What is the optimal partitions for a 30GB hard drive?

ktchong

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I've got a new blank IBM DeskStar 75GXP 30GB 7200RPM Ultra ATA/100 hard drive. I'm going to clean install Windows ME on it this weekend. I have never partitioned a hard drive before so I would like to hear from you guys on what is the optimal partition for a 30 gig hard drive.

Right now I probably want to have one small partition for Windows swap files, one around 1 gig for system and major apps, and another one around 1 gig for backing up files. I have to think of a way to partition the rest of the hard drive.

Nowadays I surf alot and use mostly productivity, educational, and multimedia apps (Microsoft Word, Money, My Life, Learn Spanish, etc.) I don't play Quake or Unreal or 3D shooters. As the matter of fact, I am moving away from gaming in general (gaming used to be the sole reason for me in getting new PCs.) I have only bought two games during the past two years, but I probably will play abit of CRPG, real-time strategy, and MechWarrior-like games in the future. Hopefully the information above would help you guys in coming up with a partitioning that suits me.
 

ktchong

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I've heard that each drive can only have up to four partitions including one extended partition. Have I heard right?

The original question was: What is the best way to partition a 30GB hard drive?
 

xtreme2k

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well i have a 20G 34GXP and a 15G 75GXP and this is what i did

20G partitioned into
2G - Win98se
4G - Download files
4G - Games
6G - Music
4x 750mb
550mb
the 750mb/550mb are made so that i can burn CD straight from 1 drive

15G only 1 partition
15G- Win2000

Primary master: 20G 34GXP
Primary Slave: CDR
Sec Master: 15G 75GXP
Sec Slave: none

so in windows this is my drive config
C: - Win98se
D: - Win2000
E: - Download
F: - Games
G: - Music
H:- L: - 750MB hard disk for CD buring
M: - CD Drive

 

LXi

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I would partition it this way if Im you:

5gigs for Windows/Apps/software...
5gigs for Games
20gigs for everything else(downloads, mp3s, documents...)
 

AMB

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For my 40Gb, I have swapped partitions around many times, but I found this the best:

C - System - 8Gb
D - Games - 22Gb
E - Data - 8Gb
F - Temp - 1Gb
 

NOX

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My 30gig IBMGXP ATA100
C:3gig
D:3gig
E:4gig
F:4gig
G:4gig
H:5gig
I:5gig
:)
 

oldfart

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Everyone will have a different answer. I think its a good idea to chop it up a bit, but mot excessivly. This is the way I did my 30 gig IBM:
C: 3 gig (windows), D: 13 gig (programs), E: 13 gig (data). The reason is that the fastest part of the drive is the outer tracks. With Windows and the swap living there, it will always use the fastest part. Programs are next in the D drive, with bulk storage going at the end in the E drive. I have 4k clusters in c: and 8k in D and E which are much more efficient than one big swap file. An additional benefit is it takes less time to defrag. I usually just do the C and D.
 

HellRaven

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30gb Quantum LM+

C:\ - 2gb (windows98,dos,few system apps)

D:\ - 10gb (programs,games)

E:\ - 10gb (downloads,some more programs, some more games)

F:\ - 8gb (385mb swap file, rest unused space reserved for later)


I decided I didn't want to go with alot of smaller partitions even though it would reduce somewhat the wasted space in clusters and just chopped it up like that on the fly using partition magic 4(which is a pretty damn buggy program IMO, but it worked in the end).
 

oldfart

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HellRaven, you use a similar method as I. One suggestion: Your swap is on the last partition which is the slowest part of the drive. It would be better to have it on the C: partition.
 

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I have a Maxtor 30 gig disk as follows:

c:\ windows & apps, primary boot partition, 8 gig
e:\ games, logical partition, 11 gig
f:\ mulitmedia, logical partition, 11 gig

I beleive your primary boot partition cannot exceed 4 gig for windows NT. Your motherboard must also support LBA or large disk support to recognize the full 30 gigs. I'd check your BIOS for limitations and see if you need to flash for this support. I'd also invest in something like PartionMagic 5.0 from Powerquest. This makes fdisking, formatting and resizing your disk on the fly childs play. It's worth the extra $ to avoid DOS setup and hassles.

I just moved data form 2 smaller disks 6.4 and 8.4 to my 30 gig disk with no problem, WITHOUT reinstalling a byte of data. All my setting were copied perfectly and the drive mapper utility reset all my links correctly.
 

andri

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This is how mine is partitioned:

2G: linux
256M: linux swap
2G: win98
2G: win2000
all the rest is one partition.
 

psongman

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What about partitioning for audio apps like Cakewalk. I am planninfg on Partitioning Magic mine this weekedn. Please assist!! IAT Psongman
 

Quickfingerz

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TOO MANY PARTITIONS IS VERY BAD! YOU END UP WITH WASTED SPACE. ALL YOU NEED IS A PARTITION FOR EACH OS. AND THEN A PARTITION FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT MEANS THAT MOST USERS SHOULD HAVE AT MOST 3 PARTITIONS (4 IF YOU USE LINUX). I HAVE 3 PARTITIONS WIN98SE, WIN2K, AND EVERYTHING ELSE (GAMES AND MP3'S MOVIES).
 

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I agree w\ Fingerz. I have a 30 gig split dwn the middle. I just ghosted 1 drive to another. I only have\use 1 op system right now. If c goes dwn,just fire up d: ghost back to c and you are back in business. Another alternative is Goback. A nice little SIFU correction program.lol
 

bigjon

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I would go with 2gig FAT16 for the first partition - it is faster and at the edge of the disk. Then make the rest FAT32/NTFS/whatever. JMHO.

Did you see the warning thread on the 75GXP and WinME? If not search for it - apparently there is an issue with this drive under WinME that requires a flash patch to fix.
 

BigToque

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I have my 12gb drive in 2 partitions.

1. 3GB NTFS (Windows 2000 + Office 2000 + all my applications)

2. 9GB FAT32 (Games + Audio + Downloads + Everything else)

I put all my applications on 1 partition. This way, when I ghost the drive, I have a fully working image, and I dont have to reinstall anything.
 

Modus

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Partitioning a large drive into several smaller chunks is almost never worth the added hassle. Why?

1) FAT32 renders "cluster slack" moot. With the standard 8k clusters imposed on a FAT32 partition larger than 8.4G, and 16k clusters for drives around 20G, the average 1.0G of data will waste a paltry 20M of space. How do I know this?

Well, I recently did a survey of several computers I sold. To do this on your own machine, go to My Computer, double click on C:\, press Ctrl-A, and click File>Properties (ignore any message about the hidden files in your root directory, they're insignificant). A window will pop up showing you some important numbers. First, a count of the files on this drive. Then, under "Size", two numbers: the first will be the total size of all your files, and the second will be the total space occupied by all your files including wasted clusters. The second number will always be a multiple of your cluster size, and it will always be large than the first number. (For your cluster size, type CHKDSK at the DOS prompt, and read the size of each allocation unit.) By subtracting the first number from the second number, you get the exact amount of wasted space on the drive. It ends up being a lot less than you'd expect.

Another interesting number is the average file size, which comes from dividing the total file size (not the total occupied space) by the number of files on the drive. With these numbers, I calculated the average size of a file on a well-used Windows 98 drive. I found an average file on an average system takes up 150k, which means that an average 1G of data contains about 6990 files. A very good estimate of the amount of wasted space in any size data is

(Total Size of Data / Average File Size) * (Cluster Size / 2)

Why? Well, files are stored on your hard drive according to the rule that no two files can occupy the same cluster. If a file is smaller than a cluster, or if the file ends before the end of a cluter, the rest of the cluster is wasted. Logically then, an average file will waste half a cluster, since by probability the end of this file will fall in the middle of a cluster. So the amount of wasted space for a given set of data is the number of files (Total Size / Average File Size) times one half of the cluster size. You can check this yourself by doing the calculation on your own data and comparing it to the exact number Windows gives. It is actually a very conservative estimate, probably because the base Windows files are smaller than the files you accumulate later, and because a few large files can save a lot of space.

This formula tells us two things: First, bigger clusters waste more space (duh). Second, larger average file sizes waste less space. People with drives occupied by the relatively huge files of MP3's and graphics waste very little space. Of course, under Windows 2000's NTFS partitions, cluster slack is negligible, due to the tiny 512 byte clusters (same size as on floppy disks, actually.)

2) The performance gains from tinkering with the Windows swap file are dubious at best. You would probably be better off working at minimum wage and devoting the money to a hard drive or ram upgrade than spending the same time wrestling with partitions! Even placing the swap file on the fastest portion of the disk shows very little, if any, real world performance benefit. And think of the hassle in managing it all.

3) FDISK is the only freely available partitioning tool and is hardly user friendly. You could go out and purchase Partition Magic or similar software, but for the same money you could just sell your old drive and buy a bigger, faster one!

4) Partitioning your hard drive will not save you time if you need to reinstall your OS. Why?

Even under a full-drive partition, Windows can be reinstalled on top of itself to fix minor problems, as can your programs if they become corrupted. This will take the same time regardless of your partition arrangement.

A common argument for partitions is that, with a small (600M or so) operating system partition and some kind of disk imaging software (Norton Ghost, for instance), you can restore a corrupted Windows installation in minutes. In reality, it just doesn't work this way. As soon as Windows is restored, the registry reverts to its default state and anything pertaining to your applications is lost, rendering them unstable or inoperable. This forces you to manually reinstall your applications to restore the lost registry keys. Of course, you don't have to restore your data, but any prudent individual would already have a safe external backup system, so all data could be retrieved easily from there.

So, the only time really saved by a small, OS-only partition, is the installation of the OS itself, which is not the biggest factor. In fact, the same time savings could be garnered by simply taking an image of the entire drive after installing all drivers/programs. This image, like any other important data, must be backed up externally, and once that is done, the partitioning scheme is again rendered redundant.

Many people argue that partitions allow them to backup their applications to a convinient storage area. This is weak because anyone with legal copies of their software will have the proper installation disks on hand. If certain programs downloaded from the Internet are important enough to backup to a serparate partition, then they are important enough to backup to safe removable media, rendering separate partitions redundant.

Personal data files, too, must always be backed up to some safe external medium, and since legitimate data files (financial records, written documents, contact lists) are so small, they often fit on a single floppy. Even if you work with large graphics, you must periodically back them up to some other external media, in case of theft, fire, or drive failure. And with CD burners so cheap and fast nowadays, there's no excuse not to backup your sensitive data in case of a hard drive crash. Hoping a hard drive crash will confine itself to a single partition is unwise.

The key point here is the backing up your data safely is an all-or-nothing business. You can't go half way and assume it does any good. To be prudent, you must take the proper precautions against fire, theft, or drive failure, and use an external backup device. Once that is done, partitioning holds very few advantages.

5) Partitioning does not help you organize your files. That's what folders are for. It is actually easier to keep track of your data files when they're all on the same drive, organized into different folders with descriptive names. It makes saving and navigation easier, too, because you never have to select a new drive to browse.

So we have basically eliminated all the reasons people give for partitioning data: It doesn't save you much space, it won't save you time reinstalling your OS and programs, it won't increase performance significantly, and it won't help you stay organized. About the ONLY thing partitions are good for is booting to multiple operating systems.

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BigToque

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Modus,

I agree with you that people dont need many partitions. but in my case, I need my 2nd partition to make a backup image of my c:\ partition.

I've heard your arguement about "if you have all your own legal cd's to programs you own, it takes just as much time to re-install all your programs as it does to restore a backup image"

In my case, re-installing everything would take a few hours. My image could be restored in about 30 minutes. As I mentioned before, I have my drive in 2 partitions. The first partition has Windows, all programs and applications. Everything I need for a fully working system is on my image. I backup all my data to a cd, and restore the image. I dont have to re-install any programs because all the programs and their registry entries are included in my image.
 

Modus

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Stefan,

But since this disk image is so vital to you, it too must be backed up externally. And once you do that, you eliminate the need for partitions.

Basically, if something is worth backing up, it's worth backing up properly.

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Elledan

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I think that it's advisable to divide the HD this way:

1. /Primary partition/ 1 GB / Windows

2. /Logical / 4 GB / Programs (install programs here instead of in the C:\Program Files folder)

3. /Logical / 10 GB / Data (including MP3s)

4. /Logical / 6 GB / Data

You could also decide to merge partition 3 & 4.

BTW FDisk is by far not the only free partitioning program. I advise therefore not to use it since it's very bad. It already f*cked up one HD on one of my PCs and I had to recreate all partitions.
 

BigToque

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<< But since this disk image is so vital to you, it too must be backed up externally. And once you do that, you eliminate the need for partitions >>



I guess I didnt make myself totally clear. I need the 2nd partition to dump the image to. Then I burn the image to 2 CD's. I do back it up externally, but I need the 2nd partition to even create the image in the first place.

Unless you know how to dump an image to a blank cd on the fly (without first taking the image to another partition, drive, or external drive), I dont think there is another way for me to do it. I'm not going to buy an external drive or anything like that, simply because my data is not that important. I make the backup so that if I screw up my system by fooling around with it (which I often do), restoring my computer is much less of a pain.
 

Syborg1211

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With my 20 gig hard drive, I split it up into two drive.
2 gigs for Windows and
18 for the whatever

I find it better to do this since you never ever know the exact amount of something you will have and you might run out of space on your mp3 drive and have to put it in your documents drive or what not. Especially if you have huge files like movies or something that you cannot split up. If you have like 500 mb left and you have a 1gb file, you cant split it or do anything with it. So I say just go with a Windows directory and perhaps 2 other drives. It think a lot more would be frivolous.
 

medic

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Another vote here for one large partition.

I have two drives, both are Masters, I have an O.S. on the backup D drive and a folder on it called CCOPY.
My regular 20G that I use everyday I installed the O.S. and all my apps/games everything and tuned it right nice, I then swap the cables, redetect in the bios, reboot on the backup O.S. and dragged and dropped the whole primary drive into the CCOPY folder.
Swap and redetect(takes a minute) and I have a complete clone of my drive on the backup H.D. and I just point my data files and Outlook Express ect. to save to the second drive.
Once a month I can swap the cables/redetect and update the clone or burn it to a CD.
Disaster would take 10-15 minutes tops to recover.
 

Modus

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Stefan,

<<Unless you know how to dump an image to a blank cd on the fly (without first taking the image to another partition, drive, or external drive), I dont think there is another way for me to do it.>>

Yes, there are disk imaging programs that can dump an image file to the same partition being imaged. Then, you can send it to whatever external medium you like.

<<I'm not going to buy an external drive or anything like that, simply because my data is not that important.>>

Then why backup at all? Your data is either important enough to backup properly, or not important enough to backup at all.

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