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WHAT IS THE DEAL!

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fbird86

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Should a Celeron 1.7 Ghz 400 FSB w/ 512 Meg PC2700 have ALOT less performance than a PIII 1.0 Ghz 133 FSB w/ 256 Meg PC133? THIS IS HAPPENING TO ME! PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK! ANYTHING!! I have a nice ASUS board (CUSL2-C) w/ Intel chipset running with the PIII and a ECS crappy board w/ VIA chipset. Could that have somthing to do with it??? ALL OTHER COMPONENTS ARE THE SAME. I have reinstalled Windows, updated VIA chipset drivers, video drivers, direct x, bios, windows service pacl. sound drivers, etc, and nothing helps. I am betting it is the motherboard/chipset. Can anyone confirm this? Thanx for ANY help!
 
I am not an Intel expert, but from what I have read, the later Celerons are so bad, that this may very well be true.
 
Well the later Celerons still have 128k of cache, vs. 256k for the p3. I think that's what's making the difference. Then again it could be something like you need to defrag. I'm not entirely sure.
 
Well, it is general performance. But you can see it the most in 3d. On 3DMark2000 (REALLY OLD VERSION BTW) I would get scores of like 6000 with my PIII and with the celeron 1.7, I GET 3000. ALSO BATTLEFIELD 1942 WILL TAKE 20 SECONDS TO GET THE MOUSE FROM ONE POINT OF THE SCREEN TO ANOTHER ON THE CELERON, and it runs fine with the P3. The Mhz difference should make up for the cache!
 
fbird86, please list some more specific information. What are you using to gauge performance, do both PCs use the same model hard drive? Have both drives been recently defragged? What model is the ECS/VIA board? What version of Windows?

The 1.7 GHz Celeron should perform very close to the 1.0 GHz PIII or a little faster given the higher FSB speed. It may very well be a motherboard issue, but I would think a DDR board would be much faster than the Asus.
 
my mother board (the ECS) is a P4VXASD2+ V5.X (VIA P4X333 Chipset). I am using the same hdd for BOTH boards, which is a WD 20 gig ATA100 7200 RPM drive. I have formated my hdd, so defraging means nothing. I have used both windows 2000 and windows xp on these systems, and I produce the same results everytime! Please help
 
It looks pretty clear to me that the Celery system is not set up correctly. Either you have not made good choices in BIOS or your VIA drivers are not installed correctly.

-Sid

 
Originally posted by: Insidious
It looks pretty clear to me that the Celery system is not set up correctly. Either you have not made good choices in BIOS or your VIA drivers are not installed correctly.

-Sid
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i agree something is definately wrong such as a driver conflict ETC...

what video card are you using? same in both?

sound card?

a list of specs may enable someone to pinpoint known issues with your hardware setup or offer more exacting advice.



mike
 
Originally posted by: Wolfsraider
Originally posted by: Insidious
It looks pretty clear to me that the Celery system is not set up correctly. Either you have not made good choices in BIOS or your VIA drivers are not installed correctly.

-Sid
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i agree something is definately wrong such as a driver conflict ETC...

what video card are you using? same in both?

sound card?

a list of specs may enable someone to pinpoint known issues with your hardware setup or offer more exacting advice.



mike
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Exactly. Without specs, you might as well ask the age-old question of ATOT ... Bruce Lee or Coke?

Full rundown, please.

- M4H
 
ok specs, the video is a Radeon 7500, and the sounds card is a Hercules Muse XL, and the NIC is a Intel Etherpro or some bs like that. That is just about every component
 
I'm going to ask that you please use lower-case letters, it's easier to read than ALL CAPITALS 😉

Now, get your manual for your ECS board and look at page 7. You have DDR memory, so make sure that jumper JP1 DRAM Voltage (VCC) is set for 2.5 volts. While we're on page 7, make sure both JP1A and JP1B are set to 100MHz so your Celeron runs at its intended 4x100 bus speed.

Next, go to page 8. See the J2A/B/C/D and J3A/B/C/D jumpers? Make sure they're all capped, because you've got DDR memory, not SDR memory.

Now double-check that your CPU fan does in fact spin when the system runs, and double-check that the heatsink is firmly latched down so it's in good contact with your CPU.

Because you have an add-in sound card, it would probably be smart to disable the onboard AC'97 audio (see page 32 of the manual). Also disable onboard MIDI and Gameport.

Since the board has onboard LAN, either disable that or use it (I'd recommend using it).

ECS isn't telling what the specific IRQ-sharing situation is on the different PCI slots, but generally you should avoid using the slot next to the AGP slot, and possibly the one furthest away from the AGP slot, because those two often share their IRQ with the AGP port. So try just your sound card in one of the middle PCI slots and leave the NIC out as a test scenario, and see what happens now.

Good luck! 🙂
 
Thanx for the help. I have tryed all this stuff before, and it doesnt seem to help. I think this board/CPU combo wasnt made to be, so I am in the process of throwing it into the trash can, and buying a ASUS P4P800 Deluxe, and leaving it at that.
 
You shouldn't get such a performance hit with a celery - the RAM, MHZ, and FSB make up for the crippled cache when comparing it to a PIII. If you got a score of 6000 with a PIII, your 1.7 celery with your configuration should get 8000 without breaking a sweat...

Edit: Based on what you described, and your performance in 1942... I think it's some kind of memory issue. I've seen 1942 run on a PIII 700 with a TNT2 and 256mb of ram.
 
Originally posted by: Xenon14
You shouldn't get such a performance hit with a celery - the RAM, MHZ, and FSB make up for the crippled cache when comparing it to a PIII. If you got a score of 6000 with a PIII, your 1.7 celery with your configuration should get 8000 without breaking a sweat...

Edit: Based on what you described, and your performance in 1942... I think it's some kind of memory issue. I've seen 1942 run on a PIII 700 with a TNT2 and 256mb of ram.
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Yep sounds right. I got 100FPS with XP1800+, 512 DDR2400, R9000Pro.

And i think it could be a PSU issue here. Sounds similiar to the problems my dads rig was having before i got a new PSU. Then it was fixed.

What PSU?

 
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