What makes McCain a hero?

DrPizza

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Okay, I've heard that he's a hero. The social studies teacher at our school constantly refers to him as a hero. I tried to find out WHY he's a hero, but unfortunately, I must suck at googling because all my attempts run into biased opinions. Would one of you McCain fans please explain why he is a hero? I asked for this in another thread & it went unanswered for several days.

This is the information I have to work with:
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Would someone please point to some sources that aren't so negatively biased toward McCain?
 

Farang

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He refused to go before other prisoners and ended up staying another 5 years in prison. I'm not going to give an opinion on it but I think it mostly revolves around that.
 

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Originally posted by: Farang
He refused to go before other prisoners and ended up staying another 5 years in prison. I'm not going to give an opinion on it but I think it mostly revolves around that.
As part of that agreement he would have had to say things that his captives wanted said.

Next?

 

Stiganator

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I wouldn't refer to him as a hero, but rather as a POW. He didn't do anything heroic to my knowledge. If you single handedly held off a battalion of enemy soldiers so your platoon could escape, that would be heroic. Getting shot down and being a POW for several years, while sucking severely is not being heroic. It's job related danger/injury.

That being said, serving your country in the military or otherwise is a good thing. Props to him for being a soldier. I think he's just exploiting it more than a little bit.
 

nageov3t

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I know Karl Rove is a worthless sack of shit unless he's saying something that democrats agree with, but reading this article last spring stood out for me:

Mr. Day relayed to me one of the stories Americans should hear. It involves what happened to him after escaping from a North Vietnamese prison during the war. When he was recaptured, a Vietnamese captor broke his arm and said, "I told you I would make you a cripple."

The break was designed to shatter Mr. Day's will. He had survived in prison on the hope that one day he would return to the United States and be able to fly again. To kill that hope, the Vietnamese left part of a bone sticking out of his arm, and put him in a misshapen cast. This was done so that the arm would heal at "a goofy angle," as Mr. Day explained. Had it done so, he never would have flown again.

But it didn't heal that way because of John McCain. Risking severe punishment, Messrs. McCain and Day collected pieces of bamboo in the prison courtyard to use as a splint. Mr. McCain put Mr. Day on the floor of their cell and, using his foot, jerked the broken bone into place. Then, using strips from the bandage on his own wounded leg and the bamboo, he put Mr. Day's splint in place.

Years later, Air Force surgeons examined Mr. Day and complimented the treatment he'd gotten from his captors. Mr. Day corrected them. It was Dr. McCain who deserved the credit. Mr. Day went on to fly again.

Another story I heard over dinner with the Days involved Mr. McCain serving as one of the three chaplains for his fellow prisoners. At one point, after being shuttled among different prisons, Mr. Day had found himself as the most senior officer at the Hanoi Hilton. So he tapped Mr. McCain to help administer religious services to the other prisoners.

Today, Mr. Day, a very active 83, still vividly recalls Mr. McCain's sermons. "He remembered the Episcopal liturgy," Mr. Day says, "and sounded like a bona fide preacher." One of Mr. McCain's first sermons took as its text Luke 20:25 and Matthew 22:21, "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's." Mr. McCain said he and his fellow prisoners shouldn't ask God to free them, but to help them become the best people they could be while serving as POWs. It was Caesar who put them in prison and Caesar who would get them out. Their task was to act with honor.

Another McCain story, somewhat better known, is about the Vietnamese practice of torturing him by tying his head between his ankles with his arms behind him, and then leaving him for hours. The torture so badly busted up his shoulders that to this day Mr. McCain can't raise his arms over his head.

One night, a Vietnamese guard loosened his bonds, returning at the end of his watch to tighten them again so no one would notice. Shortly after, on Christmas Day, the same guard stood beside Mr. McCain in the prison yard and drew a cross in the sand before erasing it. Mr. McCain later said that when he returned to Vietnam for the first time after the war, the only person he really wanted to meet was that guard.

Mr. Day recalls with pride Mr. McCain stubbornly refusing to accept special treatment or curry favor to be released early, even when gravely ill. Mr. McCain knew the Vietnamese wanted the propaganda victory of the son and grandson of Navy admirals accepting special treatment. "He wasn't corruptible then," Mr. Day says, "and he's not corruptible today."

http://online.wsj.com/public/a...20951606847454685.html

none of which, of course, distracts from disagreeing with the vast majority of his policies.
 

Pepsei

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actually, he served the country, that makes him, in my opinion, more of a hero than bush.
 

Stiganator

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Those stories were new too me. I have more respect for him as a person now, but still not down with his policies.
 

I Saw OJ

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Originally posted by: Farang
He refused to go before other prisoners and ended up staying another 5 years in prison. I'm not going to give an opinion on it but I think it mostly revolves around that.

What he doesnt tell you is that in order to go home he would have had to give the north Vietcong information about US activity and what not, if he would have done that he might have faced a court martial back home.
 

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Mr. Day recalls with pride Mr. McCain stubbornly refusing to accept special treatment or curry favor to be released early, even when gravely ill. Mr. McCain knew the Vietnamese wanted the propaganda victory of the son and grandson of Navy admirals accepting special treatment.
I was under the impression that many soldiers were offered early release, but were ordered not to accept it.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Pepsei
actually, he served the country, that makes him, in my opinion, more of a hero than bush.

I agree with this statement.

However, I still am not voting for him because I dislike the right wing agenda he and Palin promote.
 

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Well, certainly I don't know what the real story of his military career is. Some say there is a large amount of mythology...it doesn't make any difference to me with regards to my vote.

It's his actions now--directly related to his presidential campaign where I focus, and I've made an opinion based on his campaign management. Hero or not.
 

mugs

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He refused to give information to North Vietnam and was tortured because of it. He accepted intense physical pain rather than giving up information that could have cost the lives of our service men. That's good enough to qualify as a war hero in my book. What more do you want? :confused:
 

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Well he had a choice, accept early release and be a source of shame to his father or stay and be treated with kid gloves by his captures as once they found out who he was they stopped treating him with the brutality that the other POWs endured. A lessor man would have dealt with the shame for his freedom but there were those who stuck it out and didn't make it out because they weren't treated with leniency because they weren't a son of an important American Military leader. Now those guys are the real heroes.

Even in times of trial it seems McCain received preferential treatment as he did in the Academy and in the Service. He's what John Fogerty referred to as a "Fortunate Son" in the song of the same title.

Also a real hero would put his country first instead of doing something that could put her in peril but advance his fortunes. That's what McCain did when he picked Palin as his VP.
 

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the guy was a shitty pilot and a drunkard privileged party boy riding on his daddy's coattails.

he is no hero.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
he didn't do anything more than almost every other POW did.
Well like them he did endure great hardship either for country or more likely in his case for personal advancement but that's neither here nor there. America needs heroes.

 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: mugs
He refused to give information to North Vietnam and was tortured because of it. He accepted intense physical pain rather than giving up information that could have cost the lives of our service men. That's good enough to qualify as a war hero in my book. What more do you want? :confused:

From all accounts that I've heard, he broke, like a large number of the other prisoners, and he was also treated a little more softly once they knew who his father was. (geez, and who told them that??)
 

theeedude

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He was a hero and a man of honor, but he had a tragic metamorphosis recently, IMO.
Some of us who felt a great deal of respect and admiration for him in 2000 are still shocked by the transformation.
 

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In a time when most of our prominent politicians dodged active duty, what he did seems almost heroic.
 

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
What makes McCain a hero?

His past... Unfortunately for him, his present is anything but heroic. Its small, petty, dishonest, greedy and totally transparent.
 

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What do we really know about John McCain and why doesn't the press investigate. He spent 5 years or so in close association with Communists and terrorists. Was he turned as a Soviet spy to become President and refuse to answer the red phone? Was he a victim of Stockholm Syndrome and North Vietnamese sympathizer. We just don't know but we need to know and we need the press to investigate. McCain should have his mental state tested for brainwashing effects. There can be no room for any doubt about the patriotism of a man running for president, especially one not even born and not drawing his first breath of pure fresh pure American air instead of the filthy vapors of some banana republic.
 

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I agree with some of the above, anyone who serves the country in the Military is a hero IMO.