolla Kolhmeni from France.
(See - it's the French again, trained the Ayatolla to attack our intrests)
Student opposition to the Shah and American presence in Iran coincided
with the hostage taking at the American Embassy in Iran.
A bungled rescue attempt failled, and further complicated the situation.
Reagan Right win's the 1980 election, crushing the inept Carter campaign effort,
and we begin re-arming the biggest military in the world, it's right you know.
Whole bunch of discrepancies politically under Ronnie, Iran-Contra & Ollie,
Including the secret deal to release the Hostages from Iran, so it could coincide
with the coronation of King Ray-Gun, saviour of the West.
Everybody's favorie Uncle Newt Gingrich invents the "Contract on America"
a strategic plan to take over the Government from the Citizens of the United States.
Using the uncanny ability of a Politian to jump through whatever hoop is necessary
to gain access to an untold wealth of campain funds, all of a sudden a cluster-screw
of Democrats dash to the trough and are babtized as Borne-Again Republicans.
The best Government that Money can Buy, They have the receipts to prove it.
How does a candidate, take a $ 100,000 dollar a year job, and 4 years later have a stake
of multi-millions, with a verifiable income totaling between $ 400,000 to $ 600,000.
I'd have to pick up a lot of options to match that, how about you ?
Anyway, to take a boring read, and keep it going -
The Nixon machine takes it's hand out of the Reagan Puppet,
and puts in into the Bush Puppet, which works fine for a while.
Ronnie Puppet had armed our designated Dictator for our Proxie War with Iran,
but Sad-Sack didn't follow up on the details for the pipeline to Jordan that was to be built,
because he wouldn't agree to let Israel have a percentage.
He also felt pretty cockey, as he had so many of the weapons that we sold him,
and everybody knows how good the 'Made in USA' weapons were.
He was ready to fight World War One all over again. He had the strategy
of World War Two, the best weapons of the 60's and 70's from both side,
Soviet AND U.S., and thought Kuwait was his trailer park to annex.
But we had weapons of the 80's, and Big Hair to prove it.
Mashed him flat.
Came back to celebrate, and forgot to take care of our people and economy
Clinton took off his snake-suit, and became an international diplomat,
kissing and wiping whatever and wherever he could. He became THE Liberal.
Right wing conservative radio and television did everthing that they could
to target and discredit Captain Clinton - the Clean, but even he couldn't
evade Bill's evil twin - Penis. And he caught fire and fell to earth.
The Nixon Machine, or at least the Dregs of it, had discovered Saint George
the Dubya-tenth, and so began the Restoration of the Dynasty.
But now the 'Right' thinks that they are above reproach, and their
destiny lies in doing Gods will for the Good of America.
And those damn left-wing troublemaking liberals just better
get out of the way or we'll bomb them next, before France.
Whooa, that was an effort.
Anyone for Spell-Check ?
Why does every hack on Carter?
you can talk all you want about the economy WHILE he was in office, but you should look back at the 5+ yr cycle that was in effect when he came into office. The initiall early gains under Reagan were because of some of Carter's actions. Ronnie and his willing democratic buddies just added a few more trillion on to the debt to keep it going, Bush Sr. and the normal US citizen paid for their spending spree.
Notice the effect a balanced budget had on foreign investment capital during Clinton's term, the stock market fared much better on his watch than Ronnie's without nearly the damage to the countries coiffers, due to the balanced budget agreement of 1993, one year before the contract on america and the GOP takeover, just had to add that in, have noticed the "Right" seems to want to take credit for whatever success they can, deserved or not.
you can talk all you want about the economy WHILE he was in office, but you should look back at the 5+ yr cycle that was in effect when he came into office. The initiall early gains under Reagan were because of some of Carter's actions. Ronnie and his willing democratic buddies just added a few more trillion on to the debt to keep it going, Bush Sr. and the normal US citizen paid for their spending spree.
Notice the effect a balanced budget had on foreign investment capital during Clinton's term, the stock market fared much better on his watch than Ronnie's without nearly the damage to the countries coiffers, due to the balanced budget agreement of 1993, one year before the contract on america and the GOP takeover, just had to add that in, have noticed the "Right" seems to want to take credit for whatever success they can, deserved or not.
Because carter fuc#ed up the prestige of the US military and was a retard on foreign relations. Anyone that says otherwise is lying to you or themself.
Most people hack on him for the economy under his term, especially the high interest rates.
Although the U.S. economy continued to improve, the growth rate appeared to be stuck at around five percent of GNP and unemployment continued to nag. Inflation, a stubborn problem over the past 10 years, worsened. Carter initiated a comprehensive anti-inflation program, placing heavy emphasis on voluntary cooperation between government, business and labor to restrict price and wage rises. In another move to strengthen the U.S. dollar, the Carter Administration set up a $30,000 million coordinated market intervention facility in cooperation with three other countries. He urged expansion of U.S. exports and congressional approval of the Multilateral Trade Negotiations.
In his foreign policy, Mr. Carter stunned many diplomats by announcing that United States relations with other nations would be based on a concern for the rights of humans -the Carter "human rights" doctrine. The policy brought charges of interference in internal affairs of other nations from some governments, but was well received by the majority of world leaders.
He could count among his victories the ratification of the Panama Canal Treaty which guarantees the neutrality of the Canal after the year 2000. The ten-mile strip across the isthmus which contains the Canal had been administered by the United States. Some Americans accused the Administration of attempting to "give away" a valuable resource. The Administration's position was that the Canal was a resource of Panama which would guarantee American interests in its operation. After one of the most intensive lobbying efforts undertaken by the White House, the President won the necessary approval of the Senate and the historic treaty documents were signed.
January 1, 1979, marked a new era in Chinese-American relations. The first steps towards normalization which had begun with Richard Nixon's trip to Beijing in 1972 culminated almost seven years later in full diplomatic relations between the United States and the People's Republic of China. At the same time the United States cut formal ties with the Nationalist Chinese regime In Taiwan.
Carter's tireless effort to help cement a permanent peace in the Middle East resulted in the signing of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel on March 26, 1979. It promised to end the cycle of Mideast wars and committed the two nations to negotiate the troubling question of a homeland for the Palestinians.
The Middle East breakthrough was Carter's most ambitious foreign policy achievement. In a rare effort of personal diplomacy, he initiated the negotiations between Egypt's Anwar Sadat and Israel's Menachem Begin, first at Camp David, the Presidential mountain retreat, and then he rescued the deteriorating peace talks in personal visits to both countries.
In 1980, the last year of his Administration, President Carter suffered serious setbacks in the area of foreign policy. His negotiators had culminated seven years of strategic arms limitations talks with the Soviet Union when he and the Soviet chairman signed the SALT II treaty. Under the U.S. Constitution, the treaty required ratification by two-thirds of the Senate. Many members of the Senate expressed reservations about the treaty, questioning if it would protect American security interests. When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in early 1980, President Carter asked the Senate not to consider the treaty further.
Militants in Iran seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in November 1979 and took some 60 Americans as hostages. Unable to persuade Iran to release them, President Carter ordered a military rescue mission, which failed, resulting in the deaths of eight American servicemen when their aircraft collided in the Iranian desert. Carter's failure to secure the hostages' freedom, after a year's captivity, was considered by political scientists a factor in his defeat in the 1980 presidential elections.
Some of that was hardly his fault in the ME, but overall his record was not SO bad..
Although the U.S. economy continued to improve, the growth rate appeared to be stuck at around five percent of GNP and unemployment continued to nag. Inflation, a stubborn problem over the past 10 years, worsened. Carter initiated a comprehensive anti-inflation program, placing heavy emphasis on voluntary cooperation between government, business and labor to restrict price and wage rises. In another move to strengthen the U.S. dollar, the Carter Administration set up a $30,000 million coordinated market intervention facility in cooperation with three other countries. He urged expansion of U.S. exports and congressional approval of the Multilateral Trade Negotiations.
In his foreign policy, Mr. Carter stunned many diplomats by announcing that United States relations with other nations would be based on a concern for the rights of humans -the Carter "human rights" doctrine. The policy brought charges of interference in internal affairs of other nations from some governments, but was well received by the majority of world leaders.
He could count among his victories the ratification of the Panama Canal Treaty which guarantees the neutrality of the Canal after the year 2000. The ten-mile strip across the isthmus which contains the Canal had been administered by the United States. Some Americans accused the Administration of attempting to "give away" a valuable resource. The Administration's position was that the Canal was a resource of Panama which would guarantee American interests in its operation. After one of the most intensive lobbying efforts undertaken by the White House, the President won the necessary approval of the Senate and the historic treaty documents were signed.
January 1, 1979, marked a new era in Chinese-American relations. The first steps towards normalization which had begun with Richard Nixon's trip to Beijing in 1972 culminated almost seven years later in full diplomatic relations between the United States and the People's Republic of China. At the same time the United States cut formal ties with the Nationalist Chinese regime In Taiwan.
Carter's tireless effort to help cement a permanent peace in the Middle East resulted in the signing of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel on March 26, 1979. It promised to end the cycle of Mideast wars and committed the two nations to negotiate the troubling question of a homeland for the Palestinians.
The Middle East breakthrough was Carter's most ambitious foreign policy achievement. In a rare effort of personal diplomacy, he initiated the negotiations between Egypt's Anwar Sadat and Israel's Menachem Begin, first at Camp David, the Presidential mountain retreat, and then he rescued the deteriorating peace talks in personal visits to both countries.
In 1980, the last year of his Administration, President Carter suffered serious setbacks in the area of foreign policy. His negotiators had culminated seven years of strategic arms limitations talks with the Soviet Union when he and the Soviet chairman signed the SALT II treaty. Under the U.S. Constitution, the treaty required ratification by two-thirds of the Senate. Many members of the Senate expressed reservations about the treaty, questioning if it would protect American security interests. When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in early 1980, President Carter asked the Senate not to consider the treaty further.
Militants in Iran seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in November 1979 and took some 60 Americans as hostages. Unable to persuade Iran to release them, President Carter ordered a military rescue mission, which failed, resulting in the deaths of eight American servicemen when their aircraft collided in the Iranian desert. Carter's failure to secure the hostages' freedom, after a year's captivity, was considered by political scientists a factor in his defeat in the 1980 presidential elections.
Some of that was hardly his fault in the ME, but overall his record was not SO bad..
Only simpletons believe Clinton/Congress ever balanced the federal budget. Sure, there was a "surplus" for a few years, but that was only created by considering both federal funds and trust funds receipts together. Trust fund receipts (including Social Security taxes) were (and continue to be) high because the Baby Boomers continue to work and have not yet begun to retire in large numbers. However, when they do, they're going to want to collect on their trust fund (SS) contributions. To merge trust fund contributions, which are already earmarked for future expenditures, with federal funds receipts, which aren't yet earmarked for anything, is just shady accounting, designed to fool the simple-minded like Alistar7. If you actually take a hard look at federal budget documents like these, you'll see that federal funds receipts never equaled or exceeded federal funds expenditures - that is, we never had a surplus, at least if you believe in honest accounting. To say otherwise is like taking out a cash advance of $10K on your credit card, and claiming your income just went up $10K. Sure it did, but you've got pay that $10K back eventually (with interest). Eventually, someone is going to have to replenish the SS fund after Clinton and Congress emptied it to fool people like Alistar7 into thinking there was a 'surplus'.
Nice theories.
Time for a little FACT.
The balanced budget agreement was passed by a democratically controlled congress, senate, and President. This brought about the largest influx of foreign investment capital into this country in the last 40+ years. If you were not such a simpleton, you would realize the MAJORITY of private citizen investment with 401k's, etc, came about AFTER early high gains in the market, making it an ATTRACTIVE investment.
As far as the "surplus", I understand how BOTH parties have dipped into SS to cover spending and still do today. But there was far more fiscal respnsibility during Clinton's administartion that we are seeing today. They are back to deficit spending. You say you can cook the books, then why are they reporting deficit spending? Are you suggesting the GOP is incapable of being dishonest?
That's funny you would blame clinton and his congress for all the debt Americans hold under their govt.'s belt so to speak. 2 years they had power and they managed that, lol, funny you glossed right over the fact our national DEBT went from just over 1 trillion to over 4 trillion under Reagan. ANYONE could borrow 3 trillion and get a SMALL TEMPORARY boost in the economy as Reagan did, Bush Sr. paid the price for that one though.
I love the spin of the right though, never ceases to change, unlike their version of history.
Nice of you to make it to the second word to make a personal attack, the "strength' of your opening line was more than adequate foreshadowing of your impressive "logic".
Only simpleton's belive everything they are told, even when they have lived through what really happened. You better run now, Rush will be on soon so he can tell you more "historical fact". I love him myself, best comedy show on radio...
Time for a little FACT.
The balanced budget agreement was passed by a democratically controlled congress, senate, and President. This brought about the largest influx of foreign investment capital into this country in the last 40+ years. If you were not such a simpleton, you would realize the MAJORITY of private citizen investment with 401k's, etc, came about AFTER early high gains in the market, making it an ATTRACTIVE investment.
As far as the "surplus", I understand how BOTH parties have dipped into SS to cover spending and still do today. But there was far more fiscal respnsibility during Clinton's administartion that we are seeing today. They are back to deficit spending. You say you can cook the books, then why are they reporting deficit spending? Are you suggesting the GOP is incapable of being dishonest?
That's funny you would blame clinton and his congress for all the debt Americans hold under their govt.'s belt so to speak. 2 years they had power and they managed that, lol, funny you glossed right over the fact our national DEBT went from just over 1 trillion to over 4 trillion under Reagan. ANYONE could borrow 3 trillion and get a SMALL TEMPORARY boost in the economy as Reagan did, Bush Sr. paid the price for that one though.
I love the spin of the right though, never ceases to change, unlike their version of history.
Nice of you to make it to the second word to make a personal attack, the "strength' of your opening line was more than adequate foreshadowing of your impressive "logic".
Only simpleton's belive everything they are told, even when they have lived through what really happened. You better run now, Rush will be on soon so he can tell you more "historical fact". I love him myself, best comedy show on radio...
CaptnKirk
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Al-7, I am really glad you came in on the side of defending J. Carter.
I believe that he was placed in a position to take a hit for something he could play no role in preventing.
When the Ayatolla Kolmeini returned to Iran after his exile to France, Jimmy Carter tried to maintain the
humanitarian position that what ever happened in Iran with the dipleasure of the Shah's activity was the
Business of the Iranian people, and they could solve the political instability to their satisfaction without
any more heavy handedness by our government - a hand off approach.
Unfortunately, the rise of student revolution that met the return of thr Ayatolla blew up way beyond
anything that was anticipated, and the Ayatolla seized that platform, and Americans were taken
for hostage, and the Ayatolla didn't know what esle to do, so he became more hardline to strengthen
his position against the fall of the Shah's regime and it's links to America - Pure symbolism at first.
But the situation deteriorated from there. If Carters advisers had forcast what happened, the
return of Kolmeni may have been prevented, maybe even with our continuing to prop up the Shah.
That would have delayed things for a while, but it may have prevented a war between Iraq and Iran then.
An ill advised rescue attemp by an out of position military group went poorly, as the equipment did not
have the proper equipment for the region, and got into a sand strom that disabled the helicopters.
Valiant atempt, poor timing - and a worse case of bad luck.
Carter takes the hit for doing the best he could under adverse circumstances.
Secret deals behind the back of the Carter administration, bordering on treason, got the hostages released
as part of the inaugration of Reagan, theatriical arangement for political display, miscarriage of patriotism.
Since leaving the office of the president, Mr. Carter has done more for the United States than he was
permitted to do while in office, and has contributed more for the good of America than ALL OTHER
PRESIDENTS COMBINED. Religous, honest, caring, helpful, and still people take cheap shots.
I have more respect for Carter than I have for any other President who served in my lifetime, although
Jerry Ford actually did a very good job - under the circumstances that were dumped on him.
I believe that he was placed in a position to take a hit for something he could play no role in preventing.
When the Ayatolla Kolmeini returned to Iran after his exile to France, Jimmy Carter tried to maintain the
humanitarian position that what ever happened in Iran with the dipleasure of the Shah's activity was the
Business of the Iranian people, and they could solve the political instability to their satisfaction without
any more heavy handedness by our government - a hand off approach.
Unfortunately, the rise of student revolution that met the return of thr Ayatolla blew up way beyond
anything that was anticipated, and the Ayatolla seized that platform, and Americans were taken
for hostage, and the Ayatolla didn't know what esle to do, so he became more hardline to strengthen
his position against the fall of the Shah's regime and it's links to America - Pure symbolism at first.
But the situation deteriorated from there. If Carters advisers had forcast what happened, the
return of Kolmeni may have been prevented, maybe even with our continuing to prop up the Shah.
That would have delayed things for a while, but it may have prevented a war between Iraq and Iran then.
An ill advised rescue attemp by an out of position military group went poorly, as the equipment did not
have the proper equipment for the region, and got into a sand strom that disabled the helicopters.
Valiant atempt, poor timing - and a worse case of bad luck.
Carter takes the hit for doing the best he could under adverse circumstances.
Secret deals behind the back of the Carter administration, bordering on treason, got the hostages released
as part of the inaugration of Reagan, theatriical arangement for political display, miscarriage of patriotism.
Since leaving the office of the president, Mr. Carter has done more for the United States than he was
permitted to do while in office, and has contributed more for the good of America than ALL OTHER
PRESIDENTS COMBINED. Religous, honest, caring, helpful, and still people take cheap shots.
I have more respect for Carter than I have for any other President who served in my lifetime, although
Jerry Ford actually did a very good job - under the circumstances that were dumped on him.
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They all blend but the basics are here
Liberals and conservatives generally share the same political principles, differing only on their degree. For example, both believe in a public and private sector, but liberals call for a larger government, conservatives a smaller one. Similarly, both parties generally believe in all the tenets listed below; this list simply shows which end of the spectrum each resides on.
Liberals...........Conservatives
--------------------------------
Collectivism...........Individualism
Change........... Tradition
Science...........Religion
Inclusiveness...........Exclusiveness
Democracy...........Constitutionalism
Equality...........Merit
Public Sector...........Private Sector
Pacifism...........Armed Deterrence
They also represent their own special interest groups:
Liberals Conservatives
--------------------------------
Workers...........Business management and owners
The Poor...........The Rich
Women........... Men
Minorities...........Whites
Academics...........Christians
Environmentalists ...........Industry
Artists...........Police and Military
Gun control ...........Gun owners
advocates
Liberals and conservatives generally share the same political principles, differing only on their degree. For example, both believe in a public and private sector, but liberals call for a larger government, conservatives a smaller one. Similarly, both parties generally believe in all the tenets listed below; this list simply shows which end of the spectrum each resides on.
Liberals...........Conservatives
--------------------------------
Collectivism...........Individualism
Change........... Tradition
Science...........Religion
Inclusiveness...........Exclusiveness
Democracy...........Constitutionalism
Equality...........Merit
Public Sector...........Private Sector
Pacifism...........Armed Deterrence
They also represent their own special interest groups:
Liberals Conservatives
--------------------------------
Workers...........Business management and owners
The Poor...........The Rich
Women........... Men
Minorities...........Whites
Academics...........Christians
Environmentalists ...........Industry
Artists...........Police and Military
Gun control ...........Gun owners
advocates
"Secret deals behind the back of the Carter administration, bordering on treason, got the hostages released
as part of the inaugration of Reagan, theatriical arangement for political display, miscarriage of patriotism."
It could as easily be argued they were released as a show both against Carter, and for Reagan, who was definitely seen as someone not only going to take a "humaitarian" approach to international diplomacy as Carter tried.
What else to know about Carter, 1st president born in a hospital, liked peanuts, drunk for a brother, couldn't even get a job asa lobbyist after his term, wound up being an ordinary housebuilder, what a loser, lol.
Doesn't it make complete sense that there are only 2 sides to every issue, and that each group claims their position on every one is the right one.........
as part of the inaugration of Reagan, theatriical arangement for political display, miscarriage of patriotism."
It could as easily be argued they were released as a show both against Carter, and for Reagan, who was definitely seen as someone not only going to take a "humaitarian" approach to international diplomacy as Carter tried.
What else to know about Carter, 1st president born in a hospital, liked peanuts, drunk for a brother, couldn't even get a job asa lobbyist after his term, wound up being an ordinary housebuilder, what a loser, lol.
Doesn't it make complete sense that there are only 2 sides to every issue, and that each group claims their position on every one is the right one.........
I think the test was pretty good, got me just a bit left of moderate at "Liberal." I think it's very accurate.
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