What is your view on partial-birth abortion?

[roy1928]

What is your view on partial-birth abortion?

Partial-birth abortion is a procedure wherein the baby is incompletely delivered, leaving its head within the mother. Then Penetrating the base of a late-term baby's skull so that it brain can be suction out (thereby collapsing its little head) prior to full delivery. The woman's cervix is forcefully and mechanically dilated, weakens the cervix and poses risks of miscarriage in future pregnancies. It is important to note that most of these abortions are performed on healthy babies carried by healthy mothers who choose to terminate their pregnancies for purely elective reasons.

Supporters of partial-birth abortion usually cite as their defence that it is only used as a last resort to protect the health of the mother. However, this myth was exposed when Ron Fitzsimmons, director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, told the New York Times, "In the vast majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother with a healthy foetus that is 20 weeks or more along." He estimated that there were between 3,000 and 5,000 partial-birth abortions performed in America each year.

John Kerry supports partial-birth abortion


people in the off topic forum have views on this to, you may like to see them.

 

[Machine350]

Terrorists bombings are more humane than partial birth abortions. Gruesome.

 

[ntdz]

absolutely should be banned. Sucking an 8 month old baby's brain out of its skull is not right...

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: Machine350
Terrorists bombings are more humane than partial birth abortions. Gruesome.

Yep gruesome prettymuch describes it. I call it infanticide.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: roy1928
John Kerry supports partial-birth abortion.

Can you document this claim?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: roy1928
John Kerry supports partial-birth abortion.

Can you document this claim?

yeah, considering he voted against a ban on partial birth abortion.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: roy1928
John Kerry supports partial-birth abortion.

Can you document this claim?

yeah, considering he voted against a ban on partial birth abortion.

So that makes Kerry for PBA? He said that he would have voted for it if it included an exclusion for the health of the mother. (I'm not arguing that there should or should not be an exclusion. I don't know what this health reason would be). It's not like Kerry is running around....hey, lets do a PBA today...I'm all for it!

PBA sucks. Plain and simple.

I'm not voting for Kerry based on one idea....but rather the whole picture.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: roy1928
John Kerry supports partial-birth abortion.

Can you document this claim?

yeah, considering he voted against a ban on partial birth abortion.

Jeez, should gubment wipe your bib and change your nappy too? Simply because he was against a federal ban on it does not mean that it actually supports it. I'm very much against partial-birth abortion, but that does not mean I would support a federal ban on it.

edit: IIRC, he was against simply because the proposed ban would not have excluded cases of rape or where the mother's health was in danger. Otherwise, he would have voted for the ban.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Engineer
So that makes Kerry for PBA? He said that he would have voted for it if it included an exclusion for the health of the mother. (I'm not arguing that there should or should not be an exclusion. I don't know what this health reason would be). It's not like Kerry is running around....hey, lets do a PBA today...I'm all for it!

PBA sucks. Plain and simple.

I'm not voting for Kerry based on one idea....but rather the whole picture.

If you vote against it, then you're for it. Why? Because this procedure simply isn't done to protect the life of the mother. If the reason were that the life of the mother were in danger due to pregnancy, simple induction of labor and subsequent delivery would solve the problem. If the delivery itself is the problem, then this procedure can't help, since it involves delivering the baby.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: roy1928
John Kerry supports partial-birth abortion.

Can you document this claim?

yeah, considering he voted against a ban on partial birth abortion.

So that makes Kerry for PBA? He said that he would have voted for it if it included an exclusion for the health of the mother. (I'm not arguing that there should or should not be an exclusion. I don't know what this health reason would be). It's not like Kerry is running around....hey, lets do a PBA today...I'm all for it!

PBA sucks. Plain and simple.

I'm not voting for Kerry based on one idea....but rather the whole picture.

only a liberal would try to spin his record into voting against a partial birth abortion ban into saying hes not for partial birth abortion. If he was really against partial birth abortion he would've voted with the majority to ban the murderous practice. His reasoning really makes sense. Lets allow people to suck the brain out of babies, but there is no way we should have the death penalty. Makes a whole lot of sense.

 

[daveshel]

There is a difference between being in favor of abortion and being opposed to government control of it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ntdz
only a liberal would try to spin his record into voting against a partial birth abortion ban into saying hes not for partial birth abortion. If he was really against partial birth abortion he would've voted with the majority to ban the murderous practice. His reasoning really makes sense. Lets allow people to suck the brain out of babies, but there is no way we should have the death penalty. Makes a whole lot of sense.

:roll: and only a neocon could doublethink such a ridiculous black-and-white situation.

Kill them now, kill them later, what's the difference?

 

[jtusa]

Abortion is murder, period.

 

[rickn]

It's a nasty practice, should only be used if the mothers life is in danger

 

[3chordcharlie]

i don't support pba except in cases of medical need. of course this is the normal use of the procedure so no, i don't support an outright ban.

 

[BDawg]

DX is a medical procedure. When a doctor decides it is the best procedure, it should be used. Congress should not be telling doctors what the best procedure for a situation is.

 

[nick1985]

it should be banned

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
i don't support pba except in cases of medical need. of course this is the normal use of the procedure so no, i don't support an outright ban.

Actually a PBA performed in cases of medical need (to protect the health of the mother) is the exception not the rule. The vast majority of partial birth abortions are performed as electives to terminate unwanted pregnancy. Kansas is the only state that keeps abortion statistics showing the reason why the abortion was performed.

The Kansas statistics show that of the 2,639 abortions past 22 weeks gestation (1,524 of them on viable babies) done since 1998 (when statistics began to be kept in this way) , NONE were done to prevent the death of the mother.

You can look at the actual Kansas abortion data yourself if you don't believe me..

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: BDawg
DX is a medical procedure. When a doctor decides it is the best procedure, it should be used. Congress should not be telling doctors what the best procedure for a situation is.

What does DX stand for?

If it's needed to save the mother's life and the doctor determines that, then it should be allowed.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: BDawg
DX is a medical procedure. When a doctor decides it is the best procedure, it should be used. Congress should not be telling doctors what the best procedure for a situation is.

What does DX stand for?

If it's needed to save the mother's life and the doctor determines that, then it should be allowed.

Partial Birth Abortion does not exist. The procedure they are refering to is call dilation and extraction.

The life of the mother doesn't even need to enter into it. If a medical doctor decides it is the best and safest procedure in a situation, it shoudl be used. The fact that it isn't appealing doesn't matter. Abortion is legal, so the best and safest procedure for a situation should be used.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Partial birth abortion is absolutely unethical and immoral, and unlike very early term abortion, it's also disgustingly cruel.

 

[daveshel]

Could we see some facts here instead of opinions?

 

[sph1nx]

Originally posted by: jtusa4
Abortion is murder, period.

Agreed!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sph1nx

Originally posted by: jtusa4
Abortion is murder, period.

Agreed!

Morally perhaps. Legally no, it is not.

I don't approve of abortion on moral grounds, but OTOH I don't think it should be outlawed. It's not my body. For much the same reason that I don't approve of drug abuse on moral grounds, but don't feel that should be outlawed either. Once again, it's not my body, it's not my life, it's not my immortal soul.

 

[jtusa]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sph1nx

Originally posted by: jtusa4
Abortion is murder, period.

Agreed!

Morally perhaps. Legally no, it is not.

I don't approve of abortion on moral grounds, but OTOH I don't think it should be outlawed. It's not my body. For much the same reason that I don't approve of drug abuse on moral grounds, but don't feel that should be outlawed either. Once again, it's not my body, it's not my life, it's not my immortal soul.

I disagree with it morally but I do think it should be outlawed since it's concerning another human life.

I agree with you on drug use though. I find it morally wrong, however I do not think it should be outlawed because almost all drug damage is self inflicted(I'm not talking drug wars here where people get shot, etc. People who use drugs are damaging only their own bodies).

Edit: I'm having a rough night with typos...heh