What is the new gf7 lineup?

[johnnqq]

will a gt ever come out? or will the gtx replace the gt...and if it does, will it be inbetween a gt and an ultra?

i know everybody is all excited about the gtx coming out, but i'm more interested in a 7600 because that is a card that i will actually consider buying.

 

[Grimbor]

There are 2 very real possibilities. Both involve the current 7800 as not being the high end 7XXX card in the series and thus dropping in price and all this should be happening within the next 4 months.

The first, the 7800 in this incarnation will remain near the top end of this generation. I say near, because Nvidia already announced a 512 meg version of this card. All the technical information on this card running on a PCIe board show this series will, unlike prevoius generations, actually benefit from the additional memory. Expect closer to a $400 range for the card in this senario.

What I think is more probable is the current card being offered now will actually drop to a mid or even low end range and possibly repackaged and renamed. This is because it is likely ATI will try to trump Nvidia by making their premier R520 512 megs and maybe a 32 pipe card. If this happens and performance differances are similar to a 9700 pro versus the FX 2 generations back, Nvidia will be quick to react. Nvidia has lost a lot of face over how good the 9700/9800 pro generation was for ATI, and even the success of the 6800 series has not totally erased this. In this senario, expect a price range for the current 7800 or it's equivalent to be $150-$250.

 

[Xentropy]

If you think the 7800GTX is going to drop to $150 before at least a year goes by, you're on crack.

Someone can toss that quote into their sig to check in June 2006 if they want to. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I doubt I will be. The 7800GTX may drop to $500 if the R520 and a 7800 Ultra is released at $600, and then glide down from there to $400 a little after Christmas and $300 by this time next year, but nowhere near $150. I don't care how fast the R520 ends up being, there's no way nVidia could afford to sell this thing for $150 that soon. They'd absolutely BLEED cash and have no chance to recoup R&D. Will we see it drop to $500 before or soon after the R520 launch? Most likely. But that other $100 today is the price early adopters always pay.

You seem to be basing your pricing estimates on the R520 being twice as fast as the 7800GTX, or more. I'll believe that when I see it. I also don't even expect to see the R520 before October now. Why? All signs point to ATi having serious yield issues with that part at this time, and now that nVidia changed the rules with their 0-day availability launch, ATi can't get away with a paper launch at the end of July like they were planning to. Note they just forecasted their next quarter earnings will be another loss. This indicates they don't expect to see R520 volume in the channel next quarter, nor an entire R520 lineup to give them competitive parts in the midrange either (which is the real cash cow), which because of their earnings calendar means no significant next-generation volume before September at the earliest.

 

[Grimbor]

Remember ATI and Nvidia do not make much money in the high end market as they do in the mass distribution low end market. What they get more from the high end market is word of mouth and name association. So, when they put out the kick ass 6800 ultra and people read how great that is, when they see a 6600 or a 6200 being offered in a Dell or at Best Buy, people assume they are getting a top end vid card. Joe average dosen't know the difference but they will recognize the card series name and the word of mouth praise on the net the high end series cards are getting and all the ATI smokes Nvidia or Nvidia is better then ATI posts they read in their gaming forums.

I think both companies are willing to take a loss in the high end market to boost their name perception.

 

[johnnqq]

i think that the gtx may eventually be what the x800 pro is now. i think they might announce a gt and an ultra. the gt will probably have 512 megs with maybe a faster or slower (or same) clock speed, but will ultimately cost more. the ultra will probably be the fastest with 512 megs, and have the fastest memory.

i wish the 7600 would come out tomorrow to replace the 6600...i would definitely buy it.

from what i read somewhere- didn't everything below the 6800gt made most of the profit for the 6 series? (or am i wrong) i hope it has at least 12 pipes and still costs around $150.

 

[Rage187]

2 years from now the 7800 might be $150.

 

[johnnqq]

COUGH 9800 pro COUGH 2 years COUGH

 

[Grimbor]

Actually, a more accurate comparison would not be the 9800 pro. It was the 9700 pro which was the first release of the high end for the ATI cycle that generation and it was not that long before the 9500 pro was released which was basically a slightly neutered 9700 pro which could be easily modded to 9700 pro speeds. The 9500 pro was in fact around the $150 range within months of the initial 9700 pro release. Also, keep in mind the 9700 pro was so clearly superior to it's nvidia counterpart for that generation that not much of a price war went on in the high end market since there was literally no cost/performance ratio that could justify a new buyer going for nvidia at the higher end.

We know the 520R will be close, probably quite a bit faster then the 7800. We also know both the R520 and the 7800 are geared to be released today, if both companies wanted, in a 32 pipe flavor. The ball right now is in ATI's court. If ATI goes very aggressive, we may very well see a card almost identicle in specs to the 7800 in the $150 range in 2 months. If ATI does not go aggressive, I stand by the $400 figure for an equivalent card to the 7800 in 2 months from this post date. Feel free to bump this up in 2 months.

 

[gunblade]

Originally posted by: Grimbor
Actually, a more accurate comparison would not be the 9800 pro. It was the 9700 pro which was the first release of the high end for the ATI cycle that generation and it was not that long before the 9500 pro was released which was basically a slightly neutered 9700 pro which could be easily modded to 9700 pro speeds. The 9500 pro was in fact around the $150 range within months of the initial 9700 pro release. Also, keep in mind the 9700 pro was so clearly superior to it's nvidia counterpart for that generation that not much of a price war went on in the high end market since there was literally no cost/performance ratio that could justify a new buyer going for nvidia at the higher end.

We know the 520R will be close, probably quite a bit faster then the 7800. We also know both the R520 and the 7800 are geared to be released today, if both companies wanted, in a 32 pipe flavor. The ball right now is in ATI's court. If ATI goes very aggressive, we may very well see a card almost identicle in specs to the 7800 in the $150 range in 2 months. If ATI does not go aggressive, I stand by the $400 figure for an equivalent card to the 7800 in 2 months from this post date. Feel free to bump this up in 2 months.

Well, to be honest, the 9500 is released to sell off the parts that don't run 9700 pro speed or parts that have defects in one or more of the quads. The 9500 pro either has some quad turned off or isn't certified to run the 9700 pro speed realiably. It is a totally different case in 7800GTX.

The g70 die is larger than a nv40 die and costs a lot to fabricate. And to be honest, if ATI has a part that is as good as 7800GTX, they will sell it for at least $500 instead of pushing it to $150 range as that is just wishful thinking. Ati, historically, likes to just capitalize on the high margins than to compete on the price. And the 7800gtx is definitely a worthy next gen top-end. It is quite a bit better than 6800 Ultra. The only disappointing spec is that it doesn't support AA on the FP blending.

I agree with what Xentropy said. I think the price will likely be $500 on GTX and $600 ona top end Ultra when R520 comes out.

 

[rise]

there hasn't been any mention of 7600 that i saw. i would imagine the 6800 line would fill that range for nv.

only thing i sw was 7800gtx, 7800gt and 7800. and according to that only the 7800gtx was sli capable. but that was a few weeks ago so who knows what may have changed.

 

[AndyD2k]

bottom line - they need a mid-range priced card. i dont care how good a card may be, you're shooting yourself in the foot if you think the majority of the people are willing to buy at $599. I will definitely be checking out Nvidia's earnings transcript quarter end to see what they have to say about sales.

 

[coomar]

the only 200 dollars cards in 6 months will be 6800gt's and the midrange model of this which should be comparable to the gt

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: rise4310
there hasn't been any mention of 7600 that i saw. i would imagine the 6800 line would fill that range for nv.

only thing i sw was 7800gtx, 7800gt and 7800. and according to that only the 7800gtx was sli capable. but that was a few weeks ago so who knows what may have changed.

Any specs on the 7800? $399 for the GT is steep for me right now.