What is wrong with Firefox?

[vtqanh]

There are various webpages at dell.com where Firefox doesn't work properly. For example:
https://support.dell.com/support/dellcare/invoice.aspx
When I filled out the information, it kept telling me that the invoice was not available online. However, IE worked fine (took me to another page to choose what method of delivery I would like: email/fax/mail). And there was some other pages on the EPP website that Firefox would not work correctly.
Oh, I'm looking for possible fix to get this work, not the reason that DELL did not comply to HTML standard, blah blah. And I'm not turning this into an IE vs. Firefox either. I love Firefox, but I would love it to display webpages properly (given the fact that IE displays them just fine)

 

[JonnyBlaze]

asus's website dosent work either.

JB

 

[Modeps]

It's simple really. People, even in big companies like Dell and Asus, dont know how to code for standards and only test using one browser.

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: Modeps
It's simple really. People, even in big companies like Dell and Asus, dont know how to code for standards and only test using one browser.

Or they don't care b/c 97% of the people surfing the web have IE. Anyone not using IE will see the page and think, "Doesn't work, let's try it in IE." Then, they simply open IE and view the page.

 

[vtqanh]

Originally posted by: Modeps
It's simple really. People, even in big companies like Dell and Asus, dont know how to code for standards and only test using one browser.

Did you read my post? This is not the kind of response that I need. Who gives a flying f.. if Dell and Asus don't know how to code for standards? The only thing that is important is that the end-result. Why can't Firefox adapt to such things? Is there such a way to make it so?

 

[XBoxLPU]

Who gives a flying f.. if Dell and Asus don't know how to code for standards? The only thing that is important is that the end-result.

:roll:

I give a flying f. I am tired of IE making the internet crap

 

[JonnyBlaze]

how does ie make the internet crap?? cause other browsers dont work right either?

JB

 

[AnyMal]

If Firefox will start emulating IE in every way, then what's the point of Firefox in the first place?

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: vtqanh

Originally posted by: Modeps
It's simple really. People, even in big companies like Dell and Asus, dont know how to code for standards and only test using one browser.

Did you read my post? This is not the kind of response that I need. Who gives a flying f.. if Dell and Asus don't know how to code for standards? The only thing that is important is that the end-result. Why can't Firefox adapt to such things? Is there such a way to make it so?

You asked why it doesnt work, I told you.

There's nothing at all wrong with Firefox, it's Internet Explorer. When people code for Firefox (in other words, according to standards), the end result will always work properly with IE just not look perfect at all. If you code for IE, it doesnt necessarly mean things are going to work on other browsers properly. This is because Firefox adheres to the standards set by the W3C and IE tried to pave its own path years ago.

A little history for you: The last major revision of IE was IE6, released in October of 2001. Since then, they've simply fixed security holes. IE7 is still probably about 2 years away, meaning their "superior browser" will have spent 7 years without a major revision. That's 100% unacceptable on any front.

 

[Sunner]

That Dell page looks fine to me, though I haven't submitted anything.

And if someone were to program for FF(that is, standards compliant) it probably wouldn't work with IE, or have they fixed their CSS support yet?
Firefox shouldn't deviate from official and open standards because some programmers are incompetent.

Oh and asus.com works fine for me as well.

 

[Nothinman]

This is not the kind of response that I need

then you just don't want to hear the truth.

Who gives a flying f.. if Dell and Asus don't know how to code for standards?

You should, because if they had you wouldn't be in this situation right now. Standards were created for a reason.

The only thing that is important is that the end-result.

And the fact that they didn't follow standards gives you the result you're seeing.

Why can't Firefox adapt to such things? Is there such a way to make it so?

Because it would be stupid, there is already a quirks mode which handles a lot of the sloppy pages. But you're still going to run into pages that are just plain wrong and shouldn't work at all. What you should do is contact Dell support and ask them why their form doesn't work properly, if enough people do this they'll have a reason to fix it.

Open up just about any webpage in FireFox and hit "Page Info" and you'll see on the General tab a "Render mode" entry, most of the time it's probably in Quirks mode.

 

[dnuggett]

It is in quirks mode for Anandtech even. Does this mean Anandtech is falls under your consideration of a sloppy page?

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: dnuggett
It is in quirks mode for Anandtech even. Does this mean Anandtech is falls under your consideration of a sloppy page?

I believe it looks at the doctype definition to determine what mode to render in... It's set to transitional.

 

[Nothinman]

It is in quirks mode for Anandtech even. Does this mean Anandtech is falls under your consideration of a sloppy page?

Considering that it causes a horizontal scrollbar to show up in galeon for me, yes I would.

 

[Rip the Jacker]

Firefox = Standards

IE = Not.

 

[Mem]

asus's website dosent work either.

Only the USA site,their UK works fine.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: ItmPls
Firefox = Standards

IE = Not.

i dont really care about wc3 standards or whatever. if ie works on everything and ff doesnt, ie's better in that aspect.


and all this stuff about spyware, someone tell me a site that will harm my computer if i use ie. everyone talks about it but obviously its not very common.

JB

 

[Nothinman]

i dont really care about wc3 standards or whatever. if ie works on everything and ff doesnt, ie's better in that aspect.

If people followed the standards properly you would'nt be having these problems. That's why standards were created, you can't expect everyone to just ignore the standards because one other product does that. Imagine if the Internet were built upon NetWare IP (yes there was such a thing) instead of standard TCP/IP, the only people that would be able to connect to the Internet would be those willing to pay whatever licensing fees Novell asked for and the barrier to entry would be huge where as now it's practically zero.

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

i dont really care about wc3 standards or whatever. if ie works on everything and ff doesnt, ie's better in that aspect.

If people followed the standards properly you would'nt be having these problems. That's why standards were created, you can't expect everyone to just ignore the standards because one other product does that. Imagine if the Internet were built upon NetWare IP (yes there was such a thing) instead of standard TCP/IP, the only people that would be able to connect to the Internet would be those willing to pay whatever licensing fees Novell asked for and the barrier to entry would be huge where as now it's practically zero.

Curious here. Which standards has IE improperly implemented? Not being a smart-arse, but I'm curious which standards are missing in IE.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze

Originally posted by: ItmPls
Firefox = Standards

IE = Not.

i dont really care about wc3 standards or whatever. if ie works on everything and ff doesnt, ie's better in that aspect.


and all this stuff about spyware, someone tell me a site that will harm my computer if i use ie. everyone talks about it but obviously its not very common.

JB

IE is broken in those areas. That site happens to be broken. It's not better, just two wrongs that accidentally made a right.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: Nothinman

i dont really care about wc3 standards or whatever. if ie works on everything and ff doesnt, ie's better in that aspect.

If people followed the standards properly you would'nt be having these problems. That's why standards were created, you can't expect everyone to just ignore the standards because one other product does that. Imagine if the Internet were built upon NetWare IP (yes there was such a thing) instead of standard TCP/IP, the only people that would be able to connect to the Internet would be those willing to pay whatever licensing fees Novell asked for and the barrier to entry would be huge where as now it's practically zero.

Curious here. Which standards has IE improperly implemented? Not being a smart-arse, but I'm curious which standards are missing in IE.

CSS has already been mentioned as one that IE does not support properly.

 

[Rip the Jacker]

"and all this stuff about spyware, someone tell me a site that will harm my computer if i use ie. everyone talks about it but obviously its not very common. "

Can you explain the amount of users crying that there's spyware all over their computer and it's slow as sh!t and they use IE ? ]

How many with firefox?

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: royaldank
Curious here. Which standards has IE improperly implemented? Not being a smart-arse, but I'm curious which standards are missing in IE.

CSS has already been mentioned as one that IE does not support properly.

After reading a couple articles just now, I realize that CSS is a bigger problem that I had thought. Didn't realize the scope of that.


I'm not a big IE fanboy, but that's pretty much all I use. However, anyone else that calls or asks me for computer help, I immediately explain that using IE isn't good and download Firefox for them. It runs much better for the most part. If they encounter a site they can't use, use IE as a last resort.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: Nothinman

i dont really care about wc3 standards or whatever. if ie works on everything and ff doesnt, ie's better in that aspect.

If people followed the standards properly you would'nt be having these problems. That's why standards were created, you can't expect everyone to just ignore the standards because one other product does that. Imagine if the Internet were built upon NetWare IP (yes there was such a thing) instead of standard TCP/IP, the only people that would be able to connect to the Internet would be those willing to pay whatever licensing fees Novell asked for and the barrier to entry would be huge where as now it's practically zero.

Curious here. Which standards has IE improperly implemented? Not being a smart-arse, but I'm curious which standards are missing in IE.

CSS has already been mentioned as one that IE does not support properly.

Here's a good read

and a good quote from it:

there is still the occasional site that I go to that doesn?t look right in any other browser. Those sites, by the way, are all the more reason to not use IE. They weren?t written according to the standards, and they look bad in any browser other than IE as a result of that fact. Using IE all the time just because the occasional site is designed so poorly as to look like crap in other browsers is utterly bad form. I implore you not to give into this temptation.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: ItmPls
"and all this stuff about spyware, someone tell me a site that will harm my computer if i use ie. everyone talks about it but obviously its not very common. "

Can you explain the amount of users crying that there's spyware all over their computer and it's slow as sh!t and they use IE ? ]

How many with firefox?

Of course there are going to be more IE users that have spyware issues. Windows is like the second most popular OS in the world, and since IE comes with it, most people just use IE. So most of the ignorant masses (the ones that I think purposely get spyware on their machines just so they can ask me to come fix it in an attempt at seducing this poor little monkey) are using IE, and getting spyware (whether the two are related or not is up to you kind and gently reader, I don't give a flying squirrel).