What is this neo thing everybody suddenly is?

[Sunbird]

Neocon, neolib?

What are they? Something to do with conservative (linked to being republican?) and liberal (democrat?)?


Thank you.

 

[dardin211]

Neo = new.

So NeoCon means, new conservative.

 

[Stunt]

Neoconservatism is a mindset of very few conservatives; it is a platform where the government takes on traditional conservative policies domestically, but are liberal or frivelous with resources overseas. Today's republican party is neoconservative. They believe in funding overseas campaigns, tax cuts and government program cuts (could have fooled me in the first term)

 

[Sunbird]

So, how are they different from old conservatives?

 

[miketheidiot]

neocons are basically a subgroup of the democratic party the broke off in the 60's and realigned with the republicans during the 80's.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

note the founders http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

many of the names should be familiar.

 

[Orsorum]

Neoconservatism
Neoliberalism

 

[Starbuck1975]

The funny thing is that there is nothing new about NeoConservatism...the extreme right wing has always existed, and it has always sought to impose its Christian based values and American centric worldview on the rest of society.

The social revolution of the 60s and progressive secularism of the 70s, 80s and 90s limited the exposure and influence of the extreme right wing.

For whatever reason, 9/11 was the catalyst that threw them back into power.

NeoConservatism should be a progressive move away from traditional conservatism.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Neoliberals (have nothing to do with liberals; though areound here it's usually used as an ignorant retort to being called a neoconservative) are free market advocates, who believe in small government.

Neoconservatives are a closely related group who also believe in aggressive foreign policy, including military involvment to protect domestic interests.

Neoconservatives do not necessarily include the religious-conservatism that characterizes the Bush Administration, so calling someone a 'neo-con' because of support for a socially conservative policy is incorrect (and this is why people using the word 'neocon' here are almost as likely to be displaying ignorance of the meanings of their words as someone calling a liberal 'neolib').

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Sunbird
So, how are they different from old conservatives?

Old conservatives are/were for individual liberty and fiscal responsibility. Neocons are those championing big gov't and less individuality, yet are disallusioned and still call themselves conservative.

 

[Sunbird]

I see, so its like a neonazi is just basically a nazi, they just say new, cause they're not the old ones?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Sunbird
I see, so its like a neonazi is just basically a nazi, they just say new, cause they're not the old ones?

No it's quite different - neonazis are very nazi-like.

neoliberals are very much like old liberals (pre-Marx), as they used to be the small-gov't individual liberty party.

neoconservatives have nothing to do with traditional conservatism; they are neoliberals with a strong irrational twist.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Sunbird
I see, so its like a neonazi is just basically a nazi, they just say new, cause their not the old ones?

They consider themselves conservatives because they believe in lower taxes (ironic, because real conservatives believe simultaneously in low taxation AND fiscal responsibility), a strong meld of church and state (which is ironic, because real conservatives believe in a strong separation of church and state, and especially the abuse of government for religious ideological ends), an opposition to abortion (traditional conservative tenet), and an opposition to gay marriage as long as it's politically convenient to say so (traditional conservatives are typically opposed to public displays of homosexual behavior - I fall into Libertarian philsophy on this, homosexuality doesn't bother me nor does the prospect of homosexual unions).

 

[Sunbird]

Oh, now I see.

I glad I'm into computers. Much easier to understand.

Not that is wrong to try to learn about other things, just sometimes makes your head hurt.

You guys explain great though.

 

[Infohawk]

If you've heard neoliberals on this board then it's probably because people aren't that smart. Yes, there is a neoliberalism but the conservatives here usually use it as a childish retort because they don't understand what 'neo' means. Oftentimes they think it's like some bad word you append to an idea you don't like.

 

[Kibbo]

Orsorum, you are incorrect.

Neoconservative philosophy has little or nothing to say about religion, abourtion or other social issues. What they do say, however, is that they think it's ok to make policy based on political expediency, if it helps get the important stuff done. This is why they are willing to run a deficit in order to cut taxes, a fiscally and economically irresponsible thing to do.

Remember that the originators of neo-conservatism were Kennedy-era liberals. You know, McNamara and the like who got us into Vietnam? Many of them adopted neo-liberal economic policies as they aged, but kept the aggressive foreign policy.

The relationship between the neo-cons and the religious right is a marriage designed for electoral success. They are not philosophically dependent on each other.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Sunbird
So, how are they different from old conservatives?

"Conservative" means one is cautious and deliberative about making changes and takes the time to evaluate the impact such changes would cause. Neocons are actually radicals hiding under a name they think they can slide under the radar while playing destruction derby with our liberties and democratic institutions. :frown:

 

[1EZduzit]

Neo meaning "new". Con meaning "scam".

Put them together and you get "new scam"!!

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Sunbird
Neocon, neolib?

What are they? Something to do with conservative (linked to being republican?) and liberal (democrat?)?


Thank you.

Good resource here.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
Orsorum, you are incorrect.

Neoconservative philosophy has little or nothing to say about religion, abourtion or other social issues. What they do say, however, is that they think it's ok to make policy based on political expediency, if it helps get the important stuff done. This is why they are willing to run a deficit in order to cut taxes, a fiscally and economically irresponsible thing to do.

Remember that the originators of neo-conservatism were Kennedy-era liberals. You know, McNamara and the like who got us into Vietnam? Many of them adopted neo-liberal economic policies as they aged, but kept the aggressive foreign policy.

The relationship between the neo-cons and the religious right is a marriage designed for electoral success. They are not philosophically dependent on each other.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

Thanks for the correction, I made my post in haste and was thinking more of the current administration rather than Neoconservatism as a movement.

 

[imported_Condor]

Just the liberal?s mild mannered way to demonize us. We are pretty used to it. Gives us something to get them back for. We have pet names for them too.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Condor
Just the liberal?s mild mannered way to demonize us. We are pretty used to it. Gives us something to get them back for. We have pet names for them too.

I'd say the term is used more often in a pejorative manner by traditional conservatives than it is by liberals.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Condor
Just the liberal?s mild mannered way to demonize us. We are pretty used to it. Gives us something to get them back for. We have pet names for them too.

I'd say the term is used more often in a pejorative manner by traditional conservatives than it is by liberals.

Not in this forum.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Condor
Just the liberal?s mild mannered way to demonize us. We are pretty used to it. Gives us something to get them back for. We have pet names for them too.

I'd say the term is used more often in a pejorative manner by traditional conservatives than it is by liberals.

Not in this forum.

That's because you classify most of the traditional conservatives on this forum as 'liberals'.

A traditional conservative wouldn't touch the Bush platform with a 10 foot pole.