What issue would unite people on the right and the left

[Moonbeam]

Are you related to McOwned?

The Borg asks

 

[Moonbeam]

Is spittle actually flying out of your mouth as you furiously pound the keyboard typing silliness like the above? Do you think it makes any kind of valid point or actually helps your supposed stated goal of "What issue would unite people on the right and the left"? Evidently the only way we could unite on something is to accept your viewpoint or be subject to a barage of gutter speak in lieu of an actual point.

I type slow because of tears of laughter. You were the one who brought garbage nobody would unite around and you knew that or would have, had you thought about it real real deep.

Let's see if anybody else here thinks equality of opportunity vs outcome isn't a partisan issue.

 

[Mursilis]

I think probably 90+% of Americans would support a balanced budget amendment, or a federal spending cap amendment. I think about 1% of politicians support it however.

I agree with both statements. Of course, the next obvious question is, if a balanced budget is truly important to us, why do we continually elect politicians who don't share that view? Personally, I've concluded that it's like dieting; we all want to be thin, but no one wants to give up fatty foods. We want balanced budgets in theory, but aren't willing to give up any benefits for it, or pay higher taxes.

 

[Mursilis]

They buy it because we hate ourselves and do not know it. We FEEL that is what we deserve, but it is not what we deserve. If you knew you hated yourself and did the work to undo that, your world view about what you deserve would completely change. It is a total lie that we are worthless like we feel and do not know we feel.

Oh, I know I'm not worthless - school and society and such told me I'm special. Super special. A special little snowflake, unique and wonderful, just like all the others.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Moonie...do you really care about uniting on the issues...especially when it means that you may have to compromise? You're divisive at every turn and apparently take great joy in it. So...to answer your question...IMO there is no issue that would unite people on the left or right as long as this type of mentality exists.

 

[Mursilis]

I'm suggesting a war of money buying law instead of the will of the people determining it.

Will of the people? The people don't know what the heck they want, except maybe more reality TV and more items on the value menu at McDonald's. Oh, and free health care for when their hearts explode.

 

[Atreus21]

Not possible.

In my opinion the notion that speech is money, the ability of the rich and corporations to buy law via campaign contributions has created a corporatocracy rather than a democracy. It seems to me that folk on the left, the average person on the street, would agree with this.

The average person on the street might also realize that speech isn't money, but advertising paid for with money is speech.

Your thoughts?

I am thinking, again, that we not only need change, but we need to figure out how, if at all, we can change.

I am thinking that the hard point of a sword can pierce armor if driven straight in with great force.

If enough people could take just one issue and focus without distraction, the people could force change.

Is there such an issue?

Well, if you really want to promote a dialog, we could begin with what you want changed.

 

[Jaskalas]

Well, if you really want to promote a dialog, we could begin with what you want changed.

I believe in pluraity and parallels. There should be no one set of laws to govern all, for not all can agree on their set of laws. Divide us by State and let us vote by our feet. Agree to disagree - live and let live. Allow States to have their rights.

Have States collect their tax money, and then OPT to give their share to the Union. This single act would forever free our people from the vices that now grip them and corrupt their leaders.

If certain parts of the nation desire socialist bankruptcy, if some want to thump the bible, if some just want to be left alone, then I say let them. Let our people be free.

 

[zsdersw]

I believe in pluraity and parallels. There should be no one set of laws to govern all, for not all can agree on their set of laws. Divide us by State and let us vote by our feet. Agree to disagree - live and let live. Allow States to have their rights.

Have States collect their tax money, and then OPT to give their share to the Union. This single act would forever free our people from the vices that now grip them and corrupt their leaders.

If certain parts of the nation desire socialist bankruptcy, if some want to thump the bible, if some just want to be left alone, then I say let them. Let our people be free.

I agree with this principle in general, but it quickly can become a slippery slope. Why do we need to make division at the state level? Why not the county/parrish level? Why not the city/village/township level?

There are times when we're 50 states and times when we're one nation. It wasn't Florida or Texas that won World War 2 or brought an end to slavery.

 

[Mursilis]

There are times when we're 50 states and times when we're one nation. It wasn't Florida or Texas that won World War 2 or brought an end to slavery.

True enough, but maybe it should be Florida or Texas running (or ruining) their own schools, etc.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonie...do you really care about uniting on the issues...especially when it means that you may have to compromise? You're divisive at every turn and apparently take great joy in it. So...to answer your question...IMO there is no issue that would unite people on the left or right as long as this type of mentality exists.

Why does everybody say a war would unite us then. What is that damn saying? "We are all assholes in a fox hole!"?

I have a hard time believing some backward 6 fingered hick from the south isn't as aware as I am that money is fucking our system. Shit, even I know the difference between 6 fingers and suction cups, by brothers against the alien scourge.

Edit: alchemize also has 6 fingers and his contribution was real real good.

 

[zsdersw]

True enough, but maybe it should be Florida or Texas running (or ruining) their own schools, etc.

That won't work in as connected, as dependent, and as mobile of a society as ours has become. It can be done for a few specific things, but not major systems.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not possible.



The average person on the street might also realize that speech isn't money, but advertising paid for with money is speech.



Well, if you really want to promote a dialog, we could begin with what you want changed.

Advertizing is not an easy thing to address. Advertizers are going to advertise against taking away the right to advertise.

That is why I confine my argument to a single sword point to begin with. I think a majority of folk would like to stop the rich and corporations from buying the government, that an issue like that if focused on with single minded determination, could win. How such determination could become a reality is part of what I'm after and thinking about here.

 

[JockoJohnson]

I type slow because of tears of laughter. You were the one who brought garbage nobody would unite around and you knew that or would have, had you thought about it real real deep.

Let's see if anybody else here thinks equality of opportunity vs outcome isn't a partisan issue.

Why is it a partisan issue? Are there really people who would want to force an equal outcome no matter who or what is involved as opposed to the opportunity? I agree though, the suggestion will not unite people but how is it partisan?

 

[Linflas]

Why is it a partisan issue? Are there really people who would want to force an equal outcome no matter who or what is involved as opposed to the opportunity? I agree though, the suggestion will not unite people but how is it partisan?

I never claimed it would be an issue we would agree on, in fact just the opposite. Here is what he was responding to regarding that (bolding added):

2. If there is an issue that will unite those that desire as little government involvement as necessary in the daily lives of citizens and those that believe it is the duty of government to ensure equality of outcomes by whatever means necessary it eludes me.

The world view is so different between the two I really don't see how they can ever be reconciled.

 

[Moonbeam]

I never claimed it would be an issue we would agree on, in fact just the opposite. Here is what he was responding to regarding that (bolding added):



The world view is so different between the two I really don't see how they can ever be reconciled.

That's right. I remember now. You came in to say that between God fearing Christian saints and scum worshiping devils there could be no meetings of the mind. That was it. I got pissed off at your blind stupid bigotry, your bringing your stupid regurgitated formulaic bull shit into the thread. I realized you are a leper and then forgot why. You proved to be a worthless shit for a different reason than my last accusation. I owe you an apology and you will get it just as soon as I finish kicking myself in the ass.

 

[Linflas]

That's right. I remember now. You came in to say that between God fearing Christian saints and scum worshiping devils there could be no meetings of the mind. That was it. I got pissed off at your blind stupid bigotry, your bringing your stupid regurgitated formulaic bull shit into the thread. I realized you are a leper and then forgot why. You proved to be a worthless shit for a different reason than my last accusation. I owe you an apology and you will get it just as soon as I finish kicking myself in the ass.

Hopefully that won't cost you too many teeth...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

That's right. I remember now. You came in to say that between God fearing Christian saints and scum worshiping devils there could be no meetings of the mind. That was it. I got pissed off at your blind stupid bigotry, your bringing your stupid regurgitated formulaic bull shit into the thread. I realized you are a leper and then forgot why. You proved to be a worthless shit for a different reason than my last accusation. I owe you an apology and you will get it just as soon as I finish kicking myself in the ass.

LOL...what a coincidence...it seems that everyone who disagrees with you is a worthless piece of shit...what are the odds? You're too funny.

 

[werepossum]

Judging by the polls, the one issue that can unite left and right is disgust for, and fear of, the Democrats' health reform plans.

Though to be fair 9/11 united MOST Americans for a time. Only the very farthest left or right were anti-American or anti-patriotic right after that.

 

[Zebo]

Nambla no one likes kids being victimized. MADD, no one like drunk drivers. And someone attacking us usually get us going on solid footing. Everything else is fair game though, that's what makes it fun - what fun is it when everyone agrees w/ you?

 

[Brutus04]

China comes over here wanting their money and kicks our ass...

 

[NeoV]

leave it to wererat to showcase the mentality that prevents any issue - hypothetical or real - from uniting our forever fractured country:

"Judging by the polls, the one issue that can unite left and right is disgust for, and fear of, the Democrats' health reform plans."

no further testimony required

 

[nobodyknows]

One word:

corruption

It hurts every average joe oin the country but little if anything is done about it.

 

[Moonbeam]

LOL...what a coincidence...it seems that everyone who disagrees with you is a worthless piece of shit...what are the odds? You're too funny.

Collect all my posts where somebody disagreed with me and see how many of those posters I called a piece of shit. Please use your head and knock it off with the sweeping generalities. You are completely wrong about this, you dumb shit head.

 

[Moonbeam]

One word:

corruption

It hurts every average joe oin the country but little if anything is done about it.

The rich buying politicians is corruption in my opinion.