What kept me from taking veganism seriously is because i found youtube

[Naer]

vegans to be unattractive. So in my mind, i rationalized that veganism makes you unattractive. What i didn't take into account was that they were just looking their "best". I'm not ever going full vegan tho. I think balance is key

 

[Crono]

I'm glad your extensive research has turned up this fact.

Just based on Instagram, I'd say most vegans are just like everyone else. There is a higher percentage of women, though, and perhaps I'd say a higher percentage of HCLF vegans are attractive, younger women, but that might just be among the vegans I know and follow.

If anything, this probably says something about YouTubers. (I kid, I kid)

 

[Mayne]

I hate fucking vegans.

 

[Crono]

I hate fucking vegans.

I'd wager none of them want to fuck you, either.

 

[Mayne]

punctuation for the win lol

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Vegans are OK, but they need to stay out of the way when I'm eyeballing that cow for grill.

 

[DigDog]

i can make veganism attractive if you want.

"i have a mental defect which i rationalized in not eating meat, however i discovered that abstaining from meat has, because of some ancillary reasons, resulted in a healthier life" (medical disclaimers following).

i'm really sorry for those people who follow prey to the sound logic of veganism. "i train 2 hours a day, do not eat sugar, smoke, drink alcohol or coffee, no drugs, i spend 50% of my wage on my food bill, and i'm healthy: ALL THANKS TO VEGANISM, nothing to do with the higher quality of food, or the exercise, or not using well known shit that poisons you".

veganism is just a diet. there's other diets out there that are just as effective, and you don't have to deal with idiots who think they have discovered science.

 

[BudAshes]

I really hate vegan bashers. I've never been vegan or even vegetarian, but I the amount of hate I see for people who don't eat meat is ridiculous. It's even worse because they take every chance to bash vegans and vegetarians and then claim it's because vegans/vegetarians can't shut up about their diet. Apparently the irony of these statements is lost on them.

 

[Exterous]

I really hate vegan bashers. I've never been vegan or even vegetarian, but I the amount of hate I see for people who don't eat meat is ridiculous. It's even worse because they take every chance to bash vegans and vegetarians and then claim it's because vegans/vegetarians can't shut up about their diet. Apparently the irony of these statements is lost on them.

I'm going to complain about people complaining about things because complaining about things is bad unless its me complaining about things!

 

[Crono]

i can make veganism attractive if you want.

"i have a mental defect which i rationalized in not eating meat, however i discovered that abstaining from meat has, because of some ancillary reasons, resulted in a healthier life" (medical disclaimers following).

i'm really sorry for those people who follow prey to the sound logic of veganism. "i train 2 hours a day, do not eat sugar, smoke, drink alcohol or coffee, no drugs, i spend 50% of my wage on my food bill, and i'm healthy: ALL THANKS TO VEGANISM, nothing to do with the higher quality of food, or the exercise, or not using well known shit that poisons you".

veganism is just a diet. there's other diets out there that are just as effective, and you don't have to deal with idiots who think they have discovered science.

There have been plenty of studies on vegan diets. I wouldn't say they are the absolute healthiest because it always depends on what your goals are (weight loss, overall health, reducing cancer and disease risks, etc). A vegan diet happens to be very good across the board, though.

I can post the studies, but it's all too easy to be accused of cherry picking or argue over methodology, so I'll just say go look at the studies and decide for yourself. For the record, I didn't become a vegan because I wanted to hug cows or "save the planet" or whatever it is people think is the reason vegans are vegans. I'm not looking to "convert" people, either (repent you meat eating heathens! ).

There are balanced diets that include meat and dairy that have been studied and shown to be similarly benericial for overall health, but they all involve a lot less meat (but often more fish, as the Mediterranean and traditional Japanese diet do) than the typical American diet, and include a lot more nuts, seeds, legumes, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. There is no perfect diet, but less processed foods do clearly make a difference to health.

I feel sorry for someone who feels sorry for someone who doesn't need someone feeling sorry for him or her.

 

[Crono]

I really hate vegan bashers. I've never been vegan or even vegetarian, but I the amount of hate I see for people who don't eat meat is ridiculous. It's even worse because they take every chance to bash vegans and vegetarians and then claim it's because vegans/vegetarians can't shut up about their diet. Apparently the irony of these statements is lost on them.

It's funny because you see the same sort of scenario with atheists and Christians (which I am).

No one likes preachy vegans, by the way, not even other vegans. People who are passionate or overenthusiastic about something tend to annoy other people (Apple fanboys, anyone? ) - such is life. Maybe there's an argument to be made for not giving a crap...

 

[Red Squirrel]

I've never had an issue with vegans myself, if anything I respect them for their choice and ability to stick to it. It's actually a more sustainable way of living. Why grow food so we can feed our food, when we can just grow food to feed ourselves directly. Any time I see pictures of inside factory farms or slaughterhouses I wonder if I should go vegan because I hate to support that terrible industry. The more traditional farming methods were not so bad, at least most farmers respected the animals all the way to the end. But with factory farms it's basically torture camp. It's horrible.

 

[DigDog]

I feel sorry for someone who feels sorry for someone who doesn't need someone feeling sorry for him or her.

i'm sorry that you feel sorry for someone who feels sorry for someone who doesn't need someone feeling sorry for him.

however, going back to what *i* said, (and since i'm not canadian) i feel sorry for people who stumble on youtube videos of vegans spouting demi-science, that - since it has a fragment of actual science stuck in it - can actually convince them that veganism has a science background. i've had to endure endless tirades on how humans are not carnivores (they are not - they are omnivores) and therefore, for some fantastic leap of logic, eating meat is bad for them, from people who do not understand, well, just about anything about science. i don't think they could explain the scientific method, or .. gravity .. or the laws of thermodynamics. i mean, never mind the fact that HERBIVORES eat meat when they can, except it's kinda hard to hunt when you're a cow.

back in the days vegans were only deeply disturbed people. nowadays there's a whole bunch of people who do not have the same mental problems, and yet eat vegan, because "science".

 

[Crono]

i'm sorry that you feel sorry for someone who feels sorry for someone who doesn't need someone feeling sorry for him.

however, going back to what *i* said, (and since i'm not canadian) i feel sorry for people who stumble on youtube videos of vegans spouting demi-science, that - since it has a fragment of actual science stuck in it - can actually convince them that veganism has a science background. i've had to endure endless tirades on how humans are not carnivores (they are not - they are omnivores) and therefore, for some fantastic leap of logic, eating meat is bad for them, from people who do not understand, well, just about anything about science. i don't think they could explain the scientific method, or .. gravity .. or the laws of thermodynamics. i mean, never mind the fact that HERBIVORES eat meat when they can, except it's kinda hard to hunt when you're a cow.

back in the days vegans were only deeply disturbed people. nowadays there's a whole bunch of people who do not have the same mental problems, and yet eat vegan, because "science".

None of this has anything to do with veganism specifically. Those casual dieters latch on to anything. That's why Paleo (which *is* bullshit) and gluten-free (for anyone who doesn't have Celiac disease or other form of allergy or sensitivity to gluten) took off like crazy. Vegan diets aren't even necessarily expensive - it can be much, much cheaper than eating out, for instance.

I have no problem with your argument, just don't lump all vegans together. Even aside from the YouTubers, there are ton of different types of vegans to match the different motivations. There are also "part time" vegans (supposedly Naer is "80% vegan" now) and ones who have "cheat days".

 

[bradly1101]

There have been plenty of studies on vegan diets. I wouldn't say they are the absolute healthiest because it always depends on what your goals are (weight loss, overall health, reducing cancer and disease risks, etc). A vegan diet happens to be very good across the board, though.

I can post the studies, but it's all too easy to be accused of cherry picking or argue over methodology, so I'll just say go look at the studies and decide for yourself. For the record, I didn't become a vegan because I wanted to hug cows or "save the planet" or whatever it is people think is the reason vegans are vegans. I'm not looking to "convert" people, either (repent you meat eating heathens! ).

There are balanced diets that include meat and dairy that have been studied and shown to be similarly benericial for overall health, but they all involve a lot less meat (but often more fish, as the Mediterranean and traditional Japanese diet do) than the typical American diet, and include a lot more nuts, seeds, legumes, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. There is no perfect diet, but less processed foods do clearly make a difference to health.

I feel sorry for someone who feels sorry for someone who doesn't need someone feeling sorry for him or her.

Also look at the preponderance of evidence that shows the link between red meat and cancer risk.

 

[cbrunny]

id rather hang out with a vegan than someone spouting that paleo nonsense.

 

[Red Squirrel]

id rather hang out with a vegan than someone spouting that paleo nonsense.

Loooool I got a coworker who is into that. It's a rather interesting diet to say the least. So many things they can't eat, including lot of fruits, but yet things that are normally considered bad for you like bacon are considered a health food. lol.

 

[DigDog]

don't lump all vegans together. There are also "part time" vegans (supposedly Naer is "80% vegan" now) and ones who have "cheat days".

i can assure you nobody reasonable finds offensive these people. what infuriates people is the argument "eating meat is MORALLY wrong, therefore SCIENCE". there's parts of india that have been vegan for centuries, but they don't offend anyone because it's evident that it's a religion. and a religion is only good for those who follow it, for everyone else it's easy to dismiss. modern, first world veganism hasn't changed, but they are now trying to pass it as a fact that veganism is the natural state of humans, backing it up with various bits of information from our digestive tract, teeth, and so on. that's about 20% of what's pissing people off. the rest is that chick in the video saying "meat eaters make me sick", which is possibly what started the trend of people actually looking into veganism and pointing out why it's utter crap. people eat meat because it's what our species does; nobody likes being attacked for being right. it's the difference between a buddhist saying Namaste and a muslim saying Death To America. slight difference, but it's there.

 

[Muse]

I really hate vegan bashers. I've never been vegan or even vegetarian, but I the amount of hate I see for people who don't eat meat is ridiculous. It's even worse because they take every chance to bash vegans and vegetarians and then claim it's because vegans/vegetarians can't shut up about their diet. Apparently the irony of these statements is lost on them.

[edit: Point of perspective, where I live vegetarians of various types, including veganism, considerably, is/are rather common]

Funny, I can't remember encountering these antipathies, for or against veganism, which as I understand it is just a declension of vegetarianism, a subset of it.

I've never been a vegetarian, however I don't eat a lot of meat. I'm kind of take it or leave it. I don't really think much about it. Sometimes I observe, after the fact, that I haven't eaten meat for a few meals, but it's not something I think about, just realize it in reflecting on my eating habits. I drink a fair amount of non fat milk, some eggs, occasional cheese. I try to eat some beef daily, not a lot, because a doctor some years ago said I should to counter my borderline anemia. That condition has improved, but my blood counts are still toward the low end of the acceptable spectrum. Yeah, I do the green leafy vegetables too, etc. but I don't think that's enough.

 

[lxskllr]

I'm alright with vegans. I'd never recommend it, but what people eat isn't my business other than giving them shit on internet boards. My daughter said she wanted to be vegetarian. I said "Great! It isn't hard, but it can be done wrong. Just watch what you eat"(BTW, that experiment failed(For various reasons)). If she told me she wanted to be vegan, I'd have counseled against it. Veganism is like vegetarianism^10. You have to put work into making sure you get the right nutrition, and imo, it's an unnatural state. Thought shouldn't be required to eat in the natural world. You should be able to get proper nutrition by getting a little of this and a little of that as it presents itself. *We evolved to have the bulk of our diet easy to get plants, supplemented by stolen eggs, fish, and animals which are non trivial to collect. Most bodies have evolved with that profile, and I think that's how they do best.

*There's a few exceptions for the pedants out there. Inuit are pretty notable for eating almost all meat, but they're an insulated culture that's eaten the same thing for thousands of years. The average person in a temperate climate wouldn't do well on an Inuit diet

 

[PeterScott]

vegans to be unattractive. So in my mind, i rationalized that veganism makes you unattractive. What i didn't take into account was that they were just looking their "best". I'm not ever going full vegan tho. I think balance is key

Well at least you didn't choose a superficial reason.

Do note that many, if not most, people who identify as Vegan are Vegan for ethical (animal rights) reasons. They are part of the crowd that don't use cosmetics that are tested on animals, spend more time at protests, than working on hairstyles. So they look more like modern hippies than made up celebrities..

That being stated, I am going more vegetarian, and looking for recipes on youtube, I see tons of beautiful Vegan girls (and Vegan guys with muscle mass) sharing recipes.

 

[BoomerD]

It's the complete lack of tasty meat that keeps me from taking veganism or vegetarianism seriously...

I mean...really...if we weren't meant to eat meat...why does it taste so damned good?

 

[PeterScott]

It's the complete lack of tasty meat that keeps me from taking veganism or vegetarianism seriously...

I mean...really...if we weren't meant to eat meat...why does it taste so damned good?

Part of that is learned response, and part of it is being evolved for a world of scarcity.

In a world of scarcity, it is an evolutionary advantage to have a drive to eat highly calorie dense food sources (fats and sugars), and it is really the fat in meat that drives meat desire.

But in a world of abundance it's a disadvantage, hence we have an epidemic of overweight people scarfing fats/sugars.