What is with the Self Deprecation on AT?? I doubt most ATers are geeks anymore.

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Toasthead

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Originally posted by: hevnsnt
I would say a geek is someone that has random pci/agp cards laying on their "HOME" desk.

FYI, I just looked at my desk to come up with that.

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GtPrOjEcTX

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Originally posted by: edmicman
Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
Define geek in the modern day sense
Kinda like Emo, but without the glasses.
Remember when Tickle-Me-Emo was all the rage? I don't remember him wearing glasses though...
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That is Elmo, not Emo. I believe TV was refering to Emo Philips?
 

SoyBoy004

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being a geek.

i guess i may have a differing opinion of being a geek. i consider myself a "geeK" a "nerd" or what have you. I don't really mind people calling me these things as it doesn't really bother me. Some of my friends, including my girlfriend, consider me geeky and nerdy sometimes because I like to play with electronics, upgrade my computer, know hot keys on the keyboard, play online video games, post on ATOT, even simply KNOWING websites for money saving or software evaluating codes and such. However, i also play a lot of sports like football, hockey, baseball, paintbal, tennis, golf, and love driving cars and talking about cars. So....my point? if having useful knowledge and tools that actually help me in my life is being a geek, then a geek i am and others should want to be too!
 

C'DaleRider

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: newbiepcuser
Originally posted by: Fausto
I consider myself to be a "high-functioning geek". I have all the usual trappings of geekdom, but I also have a wife, friends, socials skills, and a tan. :p

Geeks don't wear thongs and buy 1 gizllion dollar road bikes.
What? All I did was take the DeBeers "two months' salary" rule and apply it to my new bike. That seems fair and reasonable. :D

You gotta love that.....seems reasonable to me...........LOL!!!!!!!
 

DWW

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the definition of GEEK itself has changed since the mid '80's. just the fact that ATers are participating on an online forum is no longer a guarantee or even a strong indication that they are a computer "geek".

why do some ATers want to perpetuate this myth?? particularly in YAGT's.

i don't get it.

is it just a bunch of the older ATer's that just haven't gotten over their own geekiness during the 80's taking it out on the younger ATer's?

edited for clarification


i guess i didn't make myself clear in my OP.

my problem is with the assumption that these so called "geeks" will be socially inept.

i don't think that generalization is anywhere near true anymore.

you HAVE to be a "geek" (have a certain amount of knowledge of computers) to survive in today's world. someone that would pass for a geek 20 yrs ago, now is just barely above average in his knowledge of computers etc.

but really my question is regarding the assumption that all "geeks" are socially inept.

That is where I disagree with you. No one has to be a geek today. To most people computers are just tools. You aren't considered a car "geek" for knowing how to use a car and the basic way in which it operates are you? I don't consider myself an appliance geek for knowing how to fix my parents dishwasher (which I tore open yesterday and repaired). I think this stuff should just be common handy knowledge that all people should have and did have back when they used to fix their own crap but the masses are dumbing down...

People are far from having the knowledge geeks had 20 years ago I think. In fact people are getting worse. Powerpoint, operating MS Windows, setting up a little home network and knowing a little about tcp/ip, how to swap in new hardware (PnP makes it so damn easy anyone can do it), knowledge of installing programs and a little HTML, and instant messaging does not constitute being a geek in my books. This sort of stuff is simpleton.

Hell even half the classified "geeks" I know don't know squat compared to what old timers do. I know people who couldn't code a qsort for their life and call themselves programmers :p

In addition there is this sort of self-pride I see where people proclaim they are a "geek" and wear thinkgeek tshirts with emo glasses (yes stolen from maddox) and say that webdesign is hardcore geekdom. These are those social ones you are talking about and I think it is messing with the "traditional" geek as you would have it who are, more then not, a little socially inept. Bleh I'm ranting :p

Edit: Oh and these newer geeks are probably liberal arts students and the traditional ones sway more towards cs, engineering and math degrees. That is just what I've noticed at school.

Just my $ 0.02
 

CraigRT

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I used to be a geek, but I don't think I am anymore.... and I certainly do not start YAGT's. (lame) :p
 

NeoV

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I'm pretty sure anyone who starts a thread asking for relationship advice is a true geek...

by the way PGold, I "geeked" your fantasy hoops squad this week!
 

ed21x

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I think it is completely possible to be knowledgable about tech as well as everything else at the same time- sorta like a Renaissance man who takes the best of everything :) That's why the people who usually get the very best grades don't study at all and hang out more than the people who get the A -
 

PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: NeoV
I'm pretty sure anyone who starts a thread asking for relationship advice is a true geek...

by the way PGold, I "geeked" your fantasy hoops squad this week!

yup, you are indeed the true geek. :)

 

Pepsei

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Originally posted by: hevnsnt
I would say a geek is someone that has random pci/agp cards laying on their "HOME" desk.

FYI, I just looked at my desk to come up with that.

Whew, only have a used motherboard.....
 

BatmanNate

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I think geeks are categorized as people with primary interests that include one of more of the following:

Computers/Programming/Robotics
Science/Astronomy/Space
Fantasy (D&D, LOTR, Star Trek, etc)

It's not necessary that one must be socially awkward to be a geek, but it's typical. That doesn't mean the person will not be successful, especially with girls. (because of the money/emo/intellect/novelty factor)
 

brigden

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Am I a geek?

I'm well-dressed in a trendy, hip, cool sense. Very into clothes, shoes, jackets, etc. I have a good-looking GF, and have always been surrounded by attractive women. I have a large group of friends and I actively socialize on weekends. I enjoy drinking and partying (too hard sometimes). I'm considered by most to be charming, witty, and friendly. I'm outgoing and was always one of the most popular people in my highschool of 2,500 students.

However, I'm into PC games, and building PCs, and other techno-gadgetry.

If I were to say, "This roxors my soxors..." to my friends they would look at me and laugh.

I guess I'm a closet geek at heart.
 

BatmanNate

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Originally posted by: brigden
Am I a geek?

I'm well-dressed in a trendy, hip, cool sense. Very into clothes, shoes, jackets, etc. I have a good-looking GF, and have always been surrounded by attractive women. I have a large group of friends and I actively socialize on weekends. I enjoy drinking and partying (too hard sometimes). I'm considered by most to be charming, witty, and friendly. I'm outgoing and was always one of the most popular people in my highschool of 2,500 students.

However, I'm into PC games, and building PCs, and other techno-gadgetry.

If I were to say, "This roxors my soxors..." to my friends they would look at me and laugh.

I guess I'm a closet geek at heart.


Or just a bad liar.
 

Jfrag Teh Foul

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Originally posted by: hevnsnt
I would say a geek is someone that has random pci/agp cards laying on their "HOME" desk.

FYI, I just looked at my desk to come up with that.

<-------- Guilty :(

And more than two computer systems in the household.

<-------- DAMMIT GUILTY AGAIN!! :(
 

brigden

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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Originally posted by: brigden
Am I a geek?

I'm well-dressed in a trendy, hip, cool sense. Very into clothes, shoes, jackets, etc. I have a good-looking GF, and have always been surrounded by attractive women. I have a large group of friends and I actively socialize on weekends. I enjoy drinking and partying (too hard sometimes). I'm considered by most to be charming, witty, and friendly. I'm outgoing and was always one of the most popular people in my highschool of 2,500 students.

However, I'm into PC games, and building PCs, and other techno-gadgetry.

If I were to say, "This roxors my soxors..." to my friends they would look at me and laugh.

I guess I'm a closet geek at heart.


Or just a bad liar.

Right. I'm lying to impress a bunch of geeks on some forum. Do I look like Walleye?
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nan0bug

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the definition of GEEK itself has changed since the mid '80's. just the fact that ATers are participating on an online forum is no longer a guarantee or even a strong indication that they are a computer "geek".

why do some ATers want to perpetuate this myth?? particularly in YAGT's.

i don't get it.

is it just a bunch of the older ATer's that just haven't gotten over their own geekiness during the 80's taking it out on the younger ATer's?

edited for clarification


i guess i didn't make myself clear in my OP.

my problem is with the assumption that these so called "geeks" will be socially inept.

i don't think that generalization is anywhere near true anymore.

you HAVE to be a "geek" (have a certain amount of knowledge of computers) to survive in today's world. someone that would pass for a geek 20 yrs ago, now is just barely above average in his knowledge of computers etc.

but really my question is regarding the assumption that all "geeks" are socially inept.

Having a certain amount of technical knowledge does not make you a geek.

Used to be if you were a geek you got shoved into lockers, never had a shot in hell of getting a hot date, etc. Now, in the age of the internet, its no longer a bad thing to be a geek. Everyone who didn't take their licks and knows a little bit about running a windows box and has gorwn up with the luxury of '..... for dummies' and easy user interfaces and everything you want to know just a mouse click away thinks they're a geek.

There was a time when we actually had to learn things through trial and error. We spent hours pouring over hastily-typed-at-3am text files on 40 column displays to learn how to do tasks that you can now do by pointing and clicking. When we wanted to set up a site to offer our favorite things to the world, we didn't fire up frontpage and use a point and click interface to make pretty menus, we fired up Thedraw and did it ourselves IN ANSI.

For these reasons, I wear the geek label with pride.

You're not a geek unless you took your licks for it. You're not a geek unless you were proficient with computers BEFORE the internet came around, before it was socially acceptable to use a computer recreationally. I don't think anyone under the age of ~20 has earned the right to be considered a 'computer geek'.

Ok, that was a rant. I'll get to the point.

As for your question, I think most ATOTers call you guys geeks because they're not really geeks and think that anyone who is having girl problems must be one. That's perpetuating a myth. These are usually the same people who think they're 31337 because they just set up Gentoo linux with a print-out of the well versed step by step instructions right next to a Linux for dummies book on their desk. They're confused about their own identity because they recognize that they're not really geeks, even though deep down inside they aspire to be one. They are self-hating, and take it out on others.

The rest of us 'perpetuate this myth' because its a way of recognizing our heritage. We know you're not a geek. You'll never know what its like to really be one. You new jacks coming to US with girl problems is like someone going to the amish complaining that their car isn't running, and we use the opportunities you all present to us to remind you in a subtle way of that fact. We say it affectionately. We're prodding you guys who are whining about not having girls to stop being so damn self-defeating, because you guys have it so much easier.

Then again, I could be wrong. I'm socially inept, so I don't understand people too well :D
 

nan0bug

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i just find all these comments in YAGT regarding the ineptness of geeks, "oh you could never dream of being with such a girl because you are a geek" annoying.

Those are the self-hating wannabe geeks.
 

BatmanNate

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Originally posted by: nan0bug
i just find all these comments in YAGT regarding the ineptness of geeks, "oh you could never dream of being with such a girl because you are a geek" annoying.

Those are the self-hating wannabe geeks.

Either that or they are over the hill women who make themselves feel more attractive by hanging out here heckling the monkies.