What is William Jefferson Clinton's Legacy?

Dari

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It seems like for his political progenies, cut-n-run is the new Democratic mantra. I'm glad Bush is fixing most of Clinton's foreign policy mistakes. Instead of shooting $100 million missiles at empty tents, camels, and children medicine factory, he's fighting back.
 

maluckey

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There's a controversial new Clinton museum 18 miles from my house, and funded partially with illegal funds (under review by the Arkansas courts), and possibly illegally obtained properties. That's a good start.

As far as fixing Clintons shortcomings, he was soooo good at hiding them, that we may never know the extent of them. Bill Clinton was/is a true master of public and press manipulation. It's a common saying here that we only voted for him to get him out of the state. Arkansas has disbarred him, as part of an agreement to avoid his facing charges. That effectively bars him from ever practicing law again. I'm genuinely sure that if you tried however, there would be a few things you could find about him that would be generally considered good.

I do agree with you however that he virtually destroyed the U.S. military in the eight years that he was in office. He did nothing for Arkansas education in his entire career. Thank God for Mississippi, or we'd be last at everything.
 

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Instead of shooting $100 million missiles at empty tents, camels, and children medicine factory, he's fighting back.


Ya had me until this line....

Seems like you are talking about Bush here, not Clinton.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Dari
It seems like for his political progenies, cut-n-run is the new Democratic mantra. I'm glad Bush is fixing most of Clinton's foreign policy mistakes. Instead of shooting $100 million missiles at empty tents, camels, and children medicine factory, he's fighting back.

Instead Bush is launching $87B/year wars for nonexisent WMD's. Savings with Clinton $86.9Billion :D
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Dari
It seems like for his political progenies, cut-n-run is the new Democratic mantra. I'm glad Bush is fixing most of Clinton's foreign policy mistakes. Instead of shooting $100 million missiles at empty tents, camels, and children medicine factory, he's fighting back.

Instead Bush is launching $87B/year wars for nonexisent WMD's. Savings with Clinton $86.9Billion :D

Hehe, ain't dat da truth. Bush ruined the nation. That's about enough. The world loved Clinton and hates Bush. Tells you where the brainwashing is. Only in pockets can you find total lunacy or half total lunacy since Gore won.

 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Dari
It seems like for his political progenies, cut-n-run is the new Democratic mantra. I'm glad Bush is fixing most of Clinton's foreign policy mistakes. Instead of shooting $100 million missiles at empty tents, camels, and children medicine factory, he's fighting back.

Instead Bush is launching $87B/year wars for nonexisent WMD's. Savings with Clinton $86.9Billion :D

Hehe, ain't dat da truth. Bush ruined the nation. That's about enough. The world loved Clinton and hates Bush. Tells you where the brainwashing is. Only in pockets can you find total lunacy or half total lunacy since Gore won.

Of course the world "loved" clinton. Hussein loved him. Kim ill Yung loved him. Even Chirac loved him. What did they like most about Clinton? He brought the United States down to its lowest level ever. He refused to fight back. And he deflected his domestic problems by killing camels. As far as foreign policy is concerned, Clinton was the worst in written memory. BJ Clinton got blowjobs while American's were bombed out of their embassies. His weakness was the reason for bin Laden's boldness and 9/11. Should any democrat follow in his foreign policy footstep: to weaken the US and equate her with other nations, they will lose big-time at the polls. Bush is correcting Clinton's foreign policy mistakes by showing who's boss.
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
It seems like for his political progenies, cut-n-run is the new Democratic mantra. I'm glad Bush is fixing most of Clinton's foreign policy mistakes. Instead of shooting $100 million missiles at empty tents, camels, and children medicine factory, he's fighting back.


Huh?

The US has no $100 million missiles. Your figures must have come from Paul Wolfowitz or some other ignoranamus. Tomahawk missiles run about $1.9 mil. each.

Is foreign policy success about getting your way or about getting your way without war. Bush certainly knows how to wage war to get his way. Of course when the US spends more on its military than the next 50 nations combined one would assume that to be a foregone conclusion.

What has Bush "fixed" in Iraq? Seems to me that the conclusion is still up in the air.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Prior to 9/11 what did Bush do differently from Clinton wrt to terrorism?

Everything. Where were you in mid-February of 2000 when Colin Powell was outlining US foreign policy should Bush be elected? I remember that week like it was yesterday.

Huh?

The US has no $100 million missiles. Your figures must have come from Paul Wolfowitz or some other ignoranamus. Tomahawk missiles run about $1.9 mil. each.

Is foreign policy success about getting your way or about getting your way without war. Bush certainly knows how to wage war to get his way. Of course when the US spends more on its military than the next 50 nations combined one would assume that to be a foregone conclusion.

What has Bush "fixed" in Iraq? Seems to me that the conclusion is still up in the air.

Well, then I guess that makes about 53 missiles aimed at camels, empty tents, and a medicine factory, right? What did that get us? Nothing.

Bush has fixed Hussein for violating 16 Article VII UN resolutions.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Prior to 9/11 what did Bush do differently from Clinton wrt to terrorism?

Everything. Where were you in mid-February of 2000 when Colin Powell was outlining US foreign policy should Bush be elected? I remember that week like it was yesterday.

Policy is not action. What did Bush do against terrorism prior to 9/11?
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Prior to 9/11 what did Bush do differently from Clinton wrt to terrorism?

Everything. Where were you in mid-February of 2000 when Colin Powell was outlining US foreign policy should Bush be elected? I remember that week like it was yesterday.

Policy is not action. What did Bush do against terrorism prior to 9/11?

Like I said, look back at that week in history. Bush outlined his vision for the next four years. His main concerns were NATO, WMDs and terrorism. He outlined it in the speech by Powell. He said that every terror-sponsoring nation would be dealt with differently. He said that NATO should be restructured. Powell also spoke about the re-working of the Middle East (peace initiative).
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Prior to 9/11 what did Bush do differently from Clinton wrt to terrorism?

Everything. Where were you in mid-February of 2000 when Colin Powell was outlining US foreign policy should Bush be elected? I remember that week like it was yesterday.

Policy is not action. What did Bush do against terrorism prior to 9/11?

Like I said, look back at that week in history. Bush outlined his vision for the next four years. His main concerns were NATO, WMDs and terrorism. He outlined it in the speech by Powell. He said that every terror-sponsoring nation would be dealt with differently. He said that NATO should be restructured. Powell also spoke about the re-working of the Middle East (peace initiative).

What did Bush DO about Terrorism prior to 9/11? Not SAY, DO.
 

sMiLeYz

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The Clinton Record

CREATING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND SECURITY FOR ALL AMERICANS

* Signed the Economic Package, August 10, 1993.
* The economy created 7.7 million new jobs in the first 34 months of this Administration.
* Passed the largest deficit-cutting plan in history -- saving more than $1 trillion over seven years.
* On track for three consecutive years of deficit reduction -- for the first time since Harry Truman.
* Cut federal spending by $255 billion over 5 years.
* Made new tax cuts available to over 90% of small businesses.
* Unemployment has fallen from 7% when President Clinton took office to its current rate of 5.6%
* Lowest combined rate of unemployment and inflation since 1968.
* 1994 real GDP growth was the highest in a decade.
* Proposed a plan to balance the budget while protecting critical investments in education.

PROMOTING A FUTURE OF OPPORTUNITY

* Increased Head Start funding by almost $760 million.
* Passed the Student Loan Reform Act, August 10, 1993.
* Implemented the National Service Act, September 21, 1993.
* Signed the Goals 2000: Educate America Act, March 31, 1994.
* Enacted the School-to-Work Opportunities Act on May 4, 1994.
* Signed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act Reauthorization

MAKING COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS SAFE FOR OUR FAMILIES

* Passed the toughest most comprehensive Crime Bill ever, September 13, 1994
* Signed the Brady Bill, November 30, 1993.
* Enacted the Assault Weapons Ban as part of the Crime Bill.
* Put 100,000 new police on the street -- nearly 31,000 more officers have been funded.
* Signed the Violence Against Women Act as part of the Crime Bill.
* Signed the Safe and Drug-Free Schools Act, October 20, 1994.
* Issued Presidential Directive enforcing a "Zero Tolerance" gun policy in schools, October 22, 1994
* Submitted and fought for the most comprehensive Drug Control budget ever.

MAKING GOVERNMENT WORK BETTER AND COST LESS

* Already cut the Federal Workforce by over 200,000 -- on the way to lowest level in 30 years.
* Abolishing 16,000 pages of obsolete regulations and rewriting 31,000 more pages.
* $58 billion in savings are already in the bank. $46 billion in savings are still to come.
* Over 180 new recommendations will save $70 billion. Eliminated 284 federal advisory committees.
* Developed government-wide Customer Service Standards for the first time.
* Appointed the most diverse Cabinet and Administration in history.
* Signed the most important federal procurement act ever to streamline government purchasing.
* Reformed Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation to protect 8.5 million pensions.
* Signed the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act, March 22, 1995.

CREATING OPPORTUNITY IN AMERICA'S COMMUNITIES

* Created nine Economic Empowerment Zones and 95 Enterprise Communities.
* Signed the Community Development Banking Financial Institutions Act, Sept. 23, 1994.
* Signed the Interstate Banking Bill, September 29, 1994.
* Instituted the Defense Reinvestment and Conversion Initiative.
* Reformed the Community Reinvestment Act to focus on performance rather than paperwork.
* Made the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit and Mortgage Revenue Bond Program permanent.

PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AND OUR PUBLIC HEALTH

* Issued a new executive order to require polluters to disclose information to the public and expanded the public's right-to-know about toxic releases.
* Launched "reinventing environmental regulation" to cut red tape and better protect public health.
* Issued a new standard to cut pollution from chemical plants 90% by 1997.
* Signed executive orders to increase recycling and cut pollution in federal buildings.
* Signed the California Desert Protection Act, October 31, 1994.
* Issued a new standard to cut pollution from incinerators 95%.
* Introduced comprehensive Safe Drinking Water and Superfund reforms.
* Developed a plan to restore Florida's Everglades.
* Ended decades of conflict over the allocation of California Bay-Delta water.

PROMOTING HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS

* Passed the Family and Medical Leave Act, February 5, 1993.
* Signed a comprehensive Child Immunization Plan.
* Revoked the Reagan/Bush restrictions on abortion counseling ("the gag rule"), abortions in military hospitals, "Mexico City" policy and RU-486 imports.
* Increased Ryan White CARE Act funding for outpatient AIDS care over 100% in first 3 budgets.
* Put the Women, Infants and Children Program (WIC) on a full-funding path.
* Increased funding 65% for breast cancer research.
* As part of the balanced budget plan, introduced health care reform initiative which strengthens Medicare and expands coverage.
* Proposed a $1.3 billion increase in veterans' benefits -- of which $1 billion will be directed to the VA health system to provide treatment for 43,000 more veterans.

PRESERVING AND STRENGTHENING OUR FAMILIES

* Expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit providing tax relief for 15 million working families.
* Introduced the Work and Responsibility Act - comprehensive welfare reform.
* Passed the Family Support and Preservation Program.
* Passed major funding increases for homeless programs in both Houses.
* Approved 35 waivers to states permitting comprehensive welfare reform demonstrations.
* Collected a record $10 billion in child support through enforcement in 1994.
* Signed the Social Security Independent Agency Act.
* Increased adoption and foster care funds by almost $600 million from 1994-1995.

RESTORING TRUST IN OUR GOVERNMENT

* Signed the National Voter Registration Act (Motor-Voter), May 20, 1993.
* Eliminated the tax deduction for lobbying expenses.
* Imposed strictest Administration ethics guidelines in history.
* Barred top officials from becoming foreign lobbyists after leaving government.
* Signed the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 -- the first overhaul of lobbying rules in 50 years.
* Fought for passage of and signed into law the Congressional Accountability Act, January 22, 1995.
* Fought for passage of line-item veto and campaign finance.

OPENING FOREIGN MARKETS TO AMERICAN GOODS

* Signed NAFTA into law, December 8, 1993, which will create hundreds of thousands of US jobs.
* Signed GATT into law, December 8, 1994, the largest trade agreement in history.
* Secured free-trade commitments from Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) leaders.
* Hosted Summit of the Americas and agreed to negotiate a Free Trade Area of the Americas by 2005
* Developed National Export Strategy, eliminating outdated export controls on $35 billion in exports.
* Opened 15 different market sectors in Japan ranging from telecommunications procurement to rice.
* Reached historic agreement with Japan on opening its automotive market to billions of dollars worth of American cars and parts.
* Reached agreement with China to provide intellectual property rights protection for billions of dollars worth of U.S. exports.

AMERICAN LEADERSHIP

* Helped Israel and Jordan achieve an historic peace treaty and Israel and the Palestinians fulfill their historic accord.
* Contributed to an historic cease-fire in Northern Ireland.
* Restored democratically elected Haitian President Aristide to power; will continue to stop the flow of refugees to Florida.
* Undertook, with NATO allies and UN, military and diplomatic actions to alleviate the suffering and lead the effort to broker a comprehensive peace agreement in Bosnia.
* Russian nuclear missiles are no longer pointed at our cities.
* Persuaded Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan to give up the nuclear weapons left on their land when the Soviet Union collapsed.
* Agreed to framework with North Korea that freezes and leads to the eventual elimination of North Korea s dangerous nuclear program.
* Led the international effort to secure the indefinite and unconditional extension of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) further reducing the danger of nuclear proliferation around the world.
* Working to prevent nuclear weapons from ending up in the hands of terrorists or international criminals.
* Air-lifted more than half a ton of vulnerable, highly enriched uranium, enough to make dozens of nuclear bombs, from Kazakhstan to safe storage.
* Assisted South Africa's transition to democracy, providing support for elections and development.
* Bringing the nations of Europe closer:
-- Modernizing NATO;
-- Working with Russia;
-- Reforming the former Soviet Union economies
* Waging a tough counter-terrorism campaign with stronger laws and more training for law enforcement.
* Maintaining strong sanctions against states that sponsor terrorism and defy the rule of rule, such as Iran, Iraq, Libya and Sudan.
* Sent our planes, ships and troops to turn back a new Iraqi threat to the Persian Gulf.
 

LunarRay

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You have to admit Bush did sign the Patriot Act into law after 9/11 and illegally invade Iraq and shot up some caravan in Syria.. he also spent a bit blowing up the landscape in Afghanistan.. and increased the value of Halliburton.. and will insure that we have a democrate in the white house come early '05.
 

DealMonkey

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Bush didn't do jack sh!t regarding terrorism prior to 9/11. He didn't act, he merely reacted. Iraq was a waste of time aimed at distracting Americans from the economy, distracting Americans from the fact that OBL was never found, and making it look like he was busy prosecuting the WoT. If you can't be effectual, at least make it look like you're doing something.

EDIT: It's funny how Dari opens this thread pretending to ask about Clinton's legacy, but instead all he does is point out how "cool" Bush is in comparison. Kind of hard to take you seriously anymore Dari, it really is...
 

Red Dawn

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Anyone see Angels in America? They had a Character that was the spitting Image of Dari. He even had a Mentor like Dari in Roy Cohen
 

sMiLeYz

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I think he spent a good part of his tenure at his ranch, if not mistaken. All that thinking is hardwork.
 

Moonbeam

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Probably the most astounding thing about Clinton is tha Bush is ten times worse. That shouldn't have been even theoretically possible.
 

LunarRay

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His legacy includes the inability to add more to the Supreme Thwart which is the reason for the treason.. or however one views the denigration of the nation by lies and mis-deeds.. if that occurred..
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
You have to admit Bush did sign the Patriot Act into law after 9/11 and illegally invade Iraq and shot up some caravan in Syria.. he also spent a bit blowing up the landscape in Afghanistan.. and increased the value of Halliburton.. and will insure that we have a democrate in the white house come early '05.

Hehehe

I'd like to see one of the Bush supporters that would jump off that Bridge for him post Bush's record up like Smileyz.
Of course they will blame everything Foreign Policy wise on 9/11 and everything Economy related on Clinton.
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Ldir

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Originally posted by: Dari
It seems like for his political progenies, cut-n-run is the new Democratic mantra. I'm glad Bush is fixing most of Clinton's foreign policy mistakes. Instead of shooting $100 million missiles at empty tents, camels, and children medicine factory, he's fighting back.

This message authorized by the Bush Apologists of America (BAA). Blaming everything on Clinton since 1992.


Isn't cut-n-run Dubya's new policy in Iraq?
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Prior to 9/11 what did Bush do differently from Clinton wrt to terrorism?

Clinton tried to get OBL. Dubya ignored his security briefing and took the month off.