What is wrong with my bonsai tree?

Pollock

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The guy on the left is a eugenia brush cherry, and the leaves have become dried out and shriveled up over the past few days. I water it every 1-3 days, and when I noticed this happening, I moved it to be closer to my window. Overwatering? Needs more fertilizer (I just did a couple weeks ago)?

Only had it maybe 3-4 months, so I'm just happy it lasted this long. :cool:
 

waffleironhead

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Too much water is causing root rot. The root death then causes leaf loss and branches to die back.
 

Eli

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Too much water is causing root rot. The root death then causes leaf loss and branches to die back.

This was my first thought as well, however.. He fertilized recently. Leaves drying out like that is also a symptom of root burn/overfertilization.

Lift it out of the pot. Are the roots white? If so, over fertilization.

If not, root rot or a combination of both.

If you suspect root rot, cut the dead/diseased roots off and give it a bath in a 1.5% hydrogen peroxide solution for a couple of hours, and replant. Remove all leaves you're sure are dead. If there's a significant amount of foliage left, you may have to put a plastic tent over it.

If the stem shrivels up, it's done for though.
 

x-alki

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It could be going dormant for the winter.

My dad had a lot of bonsai trees, some I imagine are 20 years old. I will ask him when I speak with him tomorrow. I know some of his trees go dormant in the winter and look like they are dead.

He's always told me the rule of thumb when watering is if the soil is damp dont water, if its dry then water.
 

Eli

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It could be going dormant for the winter.

My dad had a lot of bonsai trees, some I imagine are 20 years old. I will ask him when I speak with him tomorrow. I know some of his trees go dormant in the winter and look like they are dead.

He's always told me the rule of thumb when watering is if the soil is damp dont water, if its dry then water.

Leaves generally turn yellow and fall off when a tree is going dormant.. Not shrivel up while still green.. :p

I forgot to mention, if you suspect over fertilization then you should flush the soil with several gallons of water.
 

Pollock

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It sounds like I haven't been properly watering it - there have definitely been times where the soil was still somewhat damp from the previous time, and I watered it again. I don't think it's overfertilization, because it was beginning to shrivel like this a couple weeks after I last fertilized it (you'd think if it was overfertilized, you'd see the effects much more quickly than this).

I will have to check the roots for sure tomorrow when I have a little more free time. Thanks for the advice!
 

x-alki

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Leaves generally turn yellow and fall off when a tree is going dormant.. Not shrivel up while still green.. :p

I forgot to mention, if you suspect over fertilization then you should flush the soil with several gallons of water.

You are correct, Eli.
I know that my dad will put his pines in a covered 4 foot deep pit during the winter months. If the temps are above 40 he will remove the cover.
 

edro

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Did it die completely?

It's probably root rot. Look at that soil mass. It looks like a bog!
That is a lot of foliage for such a small root ball / pot.
That much foliage perspires a lot of water. If you let the roots completely dry out for more than a couple days, some of the branches will die back and possibly the entire tree will die back.

You can scrape the bark with your fingernail to see if it is still green and supple underneath. Those outer branches are definitely dead, but hopefully some of the inner branches and trunk are still alive. The trunk is the last "branch" to die with lack of water.
Keeping the root ball wet for days on end will cause root rot, which is almost as bad as not watering at all, as the roots cannot absorb the water if they are rotted away.

Regardless, you need to trim that back a ton. Get rid of most of that foliage, especially all the dead stuff. You need to replant it into some better soil. Get granular/gravel type soil for bonsai from a nursery. They prefer that type of soil, as it provides more air circulation to the roots. It will require watering more often than potting soil, but the trees will grow much better. Eli's suggestion to put it in a tent is a good method to recover a dying tree. That tree is native to tropical regions with high sunlight and humidity. A tent simulates that environment and slows perspiration.

It is a tropical evergreen, so it will not drop leaves in the winter. Its dormancy will just slow the growth down.

BTW, get that juniper bonsai outside immediately. It will die indoors.
 
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Minjin

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I had a bonsai. It was a gift and it was the first house plant I owned. Girl was a green thumb and wanted to cultivate a green thumb in me so she does what? Gives me one of the hardest plants to keep alive? I was impressed with myself that I managed it keep it alive for 6 months. While my house is crawling with plants now, I haven't bothered to retry the bonsai thing.
 

Murloc

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I had bonsais.
Most frustrating plant ever, one became a bush, while the other just died.
Normal plants are greener and less bitchy about water dosage, also their leaves don't get bigger if you suck at grooming, and even if they did, you wouldn't care because it's a normal plant.

I think your time would be better used to cultivate cherry tomatoes, can't beat having them homemade in the winter. I heard that UV lamps are costly though (sodium lamps or something).