What is the smallest audio format.

antyler

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I have about 30 gigs of music on my 100 gig laptop hardrive. Without the option of going external or anything, id like to crunch down the amount of memory this music takes up. Are not one of the formats for music smaller than the rest? Would putting the music in a zip file or something of the sort be worthwhile also?
 

So

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no. If you transcode your music it will lose quality, and zipping it will provide next to no bonus.
 

bluewall21

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If it's not compressed already, you could use FLAC or some other lossless codec to get a "perfect" copy in less space.
 

Goosemaster

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both so and bluewall21 are correct. WE need more info fro myou as to what types of files they are and such.

odds are that they are not lossless or WAV files and don't have many options.
 

antyler

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All of the music files are in Itunes format, which is mp4 i believe. They used to be WMA format. They were just switched using the simple "set as default media player option" which converted them. None of the files are compressed, they are just saved as regular files in regular format.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: antyler
All of the music files are in Itunes format, which is mp4 i believe. They used to be WMA format. They were just switched using the simple "set as default media player option" which converted them. None of the files are compressed, they are just saved as regular files in regular format.

mp4 means the are compressed in a lossy format. ie, they have already been transcoded and doing that again will make it worse since lossy codecs remove informations from the file. Odds are they are encoded in 128kps AAC which is the itunes default.

Just leave them alone. Nothing to be done. You've already done enough damage already.
 

0roo0roo

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itunes aka aac or mp4 is already highly compressed as said. u aren't going to be able to sqeeze more outa it. itunes 128kbs or whatever is borderline already, it doesn't have bitrate to spare...let alone to drop down to an even lower bit rate. many of us use 192-225kb/s mp3..or even 320kbs::p
 

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: antyler
All of the music files are in Itunes format, which is mp4 i believe. They used to be WMA format. They were just switched using the simple "set as default media player option" which converted them. None of the files are compressed, they are just saved as regular files in regular format.

mp4 means the are compressed in a lossy format. ie, they have already been transcoded and doing that again will make it worse since lossy codecs remove informations from the file. Odds are they are encoded in 128kps AAC which is the itunes default.

Just leave them alone. Nothing to be done. You've already done enough damage already.
what damage? aac is mpeg-4 music and 128kbps AAC is about equal to 256kbps mp3. you could take it down to even 64kbps AAC and it would sound like 128kbps mp3. but since i'm assuming you don't want to lose anymore quailty, the answer is that nothing can be done. these songs are as compressed as they will get.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: ForumMaster
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: antyler
All of the music files are in Itunes format, which is mp4 i believe. They used to be WMA format. They were just switched using the simple "set as default media player option" which converted them. None of the files are compressed, they are just saved as regular files in regular format.

mp4 means the are compressed in a lossy format. ie, they have already been transcoded and doing that again will make it worse since lossy codecs remove informations from the file. Odds are they are encoded in 128kps AAC which is the itunes default.

Just leave them alone. Nothing to be done. You've already done enough damage already.
what damage? aac is mpeg-4 music and 128kbps AAC is about equal to 256kbps mp3. you could take it down to even 64kbps AAC and it would sound like 128kbps mp3.


It doesn't work that way. When you encode/transcode to a lossy format you are removing data. Doing it again makes it a LOT worse.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: ForumMaster
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: antyler
All of the music files are in Itunes format, which is mp4 i believe. They used to be WMA format. They were just switched using the simple "set as default media player option" which converted them. None of the files are compressed, they are just saved as regular files in regular format.

mp4 means the are compressed in a lossy format. ie, they have already been transcoded and doing that again will make it worse since lossy codecs remove informations from the file. Odds are they are encoded in 128kps AAC which is the itunes default.

Just leave them alone. Nothing to be done. You've already done enough damage already.
what damage? aac is mpeg-4 music and 128kbps AAC is about equal to 256kbps mp3. you could take it down to even 64kbps AAC and it would sound like 128kbps mp3.


It doesn't work that way. When you encode/transcode to a lossy format you are removing data. Doing it again makes it a LOT worse.

yup, its a photocopy of a photocopy. the original has already been lost. its not at all like zip. zip is lossless.

and no u can't zip compressed music. its compressed already. u can do lossless compression if u are interested in that. but thats like 2:1 compression or something for music. u are using 12:1 currently for lossy aac 128kbs? ...so u'd need massive disc space for that.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: Aimster
microsoft claims wma 64kbps = 128kbps mp3

sounds like CD quality to me
not by a longshot....


that said, it completely depends on the output device. If it is jsut an ipod with ipod earbuds it will probbably sound about the same.
 

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Originally posted by: Pciber
dude.. he said he needed the smallest audio format... midi for the win.

you can't really transcode audio to midi, because it uses synthesizers, how do you convert voice into keypad strokes?
 

antyler

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So what im getting is that ill have to live with the 30 gigs of space that the music takes up. Ok i guess ill just have to suck it up, or delete the saved copies. thanks.
 

QED

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Jumping in late here...

For those audiophiles here, what is your lossy compression format of choice, and at what bitrate?