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What is usenet?

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Usenet is apparently where Hastur is hanging out now 🙂.

It's a set of groups where you can post articles and reply in turn. Most groups are not moderated, and as such can be more vulgar and generally odd. Not being heavily moderated and not being found by most AOLites are the two main reasons it hasn't died.

Start of Distilled Usenet Bitterness plot
 
LOL, this brings back memories of the times when I used to read rec.aquaria.tech and .freshwater. Sadly, that ISP didn't carry alt.bin.*, and I didn't know about (and was not able to afford) a third-party news server. The ISP that I'm with now does not have any news server at all, and life has gotten busier, and I think web-based usenet interfaces suck, so I've not been reading newsgroups much any more (AnandTech has taken their place as a major time-consumer for me). 😱
 
Originally posted by: Krk3561
whats a high quality third party server that has unlimited d/ls?
Hahahahahaa... ahh..

Nobody has unmetered downloads, at least no one with a decent cache of binary groups. One of the best in terms of completion, retention and price is easynews, about $10 a month for 6gb of data. Headers are free.

I recommend Agent as a client, by forte. The other clients are good, I've used them and not found them to be my style but maybe they've improved over the last year.

Binaries are typically rar'ed and par'ed now adays. You'll need a copy of winrar and smartpar available if you're heading towards that direction.

 
Oh, and if you're thinking of using usenet for discussions, don't bother in my opinion. It only takes one or two asses to make a wreck of any group and there's always guaranteed to be one. Moderated forums like this are typically better.
 
**USENET PRIMER**

What's a good Usenet provider?

Easynews > * > Your ISP's newsgroups

Example. If you fetched headers for alt.binaries.mp3.complete_cd, the rundown might look something like this:

Easynews: 500,000 headers, 24 days retention, 99% completion
Giganews: 300,000 headers, 18 days retention, 92% completion
Usenetnews: 120,000 headers, 9 days retention, 75% completion

Any given ISP: 20,000 headers, 2 days retention, 20% completion


Should I use Outlook Express to read news?

Oh, HELL no.
Use Forte Agent for text and smaller groups, and NewsBin Pro for large binary downloads. It is a VERY robust and efficient program with low overhead. For individual files, it's good to use Easynews' web interface.


How do I find stuff?

1) Poke around blindly in the newsgroups and hope you get lucky
2) Search in each group using the Easynews web interface
3) Join a binary news search database, such as Binnews


How does the file downloading work?

Because Usenet was created as a method for transferring text-based messages, a workaround is necessary to transmit binary files. What happens is that they are encoded using "UUEncode" or now, more recently, "yENC" -- a method of file encryption/compression that turns the binary file into a very very long string of text. The resulting "message" is broken into "parts" and posted onto the group. Your newsreader reads the first of these posts and usually knows to collate the subsequent parts and turn them back into the original file.


What's all this about RAR, PAR, SFV, NFO...?

RAR: Most files that are compressed and transmitted via newsgroups are done so with RAR encoding. It is more efficient than ZIP, has superior error correction, and allows the file to be broken into equally sized chunks so you're not stuck downloading one 1500MB file. A family of RAR files can be named "filename.part01.rar"...."filename.part04.rar"...etc or filename.rar...filename.r01...filename.r02...etc. they're both the same thing. The best tool for opening these is WinRAR.

PAR: Let's say you find something you need on Usenet. It has files with filename.rar to filename.r50. However, you're missing files "filename.r22" and "filename.r45." Are you screwed? Not if the original poster was thoughtul enough to include the PARity, or .PAR files as well. These files are generally the same size as each chunk of the archive (RAR) files, and there should be a ratio of 1:3 PAR:RAR. What these files do is store parity data of the entire archive. By looking at the checksum of the file before and after the missing file, these PAR files can determine what data should have belonged in the middle, and generate a replacement RAR. Think of it as using DNA to clone an extinct species.

To use them, you should download the original .PAR (if available) as well as enough ".Pxx" files (i.e. P01, P02) to cover the number of missing RAR files you have. (technicality: you can clone infinite numbers of RAR files using just ONE Pxx file, but this is easier). The program SmartPAR should be your tool of choice in this matter.

SFV: Not sure if your downloads are all there or if something is corrupted? Download the .SFV file that should be included with the RARs, and run QuickSFV to make sure it's kosher.

NFO: Many times, a file or series of files will have an iNFO, or .NFO file included. Windows defaults to opening these with the System Info service, which won't help since .NFO is just plain text. re-assign the opening of .NFO files to Notepad. These files generally include distribution info, and essential information about the program or files it's associated with.


*more to come*
 
ok so i can pay $10 a month to download illegal stuff (since that's what lots of people use usenet for) or i can do it for free on IRC. oh the possibilities...

*notice* i'm in now way trying to imply that is what you guys use newsgroups for. just saying what lots use it for.
 
Originally posted by: amnesiac
up for my damn good FAQ.

Wow. It really is. I don't know much about newsgroups...many have tried to teach me...but I get distracted.

*reading now*

Thanks, amnesiac. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: hdeck
ok so i can pay $10 a month to download illegal stuff (since that's what lots of people use usenet for) or i can do it for free on IRC. oh the possibilities...

*notice* i'm in now way trying to imply that is what you guys use newsgroups for. just saying what lots use it for.

Usenet is a lot more user friendly.
 
Originally posted by: amnesiac
up for my damn good FAQ.


hell yah. that is a DAMN good FAQ.




one question guys: i use mIRC (i frequent newnet mostly) for my "backup" needs. how does usenet and IRC compare?
 
Originally posted by: hdeck
ok so i can pay $10 a month to download illegal stuff (since that's what lots of people use usenet for) or i can do it for free on IRC. oh the possibilities...

*notice* i'm in now way trying to imply that is what you guys use newsgroups for. just saying what lots use it for.

But can IRC deliver a constant 10-12Mbps (with the occasional burst to the 15-20Mbps range) without any waiting in line? 🙂
 
Originally posted by: theNEOone
Originally posted by: amnesiac
up for my damn good FAQ.


hell yah. that is a DAMN good FAQ.




one question guys: i use mIRC (i frequent newnet mostly) for my "backup" needs. how does usenet and IRC compare?

I have very little experience with usenet, but from what i know from people who use both, usenet is more user-friendly in that if a file is there, it's going to stay there for a few days. With IRC, you queue up for 30 hours, download at 4kb/s, and get cut off at 90%. Easynews has an OC-xx connection, and allows up to 6 concurrent connections at once. Can we say bandwidth city, boys and girls?
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
the first rule of usenet, is you DON'T TALK ABOUT USENET! :disgust:

Too late. "They" have already found it. Some servers are already nuking posts per requests of the authoritah.
However, the suits have to request EACH INDIVIDUAL POST to be baleeted. That's a lot of work, and not likely to have a significant impact on anything, since 1) the posts can stay up for a good 3 days or so before they can be dealt with, 2) can't stop the reposts, and 3) the 0-day groups move every couple weeks.
 
Originally posted by: amnesiac
Originally posted by: theNEOone
Originally posted by: amnesiac
up for my damn good FAQ.


hell yah. that is a DAMN good FAQ.




one question guys: i use mIRC (i frequent newnet mostly) for my "backup" needs. how does usenet and IRC compare?

I have very little experience with usenet, but from what i know from people who use both, usenet is more user-friendly in that if a file is there, it's going to stay there for a few days. With IRC, you queue up for 30 hours, download at 4kb/s, and get cut off at 90%. Easynews has an OC-xx connection, and allows up to 6 concurrent connections at once. Can we say bandwidth city, boys and girls?


so it's easier and faster?!?!

i'm sold.

 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
oh im sorry, i shouldve naviagted those 40 links within that page and screwed around until i got an extreme headache, or you coulda just said "use outlook"

thank you for giving me a solid reply... ive been trying to find out for months... seriously... tyvm

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as being rude. I appologize.

The links I gave are really indepth descriptions of the usenet community. Kind of a primer before heading out into the field.

 
usenet is like a giant forum. each ISP has a mirror to it. its like a different section of the internet.


i used to post there in high school. in the same forums anand posted in, i mean i've posted in threads he posted in.


there are binaries news groups too. warez and vcd rips etc. like posted as attachments with MIME to like 80 part strings of messages. a friend of mine gets a lot of dvd rips there.
 
If you're looking to search old usenet articles, just go to google. Kind of neat to see all those old messages, you can read about the same Mac/PC arguments way back in 1985 for instance.
 
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