What is this "cotillion" crap?

WinkOsmosis

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My niece is in some class where they teach her how to be "a proper lady". Who invented this BS? This isn't even traditional etiquette (if there is any such thing). They were invented 50 years ago max, and they teach it to these poor kids like it's the gospel. Forcing kids to sit with their legs at a 10° angle is unamerican. Communists! Then they have the nerve to call them "cotillions". If someone called me that, I would either a) hit them or b) cry and run away.

I'll have to take pictures of the little communist book they gave her.
 

EvilYoda

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There's an event next year, on campus, called the "Supercotillion"...I guess the Filipinos adopted the hispanic tradition of a woman's "coming of age" celebration.

I'm a little confused by your description tho....weird.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
There's an event next year, on campus, called the "Supercotillion"...I guess the Filipinos adopted the hispanic tradition of a woman's "coming of age" celebration.

I'm a little confused by your description tho....weird.

I'm just ranting about how idiotic it is, especially because they treat etiquette like something that matters.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: notfred
WTF are you talking about? Is this a religious school?

It's some kind of watered down rite of passage. They teach like 13 year old kids how to sit properly (if you want to develop back problems) and other nonsense.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
they treat etiquette like something that matters.

Uhhhhh.....? You don't concern yourself with manners and etiquette?

I don't sit with my back slanted sideways just to look proper and I don't sit sideways with one hand at 12 o'clock on my steering wheel just to look cool. Both are the same to me, and a class on either topic is absurd.
 

notfred

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so, is this a religious thing or what? I can't see a public junior high school teaching this.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: notfred
so, is this a religious thing or what? I can't see a public junior high school teaching this.

As far as I know it's a secular thing. Not taught by the school. I guess it's a class like dance classes etc, priced just right for the upper middle class.
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Originally posted by: notfred
so, is this a religious thing or what? I can't see a public junior high school teaching this.

As far as I know it's a secular thing. Not taught by the school. I guess it's a class like dance classes etc, priced just right for the upper middle class.

Oh, so it's like after school thing? Why do we care then? It's not like she's being forced by the governemt to go. If she doesn't like it, she can quit.
 

MaxDepth

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
they treat etiquette like something that matters.

Uhhhhh.....? You don't concern yourself with manners and etiquette?

[snif]Obviously he's some ill-bred Yankee.
:p

Sorry, Jelly-boy, but Cotillion has been around for more than 100 years. It parallels the spring debutante's ball. It started as the means of the old rich southerns to keep and codify their traditions and ways before the civil war.

Basically, it's a class for manners, deportment, and ballroom dancing. Once a week for like ten weeks (yeah, three months), the teachers teach you:
how to receive guests to a party,
how to be presented/introduced into social settings,
what that little fork and extra set of spoons are for at the pricey restaurants
posture while eating
ballroom dancing: waltz, foxtrot, lindy-hop, tennessee waltz, virginia reel, etc.
and basic manners.

these classes were usually held for only the children of "higher society" and members of the country club.
It use to signal the beginning to adulthood, which really meant you learned how to network amongst the hoi-poli and peers.

I went through it [egads!] 23 years ago. I must admit it helped me with my postion at the dinner table. Also, you don't know how many surprised girlfriends (and dates) I had when they found out I could ballrom dance. Let's just say knowing how to dance increased the likelyhood of getting some after dancing. ;) especially since they also taught me how to wear a tuxedo and to tie a real bow-tie. kind of like james bond camp for me. :D

I don't know how much any of this still applies to your niece's generation as they will grow up. But table manners are always welcome in my house.

May I ask where your sister or brother is living (where your niece is taking this class)?
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Originally posted by: notfred
so, is this a religious thing or what? I can't see a public junior high school teaching this.

As far as I know it's a secular thing. Not taught by the school. I guess it's a class like dance classes etc, priced just right for the upper middle class.

Oh, so it's like after school thing? Why do we care then? It's not like she's being forced by the governemt to go. If she doesn't like it, she can quit.

Well no.. her parents like that stuff. She may like it too.. I'm just saying that it's COMMUNIST. :)
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Originally posted by: notfred
so, is this a religious thing or what? I can't see a public junior high school teaching this.

As far as I know it's a secular thing. Not taught by the school. I guess it's a class like dance classes etc, priced just right for the upper middle class.

Oh, so it's like after school thing? Why do we care then? It's not like she's being forced by the governemt to go. If she doesn't like it, she can quit.

Well no.. her parents like that stuff. She may like it too.. I'm just saying that it's COMMUNIST. :)

You have no idea what communism is, do you?
 

tweakmm

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MaxDepth is right, cotillion is a program that is supposed to teach you manners and such. My parents sent me to something similar except smaller and most of my friends did cotillion. Being the son of a country club manager who was the son of a country club manager, I had to learn "acceptable" social behavior at a young age.
 

db

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What nobody seems to notice is that things we do everyday are all about being proper or acceptable, to our friends or whoever's opinion is important to us.
You learn the right cool words to say, the cool handshake, the cool attitude, some people even have the cool walk, etc.
All this cotillion stuff and ediquitte has its place and definately comes in handy, usually later on. But usually not with your cool friends now.