What Is "The Media"? What Does It Do?

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Newell Steamer

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Help me out here guys.

For quite a while "The Media" has been labeled, by the Right, as some thought controlling being that has ruined America.

I don't see it.

Especially since Fox News is trouncing any Leftist competitors.

Someone please explain how this all powerful, all thought controlling, all dominating "The Media" has skewed and twisted the Right - because again, the #1 mouth on the bullhorn is Fox News... not the Communist News Network, not the Comrade Post and not The Eat A Dead Christian Baby Late Show.
 

waggy

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frankly if you don't see what htey are talking about you are fucking dumber then i thought. I really didn't think you were that stupid.
 

Moonbeam

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Help me out here guys.

For quite a while "The Media" has been labeled, by the Right, as some thought controlling being that has ruined America.

I don't see it.

Especially since Fox News is trouncing any Leftist competitors.

Someone please explain how this all powerful, all thought controlling, all dominating "The Media" has skewed and twisted the Right - because again, the #1 mouth on the bullhorn is Fox News... not the Communist News Network, not the Comrade Post and not The Eat A Dead Christian Baby Late Show.

I like the creativity in your post. The problem with the media is that it is competitive and money driven. What is news is disaster and emotionally disturbing because that is what rivets people's attention. The conservative brain defect in my opinion, has its origins in constant exposure to fear and the news is terrifying. I am asked constantly by family members how I am reacting to this and that disaster. I try to remember that I have one big issue to face, my own death, and that all the other shit that's happening doesn't much matter. I am just a centimeter away from it and have always been every day of my life. What changes in the news is the names and the dates and locations. All the same shit since the beginning of time. Be in the world but not of it.
 

Newell Steamer

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frankly if you don't see what htey are talking about you are fucking dumber then i thought. I really didn't think you were that stupid.

Yes, the "You Are Too Stupid For Me To Explain It To You" response.

Or, maybe what I do see is not a big deal and the Righthadists are nothing more than a bunch of big babies.

But, I doubt a sensationalist like yourself would go with the latter.

Rage on moron, rage on.
 

woolfe9998

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The media doesn't have political bias, not on the whole. The media is corporate, shareholder owned, and is accountable for ratings, subscriptions, and these days, "clicks." Their "bias" is toward sensationalism. If they had a left bias, it would undermine the bottom line, because according to the conservative theory, the entire media (perhaps sans Foxnews) is left biased, meaning they are all competing against each other for left leaning readers and viewers. This makes no sense given the corporate profit driven model. In reality, they are competing for all viewers and doing whatever it takes to grab as many as possible. And there is accountability up the food chain - from writers to editors to directors of news divisions to corporate central to boards of directors and then finally to shareholders.

It's easy to understand why conservatives see it this way. If the media is more or less politically neutral on the whole, then by definition it comes across as further to the left than they are. In particular, those who are politically extreme have trouble recognizing any sort of middle ground between their position and the extreme opposite position. Ask a conservative what a truly politically neutral media would actually look like. It's something probably at or further to the right than FoxNews. They think the media is left biased because they're mistaking their world view for the truth.

The conservative theory of media bias fails because it doesn't have the explanatory power of the theory of media sensationalism. So, for example, a conservative can look at a series of stories about police brutality and notice that race is played up in many of these articles, and conclude it is because of a "left bias." Of course, this ignores the fact that highlighting race brings controversy which generates more hits and views. Still, in those cases, the conservative theory is one possible explanation.

However, there is too much in the media that isn't explained by their theory. If I'm going to provide an example of what I read 5 minutes ago, then I'll ask the question of why the supposedly left leaning CNN has a front end article today discussing the fact that academic studies have shown that in the 2000 election, Bush would have won anyway had Gore been granted the entire recount he asked for. How in the world can a "liberal media" theory explain why CNN would even choose to publish such an article, particularly since it isn't even current news any more. If you have a liberal bias, why piss off liberals over something you're not even required to cover because the issue is now 15 years in the past?

This and a mountain of other things we see daily in the media cannot be explained by the conservative theory of media bias. These things are ignored, downplayed or simply not noticed by the right because they mainly view their own biased media and when they do look at MSM they see only what they expect to see.
 

IronWing

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The media is the primary beneficiary of campaign contributions. Never forget this. The evil Kochs, the evil Soros, the evil drug companies, the evil unions all pay the media's bills.
 

fskimospy

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The media doesn't have political bias, not on the whole. The media is corporate, shareholder owned, and is accountable for ratings, subscriptions, and these days, "clicks." Their "bias" is toward sensationalism. If they had a left bias, it would undermine the bottom line, because according to the conservative theory, the entire media (perhaps sans Foxnews) is left biased, meaning they are all competing against each other for left leaning readers and viewers. This makes no sense given the corporate profit driven model. In reality, they are competing for all viewers and doing whatever it takes to grab as many as possible. And there is accountability up the food chain - from writers to editors to directors of news divisions to corporate central to boards of directors and then finally to shareholders.

It's easy to understand why conservatives see it this way. If the media is more or less politically neutral on the whole, then by definition it comes across as further to the left than they are. In particular, those who are politically extreme have trouble recognizing any sort of middle ground between their position and the extreme opposite position. Ask a conservative what a truly politically neutral media would actually look like. It's something probably at or further to the right than FoxNews. They think the media is left biased because they're mistaking their world view for the truth.

The conservative theory of media bias fails because it doesn't have the explanatory power of the theory of media sensationalism. So, for example, a conservative can look at a series of stories about police brutality and notice that race is played up in many of these articles, and conclude it is because of a "left bias." Of course, this ignores the fact that highlighting race brings controversy which generates more hits and views. Still, in those cases, the conservative theory is one possible explanation.

However, there is too much in the media that isn't explained by their theory. If I'm going to provide an example of what I read 5 minutes ago, then I'll ask the question of why the supposedly left leaning CNN has a front end article today discussing the fact that academic studies have shown that in the 2000 election, Bush would have won anyway had Gore been granted the entire recount he asked for. How in the world can a "liberal media" theory explain why CNN would even choose to publish such an article, particularly since it isn't even current news any more. If you have a liberal bias, why piss off liberals over something you're not even required to cover because the issue is now 15 years in the past?

This and a mountain of other things we see daily in the media cannot be explained by the conservative theory of media bias. These things are ignored, downplayed or simply not noticed by the right because they mainly view their own biased media and when they do look at MSM they see only what they expect to see.

This is well written and encapsulates the issue well.
 

Newell Steamer

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This and a mountain of other things we see daily in the media cannot be explained by the conservative theory of media bias. These things are ignored, downplayed or simply not noticed by the right because they mainly view their own biased media and when they do look at MSM they see only what they expect to see.

So, they are complaining about the very thing they themselves are doing.

No different really than family values "champions" who are involved in extra marital affairs, divorces and abuse. As well as pro-lifers who would gladly take another human life. And even those who preach rights to privacy yet demand they have a say in what a woman does with her life.

Oh, and welfare - plenty for the corporations (who have million dollar talent) but zero for the poor.

The Media is just another admission of something wrong being done by the Right.
 

woolfe9998

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The media is the primary beneficiary of campaign contributions. Never forget this. The evil Kochs, the evil Soros, the evil drug companies, the evil unions all pay the media's bills.

That's right. These wealthy donors pay the candidates or sympathetic PACS, who in turn pay the media big money for ad space. The media has no interest in anything other than furthering the constant war of words over politics and candidates. It isn't trying to make one side "win." If one side won (in the sense of gaining long term political dominance), there wouldn't be anything to sell newspapers or get TV ratings or hits on their sites.
 
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Sonikku

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Help me out here guys.

For quite a while "The Media" has been labeled, by the Right, as some thought controlling being that has ruined America.

I don't see it.

Especially since Fox News is trouncing any Leftist competitors.

Someone please explain how this all powerful, all thought controlling, all dominating "The Media" has skewed and twisted the Right - because again, the #1 mouth on the bullhorn is Fox News... not the Communist News Network, not the Comrade Post and not The Eat A Dead Christian Baby Late Show.

The media has helped to erode America not by favoring any one particular party, but by focusing on largely unimportant things to work people up and keep them distracted from the things they actually should worry about. Congress raising contribution limits ten fold? Nada. Congress voting to let moneyed interests gamble with the nations money? Nothing. Congress voting to tie Medicares hands when negotiating drug prices? meh. Under inflated footballs? ZOMG OMG CONTROVERSY DEFLATEGATE JENNER IN A DRESS OMG.
 

woolfe9998

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So, they are complaining about the very thing they themselves are doing.

Actually, they are complaining about something which, for the most part, ONLY they do. The have their own media which does have a political bias.

The thing is, the conservative media - mainly FoxNews - is also profit driven. They just have a different model of making profits. For years, pundits like Limbaugh have filled conservative heads with the idea that the MSM is against them. This creates a huge demand for media catering to conservatives. Which is a big profit incentive for FoxNews. By contrast, MSM consists of too many media outlets, too much competition to cater to only one ideological bloc. It makes no sense for them to do anything other than try to cater to all viewers.

What gets me is that conservatives pitch themselves as savvy about business. Whenever liberals complain about things like corporations paying crap wages to their employees, we are reminded by conservatives that they are accountable to their shareholders to maximize profits. Somehow media corporations are an exception to this rule. Media is special and doesn't obey the basic rules of the market place because everything they say isn't necessarily what conservatives want to hear.
 

Sonikku

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It's also possible that for many Republicans a network like Fox appears fair and neutral. If your opinion of straight down the middle unbiased news is Fox, then perhaps I could see why many Republicans get the impression that everything else is left leaning.
 

Genx87

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The media in this country is there to regurgitate whatever the govt tells it to. Glenn Greenwald covers this topic often.
 
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