What libertarians think about Terri Schiavo hoopla (greatest rant ever)

Phokus

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Greatest. Rant. Ever. This is probably the most hillarious commentary of this subject i've heard yet.

http://www.johnandkenshow.com/audio/files/lousheldon.wma

"I'm actually enjoying yelling at you!"

"Are you talkin' over top of me?????!?!" "Of course I am!"

hahahahahahaha

This is like listening to rush or hannity (without the stupidity).

Note: if you don't want to listen to the whole thing, the best part starts at 13:40 minutes.

I don't think i could keep my logical flow like john does while yelling at the top of my lungs like that, lol.

 

Yo Ma Ma

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I guess the radio topic just isn't interesting enough until he starts flaming the guest.

My husband would want to be disconnected from life-support, but not starved and dehydrated to death. It's barbaric.
 

Rainsford

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I love the part right at the beginning where the guest was complaining about bad judges, not seeming to understand how exactly our legal system works. In fact, I think everyone who wants to complain about our judicial branch first needs to take some Civics 101.
 

Insomniak

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God I love the Libertarians. Probably the only sane political party left.

I like how he called the Reverened out for trying to change the subject all the time. I also like how he made the point that he would support whoever won in court. If the Schindlers had won 20+ court cases, I would have nothing to say...just like those who oppose the current situation have no points.

And yeah...that was kind of crispy.

Here's hoping that blowback he mentioned at the end comes around sooner rather than later :thumbsup:

Edit: Wow, just got to the end. Sheldon got steamrolled. That was hardcore ownage.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: Yo_Ma-Ma
I guess the radio topic just isn't interesting enough until he starts flaming the guest.

My husband would want to be disconnected from life-support, but not starved and dehydrated to death. It's barbaric.

Artificial nutrition and hydration are forms of life support. The Supreme Court has ruled it's identical to respiratory, cardiac, or renal support.

Let me give a quick synopsis of why Schiavo is not suffering:
We have two basic states that matter; wakefulness and consciousness. You must be awake to be conscious with the notable exception of dream states where varying levels of wakefulness and consciousness exist. Drugs (anesthetics, sedatives, hallucinogens, etc) can also manipulate wake and conscious states.

Schiavo is not in a coma. In a coma, a person lacks wakefulness and consciousness. These people require respiratory support b/c the respiratory center is located in the brainstem . . . same location as neural pathways that regulate wakefulness. They require nutritional/hydration support b/c the ability to feed requires coordinated activity between cranial nerves and the cerebral cortex . . . the cortex is required for consciousness. This means a person in a coma isn't hungry, isn't thirsty, and doesn't feel pain b/c all of those functions REQUIRE processing by the cerebral cortex. A healthy dose of ketamine (dissociative anesthetic) doesn't do anything for pain but you no longer care and won't remember. In essence, a drug induced form of altered consciousness.

Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state. In PVS, a person has wakefulness (sleep/wake cycles) but lacks consciousness. Accordingly, she sleeps, wakes up, blinks, may even moan but she is not conscious. She lacks the desire and ability to eat b/c she doesn't know she's hungry. The same is true for thirst.

If Schiavo was existing in a minimally conscious state; ie some tiny shred of evidence she has some degree of consciousness . . . doctors would manage support withdrawal by providing palliative care (ice chips from dry mouth/lips, analgesics for pain, sedatives for sleep). Pain is NEVER a necessary component of death. Further, the organ failure (renal followed by cardiac) that will cause her death doesn't cause pain. Regardless of what Rush believes, OxyContin was never designed to get people high . . . it's an excellent means of controlling pain. A healthy dose of a barbituate (phenobarbital - seizure medication), not only induces sleep but it can suppress respiration enough to hasten death . . . a good physician knows how to cook up a quality palliative care plan.

I've been very disappointed by the alleged medical professionals that have misrepresented Schiavo's condition, prognosis, and process of her death. I have no expectation that laypersons like DeLay, the Schindlers, the two Bushes, Lou Sheldon) would understand what's going on. But even a mediocre physician should be in the ballpark.
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Does anyone have a text transcript of that? I want to send that to some friends.

That'd take a long time to type.

Honestly though, would they really read the whole thing? :p

It'd probably be better if you just wanted excerpts from it :p
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Does anyone have a text transcript of that? I want to send that to some friends.

That'd take a long time to type.

Honestly though, would they really read the whole thing? :p

It'd probably be better if you just wanted excerpts from it :p

Well, not the whole thing, just the last five minutes or so. I agree completely with what he had to say, and a number of my closest friends are strong, active Christians.

I just sent my friends a link to the actual radio piece.
 

Riprorin

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This woman was was diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state too and also had her feedong tube removed.

Check her out now:

Link

One difference between her and Terri: she had a a "loving husband's support and years of rehabilitation."
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
This woman was was diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state too and also had her feedong tube removed.

Check her out now:

Link

One difference between her and Terri: she had a a "loving husband's support and years of rehabilitation."

Terri isn't coming back.
 

JackStorm

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Haha...Man...The way the Rev tried to worm his way out of answering their questions was pathetic. It was so painfully obvious that he would stick his nose into other peoples business even if the persons wish was documented and there were witnesses.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
This woman was was diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state too and also had her feedong tube removed.

Check her out now:

Link

One difference between her and Terri: she had a a "loving husband's support and years of rehabilitation."

Terri isn't coming back.

And you can say this with certainty because...?
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
This woman was was diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state too and also had her feedong tube removed.

Check her out now:

Link

One difference between her and Terri: she had a a "loving husband's support and years of rehabilitation."

Terri isn't coming back.

And you can say this with certainty because...?

And it's yours (or anybody's business) because....?
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: Riprorin

And you can say this with certainty because...?

There are other threads for discussing that.

Go post in those.

But to answer your question.

One difference between her and Terri: she had a a "loving husband's support and years of rehabilitation."

No amount of rehab will ever replace a cerebral cortex.
 

classy

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I love the Lord Jesus, I truly do, but he is right on most of what he said. I think it has been a disgrace what folks have done concerning this young woman. The marriage of this husband and wife should have been respected, simple as that.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Riprorin

And you can say this with certainty because...?

There are other threads for discussing that.

Go post in those.

But to answer your question.

One difference between her and Terri: she had a a "loving husband's support and years of rehabilitation."

No amount of rehab will ever replace a cerebral cortex.

Don't you think the best diagonostic tools should be used to make that diagnosis?

Why then have Shiavo and his attorney refused MRI and PET scans?
 

classy

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Riprorin

And you can say this with certainty because...?

There are other threads for discussing that.

Go post in those.

But to answer your question.

One difference between her and Terri: she had a a "loving husband's support and years of rehabilitation."

No amount of rehab will ever replace a cerebral cortex.

Don't you think the best diagonostic tools should be used to make that diagnosis?

Why then have Shiavo and his attorney refused MRI and PET scans?

This woman has been diagnosed throughly, its rather silly to continue such a stupid arguement. So is the issue of money, it is clear money is not the issue with her husband either. I would think it is clear he wants to fulfill his wife's wishes and has fought for over 15 years to do so.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
This woman was was diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state too and also had her feedong tube removed.

Check her out now:

Link

One difference between her and Terri: she had a a "loving husband's support and years of rehabilitation."

Shockingly, this woman's condition appears to have been absolutely nothing like Terri's, as she was clearly conscious and able to communicate by blinking (at least, according to her own testimonial).