What is wrong with the Senate?

[Jhhnn]

Its lala fantasy land bs. Without the "grand compromise" these states wouldn't be united.

"Would not have been united at the time".

The Civil War settled the rest of it.

 

[michal1980]

Is there some factual error in what he offered?

I don't believe he said "terrible", either- he merely stated the facts, for the most part.

Oh, wait, I forgot. You have a problem with facts. They're sooo inconvenient for you.

he didn't state facts he was crying about how congress is organized. how far up his ass are you?

 

[brycejones]

he didn't state facts he was crying about how congress is organized. how far up his ass are you?

You came here to whine about Obama, yet haven't addressed the OP......go troll elsewhere.

 

[MongGrel]

So you think its the Republicans in the Senate blocking the bills passed by the Republicans in the HoR?

To quote someone else that quoted my wife breaking her phone on the second day of owning it.

TWIT.

 

[TerryMathews]

"Would not have been united at the time".

The Civil War settled the rest of it.

So you think somehow there would've been a Civil War even if the union never happened?

 

[Thebobo]

The house has passed 14 bills to reform the VA in the wake of all the VA bull shit yet they all sit on Harry Reid's desk. T!

Well the right media has twisted it again.

Did some research and you are off its actually 6 bills that the senate has not taken up and one that the house just passed. I didn't look at the all the bills themselves but scan through them there are a log of other bills tied to these bills. They really need to stop doing that and vote on each bill.

http://veterans.house.gov/legislation-page/113th-congress-leg

Ruth Moore Act of 2013 (H.R. 671, as amended)
Introduced by Rep. Chellie Pingree

H.R. 671 would reform the evidentiary standards for survivors of military sexual trauma (MST) who file claims for mental health conditions with the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Status: Pending in Senate (House Passed 6/4/2013)



To amend title 38, United States Code, to require the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to include a notice of disagreement form in any notice of decision issued for the denial of a benefit sought, to improve the supervision of fiduciaries of veterans under the laws administered by the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, and for other purposes (H.R. 1405, as amended)

Introduced by Rep. Dina Titus

H.R. 1405 would require the VA secretary to include an appeals form along with any benefits-denial notification, institute key reforms to VA’s fiduciary program and provide honorary veterans status to members of the National Guard and Reserves.

H.R. 1405 includes provisions from the following bills:

H.R. 679 (Introduced by Rep. Tim Walz).
H.R. 733 (Introduced by Rep. Jon Runyan)
H.R. 894, as amended (Introduced by Rep. Bill Johnson)

Status: Pending in Senate (House Passed 10/28/2013)

Veterans Economic Opportunity Act of 2013 (H.R. 2481, as amended)

Introduced by Rep. Bill Flores

H.R. 2481 would establish an Economic Opportunity Administration within VA, enabling the department to better focus on veterans’ transition to civilian life.

Provisions in H.R. 2481, as amended, include:

H.R. 2327, as amended (Introduced by Rep. Jeff Miller)
H.R. 2150 (Introduced by Rep. Paul Cook)
H.R. 2210, as amended (Introduced by Rep. C.W. Bill Young)
H.R. 331 (Introduced by Rep. Ken Calvert)
H.R. 1842 (Introduced by Rep. Eijah Cummings)
H.R. 1898 (Introduced by Rep Michael Turner)

Status: Pending in Senate (House Passed 10/28/2013)


Veterans' Advisory Committee on Education Improvement Act of 2013 (H.R. 2011)

Introduced by Rep. John Delaney

H.R. 2011 would extend the term of a special veteran students advisory committee for two years.

Status: Pending in Senate (House Passed 10/28/2013)

To improve the processing of disability claims by the Department of Veterans Affairs, and for other purposes (H.R. 2189, as amended)

Introduced by Rep. Jeff Miller

H.R. 2189 would establish a commission or task force charged with examining the root causes of the Department of Veterans Affairs disability claims backlog and providing solutions for ending it by 2015.

Provisions in H.R. 2189, as amended, include:

H.R. 2138, as amended (Introduced by Representative Kevin McCarthy)
H.R. 2382, as amended (Introduced by Representative Paul Cook)
H.R. 1623, as amended (Introduced by Representative Gloria Negrete McLeod)
H.R. 1805, as amended (Introduced by Representative Ann M. Kuster)
H.R. 1759, as amended (Introduced by Representative Raul Ruiz)
H.R. 1824, as amended (Introduced by Representative Grace Meng)
H.R. 1809, as amended (Introduced by Representative Beto O'Rourke)
H.R. 2423, as amended (Introduced by Representative Jon Runyan)
H.R. 2341, as amended (Introduced by Representative Thomas J. Rooney)
H.R. 2086, as amended (Introduced by Representative Dina Titus)
H.R. 1494, as amended (Introduced by Representative Christopher P. Gibson)
H.R. 1288 (Introduced by Representative G. K. Butterfield)
H.R. 864 (Introduced by Representative Mike McIntyre)
H.R. 2185 (Introduced by Representative Stephen F. Lynch)
Status: Pending in Senate (House Passed 10/28/2013)

Department of Veterans Affairs Major Medical Facility Lease Authorization Act of 2013 (H.R. 3521, as amended)

Introduced by Rep. Jeff Miller

H.R. 3521 would authorize 27 Department of Veterans Affairs major medical facility leases requested by VA in its fiscal year 2013 and 2014 budget submissions.

Status: Pending in Senate (House Passed 12/10/2013)



GI Bill Tuition Fairness Act of 2014 (H.R. 357, as amended)

Introduced by Rep. Jeff Miller

H.R. 357 would enable G.I. Bill recipients to receive in-state tuition rates at any public college or university in the country, not just those in a veteran’s state of residence. The bill also contains a number of other provisions designed to enhance veterans benefits and bring more accountability and efficiency to the Department of Veterans Affairs, including:

A five year ban on performance bonuses for VA Senior Executive Service employees
An extension of Veterans Retraining and Assistance Program job training benefits through May 31, 2014. The program is currently set to expire March 31, 2014
Stronger infectious disease reporting requirements for VA hospitals
A requirement for VA health officials to obtain the consent of patients before electronically monitoring them in private patient areas
More comprehensive reporting requirements for VA employees traveling abroad
Provisions in H.R. 357, as amended, include:

H.R. 562 (Introduced by Representative Jeff Miller)
H.R. 569 (Introduced by Representative Jon Runyan)
H.R. 631, as amended (Introduced by Representative Bill Flores)
H.R. 844 (Introduced by Representative Mark Takano)
H.R. 1305 (Introduced by Representative Brad Wenstrup)
H.R. 1316, as amended (Introduced by Representative Bill Flores)
H.R. 1402 (Introduced by Representative Mike Coffman)
H.R. 1453 (Introduced by Representative Mark Takano)
Status: Pending in Senate (House Passed 2/3/2014)

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[Jhhnn]

he didn't state facts he was crying about how congress is organized. how far up his ass are you?

Negative. He explained the difficulties & limitations of overcoming a minority of a minority in the Senate, and how it came to be that way.

What he offered was factual.

 

[Jhhnn]

So you think somehow there would've been a Civil War even if the union never happened?

Never offered that. They just might not have become the United States in 1789. As has been offered, the composition of the Senate was part of the deal.

Don't apply conspiracy theory thinking to what I offer- just read it, OK?

I try to be straightforward, say what I mean.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well the right media has twisted it again.

Did some research and you are off its actually 6 bills that the senate has not taken up and one that the house just passed. I didn't look at the all the bills themselves but scan through them there are a log of other bills tied to these bills. They really need to stop doing that and vote on each bill.

HOR Repubs never go anywhere w/o their baggage, huh?

 

[TerryMathews]

Never offered that. They just might not have become the United States in 1789. As has been offered, the composition of the Senate was part of the deal.

Don't apply conspiracy theory thinking to what I offer- just read it, OK?

I try to be straightforward, say what I mean.

I did read it. If there wasn't any sort of deeper implied meaning to your post then it's just off topic garbage.

Fact: the grand compromise in the Senate and HOR was central in the formation of the Union.

Fact: the smaller states were not going to sign on without what they felt was their fair share of representation.

Conclusion: without the grand compromise, there is no union of states to have a war over.

 

[Jhhnn]

I did read it. If there wasn't any sort of deeper implied meaning to your post then it's just off topic garbage.

Fact: the grand compromise in the Senate and HOR was central in the formation of the Union.

Fact: the smaller states were not going to sign on without what they felt was their fair share of representation.

Conclusion: without the grand compromise, there is no union of states to have a war over.

It was in direct response to your post, entirely relevant to it. If it's OT, blame yourself for being there.

 

[blankslate]

What's wrong with the Senate and in general U.S. politics is that the general public is uninformed. More often than not people cannot described the 3 Branches of Government.

It leads to too many bad choices by voters with usually is less than 50% of the general population exercising that right and duty.


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[ElFenix]

What's wrong with the Senate and in general U.S. politics is that the general public is uninformed. More often than not people cannot described the 3 Branches of Government.

It leads to too many bad choices by voters with usually is less than 50% of the general population exercising that right and duty.


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afaik, people who don't have any idea how government works generally don't vote.

 

[MongGrel]

afaik, people who don't have any idea how government works generally don't vote.

I's say the scarier part is many do who don't know how it works, myself, also, apparently.

Comma Fest

 

[Jhhnn]

What's wrong with the Senate and in general U.S. politics is that the general public is uninformed. More often than not people cannot described the 3 Branches of Government.

It leads to too many bad choices by voters with usually is less than 50% of the general population exercising that right and duty.


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Cue de-funding ACORN 37 times & the Voter Fraud! boogeyman, figure out who benefits from low awareness & turnout.

Lock stepping their way into the future, the Repub base votes every time, every chance they get like they're on a mission from God.

 

[TerryMathews]

Its lala fantasy land bs. Without the "grand compromise" these states wouldn't be united.

"Would not have been united at the time".

The Civil War settled the rest of it.

So you think somehow there would've been a Civil War even if the union never happened?

Never offered that. They just might not have become the United States in 1789. As has been offered, the composition of the Senate was part of the deal.

Don't apply conspiracy theory thinking to what I offer- just read it, OK?

I try to be straightforward, say what I mean.

I did read it. If there wasn't any sort of deeper implied meaning to your post then it's just off topic garbage.

Fact: the grand compromise in the Senate and HOR was central in the formation of the Union.

Fact: the smaller states were not going to sign on without what they felt was their fair share of representation.

Conclusion: without the grand compromise, there is no union of states to have a war over.

It was in direct response to your post, entirely relevant to it. If it's OT, blame yourself for being there.

Let's review. When you put the whole conversation together, it appears you're just arguing to hear yourself argue without making any sort of concrete point.

If you have an actual point to make, please make it.

 

[HomerJS]

The house has passed 14 bills to reform the VA in the wake of all the VA bull shit yet they all sit on Harry Reid's desk. This truly is the jackass party and it goes to show you that they really don't give a shit about our veterans. I for one hope they all loss their asses in November. Fuck you grabasstic assholes!

Who's to privatizing the VA? The feds have shown time and time again they can't run shit!

Once admitted the satisfaction rate is higher then the private sector.

That's the trick, once admitted. Ya think increase in the number of vets needing care has something to do with it??

 

[piasabird]

Doesn't the majority leader in the senate set the agenda? So that guy is not a republican last time I checked.

 

[Sonikku]

The issue no one ever seems to want to acknowledge is that when a bill is passed from one of the houses with one of the things everyone can agree on, it tends to have all kinds of goodies attached for one party and nothing but cuts for the other. Then when the other party votes against it because of all the add ons their opponents get "outraged" and run to the press saying they voted down the such and such bill everyone on the surface should have gotten behind. But actually there is usually more going on.

 

[Jhhnn]

The issue no one ever seems to want to acknowledge is that when a bill is passed from one of the houses with one of the things everyone can agree on, it tends to have all kinds of goodies attached for one party and nothing but cuts for the other. Then when the other party votes against it because of all the add ons their opponents get "outraged" and run to the press saying they voted down the such and such bill everyone on the surface should have gotten behind. But actually there is usually more going on.

Like I said, designed to fail & be used as an attack/ pander point.

Repubs are still mindful of the time Mitch McConnell had to filibuster his own bill minutes after introducing it. That's particularly true of the HOR. They make sure that such bills have so many poison pills stuffed into them that Dems won't even go for it at all.

But they get to pander to the outrage addicted Faithful, reinforce what's already believed. Repetition is the essence of propaganda, so they'll paint Dems as evil even when they have to contrive the circumstances.

 

[werepossum]

The issue no one ever seems to want to acknowledge is that when a bill is passed from one of the houses with one of the things everyone can agree on, it tends to have all kinds of goodies attached for one party and nothing but cuts for the other. Then when the other party votes against it because of all the add ons their opponents get "outraged" and run to the press saying they voted down the such and such bill everyone on the surface should have gotten behind. But actually there is usually more going on.

While that's true, it's always been the case. Both parties have their own versions of most bills because both parties have their own preferred approaches to problems, even on issues where both parties nominally agree there are problems that need government intervention to solve. They then go into good ol' fashioned horse trading.

(D) We like your idea to make a review panel for VA problems, but we're not accepting a cut in the Ninth Circuit to accomplish it.
(R) Well, maybe we can give that up, but we cannot accept your proposal to make the members appointable by the President without Congressional approval. However, we might go along with making the chairman an appointment if you'd consider our amendment on milk subsidies . . .

Rinse and repeat. Then often more horsetrading to get the votes. This one wants yet another Robert Byrd Memorial Federal Henhouse built, that one wants a bridge to replace the ferry he takes to get to his cabin, the other one wants signatures on a letter recommending an approval for a constituent's SS disability . . .