What is the level of crazy in the Republican Party? Rep Debbie Lesko would shoot her own grandkids to stop gun safety legislation

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HomerJS

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Right, and you can always throw bricks without a license. Even Mulla Nasrudin once caused a whole tribe of Bedouins to run and he was completely unarmed. You wouldn’t believe the cleverness he used to do it. Personally, however, I would like to have young John Connor’s ‘no killing’ Terminator as a personal bodyguard and packing a thousand rounds. Can’t be too safe, right?
Soooo, the answer is no Democrat has.

I'm not trying to start something, but false positions are how right wingers make their living. In reality a lot of Dems want to get weapons that are designed to kill a lot of people in the shortest time possible off the streets. I don't find that unreasonable.
 

Muse

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Democrats really screw up when they take actions that threaten other people's will to arm themselves for self defense. Anybody who thinks that is a good idea looks for all the world to be completely insane. The will to protect oneself goes to the deepest core of survival of the fittest. It is evolution's most baked in genetic characteristic. Don't fuck with mother nature. It will take you down a path where you will create a lot of cold dead hands, if you are even able to succeed. You really will put your or somebody else's life in danger and all because you see people as basically evil and you are afraid.
You are a gun fetishist. Quite attached to your AR-15. Fun times, eh? :rolleyes:
 

hal2kilo

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Democrats really screw up when they take actions that threaten other people's will to arm themselves for self defense. Anybody who thinks that is a good idea looks for all the world to be completely insane. The will to protect oneself goes to the deepest core of survival of the fittest. It is evolution's most baked in genetic characteristic. Don't fuck with mother nature. It will take you down a path where you will create a lot of cold dead hands, if you are even able to succeed. You really will put your or somebody else's life in danger and all because you see people as basically evil and you are afraid.
So you do have an ego to protect.
 
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Zorba

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This was her quote:

"“I would do anything—anything—to protect my five grandchildren. Including, as a last resort, shooting them, if I had to, to protect the lives of my grandchildren.”

Being generous, maybe she meant shooting criminals, because shooting your grandkids to protect them makes no sense. Thats some bonkers stuff
This sounds like a murder-suicide in the making. Protecting the kids from demons, or Liberals, or a black boyfriend...
 

Moonbeam

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You are a gun fetishist. Quite attached to your AR-15. Fun times, eh? :rolleyes:

It's all about perspective. I consider that my position is normal for a successful descendant of billions of years of evolution, the success being derived from an inner and natural will to survive. For me the big joy in owning an AR 15 was in learning how to build it according to my own tastes, a process which I haven't even finished as other things have come up that I have chosen to do first. I have never shot an AR haven't fired a gun in decades and am pretty tepid, in my opinion, as to having a gun fetish. I like knowing I would not be absolutely and completely totally helpless had I a need and a few weeks to prepare for the Zombie Apocalypse you terrified authoritarians are threatening to create any day now in your attempts to control the actions of other people than get a hold of your own personal terrors. In my opinion it is you that has the gun fetish, your fear of other people owning them as if my right to whatever legal self defense I choose so long as in doing so I do not step on your rights, none of which is a guarantee that I go buck necked to the shower room because you fear I might shoot you. Your view is that others must be controlled so you can feel safe. If I had your attitude I would hunt you down and shoot you for the danger you represent to my sound sleep at night. Take that, you fascist pig. :)

So you do have an ego to protect.

Which were you referring to, the one I think I am, the one you think I am, or the one I really am.

Simple Simon met a pieman, Going to the fair; Says Simple Simon to the pieman, Let me taste your ware.

Says the pieman to Simple Simon, Show me first your penny; Says Simple Simon to the pieman, Indeed I have not any.

Simple Simon went a-fishing, For to catch a whale; All the water he had got, Was in his mother's pail.

Simple Simon went to look If plums grew on a thistle; He pricked his fingers very much, Which made poor Simon whistle.

He went for water in a sieve But soon it all fell through And now poor Simple Simon Bids you all adieu!
 

eelw

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lol the rest of us in the sane world has a gun fetish because we can’t understand the obsession Americans have with them
 
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Moonbeam

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lol the rest of us in the sane world has a gun fetish because we can’t understand the obsession Americans have with them
Yes, I know. Some of the biggest fans of gun control right now in the Ukraine are the Russians. Apparently they are afraid they might get shot as they try to take over the country. "Fucking guns." But in the sane world...........right.
 
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Muse

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It's all about perspective. I consider that my position is normal for a successful descendant of billions of years of evolution, the success being derived from an inner and natural will to survive. For me the big joy in owning an AR 15 was in learning how to build it according to my own tastes, a process which I haven't even finished as other things have come up that I have chosen to do first. I have never shot an AR haven't fired a gun in decades and am pretty tepid, in my opinion, as to having a gun fetish. I like knowing I would not be absolutely and completely totally helpless had I a need and a few weeks to prepare for the Zombie Apocalypse you terrified authoritarians are threatening to create any day now in your attempts to control the actions of other people than get a hold of your own personal terrors. In my opinion it is you that has the gun fetish, your fear of other people owning them as if my right to whatever legal self defense I choose so long as in doing so I do not step on your rights, none of which is a guarantee that I go buck necked to the shower room because you fear I might shoot you. Your view is that others must be controlled so you can feel safe. If I had your attitude I would hunt you down and shoot you for the danger you represent to my sound sleep at night. Take that, you fascist pig. :)



Which were you referring to, the one I think I am, the one you think I am, or the one I really am.

Simple Simon met a pieman, Going to the fair; Says Simple Simon to the pieman, Let me taste your ware.

Says the pieman to Simple Simon, Show me first your penny; Says Simple Simon to the pieman, Indeed I have not any.

Simple Simon went a-fishing, For to catch a whale; All the water he had got, Was in his mother's pail.

Simple Simon went to look If plums grew on a thistle; He pricked his fingers very much, Which made poor Simon whistle.

He went for water in a sieve But soon it all fell through And now poor Simple Simon Bids you all adieu!
Ugh. As typical I read your posts and after a while it leads down a cul de sac, i.e. into a tunnel dead end and the meaning decomposes into confusion and I have to leave off in disgust. Man, you are a mental projectionist. Out of your mind 1/2 the time. You don't know me most of the time even a little. That's fine, I like myself, I don't need your comprehension of me, I'm rather self sufficient. That's fine, you don't need to know me, it's not your schtick. Your mental calisthenics is what you're after. Trip on...
 
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Moonbeam

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Soooo, the answer is no Democrat has.

I'm not trying to start something, but false positions are how right wingers make their living. In reality a lot of Dems want to get weapons that are designed to kill a lot of people in the shortest time possible off the streets. I don't find that unreasonable.
There is a big difference between wanting something and how you go about achieving that desire. Do you want guns off the streets so badly you will take positions on guns that will mean you don't get elected leaving the nut case Right to run things? Do you turn a liberal democracy into a fascist state and send the police to confiscate people's guns? What is reasonable to you may not be reasonable to me.

I believe it is not guns that are the problem but the American culture and system itself, individualistic, capitalistic, and competitive. Competition is hate and all hate is self hate. We are a reflection and an exponent of Western thinking, the ego separate from the world. We are upside down and backwards to reality. Our very thinking, our thought process itself is our prison. We are totally blind to the possibility of escape. The enemy isn't guns, the enemy is me. The way I am is what is wrong with America. I am why it is a violent country. I refuse to awaken from my sleep. I will not ever again feel the pain I felt as a child when they broke my will to be me. They told me you are the enemy and you need to pay for it. This is who I am, but naturally you, it's not true of you now is it?

Why would you live in a world full of people like me when you can kill me with a legislated gun. That way no responsibility to change falls on your shoulders. All the blame is on me and my gun.

So what I call reasonable is trying to do what we can to keep guns out of the hands of potentially mentally ill people, create more gun awareness of gun ownership responsibilities, practical things I won't bother to enumerate, but most of all change the structure of society so that it doesn't create the madness that guns are useful to express in the public square.
 

Vic

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GOP politicians are in a mad race to see who can go more outrageously viral.
 

Moonbeam

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Ugh. As typical I read your posts and after a while it leads down a cul de sac, i.e. into a tunnel dead end and the meaning decomposes into confusion and I have to leave off in disgust. Man, you are a mental projectionist. Out of your mind 1/2 the time. You don't know me most of the time even a little. That's fine, I like myself, I don't need your comprehension of me, I'm rather self sufficient. That's fine, you don't need to know me, it's not your schtick. Your mental calisthenics is what you're after. Trip on...
"Ugh" I would take that to be an emotional expression of something you feel when you read what I post.

"As typical I read your posts and after a while it leads down a cul de sac, i.e. into a tunnel dead end and the meaning decomposes into confusion and I have to leave off in disgust."

So I tell you you are in a prison created by feelings you are unaware you are having and the last thing on earth you ever want to feel and in that prison of your own making you have trusted your deeply dedicated jailer to set you free and the confused state that generates for you that triggers your disgust you want to claim is the fault of the messenger, little old innocent me.

"Man, you are a mental projectionist. Out of your mind 1/2 the time. You don't know me most of the time even a little." Right it's just projection when I can see in you what I can see in me you have yet to see. We might as well be twins.


That's fine, I like myself, I don't need your comprehension of me, I'm rather self sufficient. That's fine, you don't need to know me, it's not your schtick. Your mental calisthenics is what you're after. Trip on...

Right, you like yourself right after you tell me about how you hate dead ends confusion and being disgusted. Who is having those feelings? You went to quite an effort to tell me what you do not need. The sad fact is that if you could trust me you wouldn't need too.
 
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sdifox

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Someone table gun legislation, bring her grandkids to the chamber and hand her a gun.
 

Muse

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Someone table gun legislation, bring her grandkids to the chamber and hand her a gun.
The very existence of guns is an affront to our better nature.

TBH, I have NEVER seen a gun in person that wasn't in the possession of law enforcement. I have a hint of one: A friend of mine told me once that he has a rifle at his digs out in the country (it's wild out there and he has a couple dogs), but I've never laid eyes on it, don't know where he stashes it.

Edit: I was in the Boy Scouts (the troop disbanded before any of us got above the lowest rank, "Tenderfoot," I have no idea how or why), and we went to Catalina island, I suppose I was eleven YO. We were handed 22 caliber rifles and lay prone and shot at targets. I was quite accurate. But that's it. Well, I have a single loader rifle-style pellet gun with which I've killed one or two marauding squirrels in my yard. I have to pump it 10-12 times and reload the chamber between shots.
 
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uclaLabrat

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This sounds like a murder-suicide in the making. Protecting the kids from demons, or Liberals, or a black boyfriend...
If youre any kind of charitable to what she said its more that "them" refers to criminals and not her grandkids; this is run of the mill antecedent ambiguity which is pretty common when speaking off the cuff.
 
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