What is the expected cost to hire contractor to wire a new house ??

azev

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We are going to buy a new house and thinking of wiring the whole house with cat5e or cat6. The centex home sales person gave me this option page for wiring, which will cost me from $3000-$5000 to get 8 (4)cat5 port wall jack and 4 extra phone jacks(for the $5000 option). They will also include this box which has all the hub, firewall, patch panel, etc. Well, I wanted to have a customized solution like 4 (4)cat5 port wall jack, 10 (2)cat5 port wall jack scatered in different room in the house and some more phone jacks. I also want to get a regular wiring rack/panel because I have all the other rack equipment (switch, firewall, router, etc).
I never work with a wiring contractor before, but I think the price is ridiculous. Does anyone has some information on how much should I pay for what I want ?? I just dont want to get ripped off by the them !!

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Fuzznuts

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not sure bt that seems a bit steep here in the uk your job equates to £2500 to £2700 i know of people in the uk that would cat 5 a house with way more than 8 points for well under half that cost. the cabinet whcih they are qouting they will suppl would cost £50 tops and a patch panel here in the uk can be picked up for around £15 for a 16 port. i can only go by uk prices but yes id say that was way too high :)

 

azev

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I just called them 5 minutes ago and ask if I can have my own contractor to come in and wired the house, but they said NO, because its dealing with the new house warranty. They can only allow their contractor to do the work, but they told me that I can contact them for a custom solution. Oh well, anyone else had any experience working with contractor ???
 

cmetz

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Pay your builder to run a STRAIGHT conduit pipe (or a few) from attic to basement. This is the single biggest win for wiring later.
Make sure they understand, no kinks, no bends, no splices, no non-smooth joints.

The rest of the stuff can be done later if you have to, but getting from basement to attic is a real pain to do once drywall's up.
 

cmetz

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A couple of other things:

Most people I've seen subcontracting to builders are incompetent. My neighbor paid $3k to have their home wired by the builder, cat5, coax, etc. When they moved in, their phone didn't work. The simplest thing in the world, and the contractors botched it.

I've heard some real horror stories about Centex. Granted, there are horror stories about all builders! But be careful with them.
 

cipher00

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Gotta agree w/cmetz. This cost sounds way too high, and you'll want the cat5 terminated by someone who knows what they're doing. I had my electical-data dude come in to my house, run (admittedly) 3 ports from around the house to the basement & terminate in a patch panel. The ports had to run through the attic, etc., etc., with no wiring tube. They did it. Just under $1,000.

FWIW. Good luck.
 

azev

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cmetz, thank you for your input in this. Can you please explain more about the conduit pipe from the attic to the basement? I dont get it as how can this be the backbone for the whole house wiring thing! I walked into one of their unfinished house and have a look around just after they finished the electrical wiring for the whole house. They basically drill hone in the middle of the wood (frame of the house) to run the wire. I thought they will do the same exact things to the data cable. Why dont you tell me what horror story did you hear about centex !! Since most likely we will be moving to one of their newly build house, I would like to hear some of the complaints that you've heard. More.......
 

azev

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Another things, acording to them all their work is guaranteed for 10Years, this should include the wiring if I choose to pay the premium.
 

skyking

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tell em to Foxtrot Oscar and get someone else in once the house is complete.
I second this one. I just dragged around 9 runs with the help of a friend in a day. Terminated, toned out, tested, labeled.
Where are you located?
 

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In few situation that I was involved with I notice that the runs. I.e. installing the CAT5e wire was done by low level electrician that probably works for less. They usually leave a 1? of the cable dangling from a simple wall box.

Later on comes the Network ?expert? he puts the face plates terminates the keystones and does what ever else related to Network. The Network guy work is naturally more expensive, and they make nice money on the jacks, plugs, hubs, etc.

If you are confident that you can do the Job of the Network Guy. Try to price just the cable installation; you may end up saving couple of thousands.
 

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I just completed wiring our new home with 16 CAT6 jacks throughout the house. I've never wired a home before, but it wasn't all that difficult a task. It did take A LOT of time though.

Our total material cost was probably under $500 (although if you don't have any tools to do a job like this expect to spend a minimum of $100 on a couple tools). I think we did a FAR better job than hiring someone to do it. We made sure all our wires were at least a foot away from electrical (unless it crossed perpendicular to the electrial), and there were no kinks whatsoever in our wires after all was said and done. We negotiated with the builder from the very beginning to allow us to wire the house ourselves. We also ran speaker wire throughout the house.

Here's a good site for info on what is involved in wiring your own home if you're interested in that:
http://www.swhowto.com/

As far as price goes, I'm sure it would have cost us at least $3,000 to have the builder take care of it for us.

Also, we ordered all our wires, jacks, wallplates, etc from Anixter. They're a huge company that I think sells mostly to businesses, but they were more than willing to sell to us. They have locations all over the country.
 

skyking

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Drop me an email if you want. I am not too far way, and have some of the equipment and all of the tools. Email is in my profile.
 

cmetz

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Assuming you have two finished floors, a basement, and an attic...

Running wires retrofit for wall boxes in the first floor is usually pretty easy - you cut a hole in the drywall, drill a hole from the basement up, run the wires through
Running wires retrofit for wall boxes in the second floor is usually pretty easy - you cut a hole in the drywall, drill a hole from the attic down, run the wires through

The problem is this: how do you connect the attic to the basement? The stuff you have to drill through to make that run -- first floor up to subfloor, and second floor down to subfloor, is covered up once drywall goes up. Also, finding an unobstructed path from attic to basement is tough as it is, and tougher once drywall's up and you don't know what might be buried in those walls (many pipes and wires snake around horizontally, for example). So if you can get those two connected before drywall goes up, life's MUCH easier.

A conduit pipe is basically just a plain old plastic pipe -- though it will be colored grey or blue instead of white so that your inspectors don't confuse it for water or sewage pipes. If you can get your builder to run a pipe -- preferably 1" or 2" diameter -- straight from your basement to your attic, you're set. Once you're in the house, you can just drop some cat5 cables down that pipe from the attic to the basement. In a pinch, a pipe connection is a pipe connection, but that pipe being smooth and straight will make it MUCH easier to get wire down it. If they have to elbow the pipe, it's going to be tough to pull wire through and the amount of wire you will actually be able to pull through will decrease greatly.

A co-worker of mine was able to pay his builder to run a conduit pipe from attic to basement. They ran it in the heating plenum -- this will almost always be the place to do it. They put an elbow in his, which made life painful when pulling cable, but it's still way easier than not having conduit. I was able to get in my house before drywall got up and have my foreman "not see things," so I ran a few pipes straight up my plenum. The sales people are always a pain about this kind of stuff and their opinions basically don't matter anyway. Chat with your foreman and you might be able to get in there before drywall goes up -- all depends on whether he's cool or not. In general, you will find that making friends with the foreman is an all around good thing.

Note that for inspections, the pipe must be capped on both ends, otherwise it's considered a fire hazard (hot gas can shoot up from the basement). Once you move in, uncap and shove wires down, and you can stuff some rock wool or other insulation in the ends when you're done to get an air seal.

Centex - a friend moved into a home with an extensive pre-settlement punch list, some of the things were serious problems (I forget what off hand). They get to settlement day and not a thing was fixed, and they basically told him take it or leave it. He said that they did actually fix some things, but it took them about six months. One thing in particular he mentioned was that his bedroom and master bath wasn't insulated right underneath (on top of the garage), so the floors were freezing on winter mornings. A lot of what he didn't like about them was just their attitude and way of dealing with customers. Also, according to my mother, they were recently featured on some or other investigative TV show for ignoring problems (20/20, 60 Minutes, etc.).

In some fairness, I had plenty of unfixed punch list items on my house closing day, but most were fixed in a week or two afterwards. I think some of that just goes with the territory. Also, when I started my homebuying search, I asked my agent -- long time friend of the family and really good agent -- what builders were good and which weren't. Her answer: They pretty much all suck, they all cut corners. Later slightly amended, as I learned that really, it's the foreman who builds your house, and the foreman who controls whether you get a good house or a lousy one. The problem is that you contract with a builder and don't get to meet the foreman before it was too late. I had a mediocre builder but a great foreman, and the result wasn't excellent, but it was pretty good. With a different foreman, though, I could have had a lot worse experience.

Warranty: 10 years from now, cat5 is going to be a novelty. And I believe you'll find that if they weren't competent enough to do it right the first time, they aren't going to be competent enough to understand the problem and fix it -- and vice versa -- if done right the first time, you just won't need the warranty. I am a little surprised by this statement though and suggest you dig in if you were going to go there. Most folks I know who had wiring done by the builder had that covered as a one year bumper-to-bumper warranty item, but not on the longer warranty, which is typically only for structural/MAJOR stuff. I smell a sales critter who's not being fully truthful.

I did BTW meet the "Verizon" home wiring folks when they were out working on a neighbor's house. (it's actually a subcontractor to Verizon subcontracting to the builder... joy) I talked wiring with those guys for a few minutes just for kicks, and the whole conversation confirmed everything I thought those guys would be. I was glad I didn't pay them my good money.
 

Logan826

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Call a local security company like ADT, Gilmore ect. Most of these will wire a new house for everything from home automation to networking the whole house. Most will give you cut rate on all this for letting them install for security and fire protection. Just to give you an Idea. Just to prewire a 2 story home is around $250 US dollars. They just want in the door to hopefully get the security monitoring contract. :)
Logan826
p.s. any questions about this please feel free to email me or we can talk here. Maybe someone else is interested too with the morgage rates way down :)
 

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I would seriously considering it doing it yourself. See if you can do it before they put the drywall up. I have to agree with everyone else, if your builder won't let you do it, then have him install a conduit. I wired my own house before the drywall went up. It took me 2 to 3 days with just two people, but if you have many friends working with you, you could easily do it in a day. It cost me about $700 which included the hub and patch panel. This included tools which was a cable and network crimper, punchdown, and a simple line tester. My builder only provided 2 phone lines and 2 cable connections. I ran cable, phone lines, and CAT5E to all the bedrooms. I also ran Cat 5E to all the bedrooms as well. Total cables were 10 Cat5E, 4 extra phone lines, and 4 extra cable TV lines. I used regular phone wire for the telephones to save money, but you can use CAT 5 as well. I also ran a couple cable TV lines in the attic for future cable modem service. I did not install a conduit as this was a one story house with no basement.

 

azev

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Thank you cmetz for taking the time writing those informations. I know many of you suggest of installing it my self, I am prettly good with wiring, infact I had a decent wiring experience. But the problem is, the contractor (CENTEX) doesnt allow anyone else to work on their unfinished houses. Their main reason is their 10Years warranty. I havent talk about getting the conduit pipe yet, I dont know if they will allow that too. Currently I am waiting for my loan approval then I will work the deal with them. I am going to see if they will get a little bit linient on their rules when a few hundred thousand dollars is at stake :)
Thank you for the information guys, I appreciate it.....
 

cmetz

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gordita, why should he run fiber? What problem does that solve? You can run gigabit Ethernet over cat5e today, no problem. There's a lot of folks looking into 10-gig Ethernet over UTP (cat6/cat7) as a future technology. Fiber, like twisted pair, has grades and is evolving. Anyone who tells you to just put in fiber and then you're totally future proofed doesn't know what they're talking about - you can't run 10-gig Ethernet over a lot of older fiber, it's not good enough quality.

Fiber is delicate to pull (easy to snap), expensive to terminate, and expensive for the equipment. That's a lot of money to spend if there's no purpose.