What is the deal with PSU manufacturers/brands?

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All right, so this has confused me for ages:

Antec and Corsair do not *make* their own PSUs -- I am hearing the name "Seasonic", "Delta" and others associated with these PSUs. If this is true, what DO guys like Antec and Corsair do?
 

Meghan54

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Companies like Antec and Corsair do exactly what many, many other companies do when they want to enter a market but don't want to invest in expensive production facilities, they contract the work out.

Say Company "C" wants to enter a market, say power supplies. Company "C" thinks it sees an untapped market within the overall power supply market and believes it can expoit it.

OK. First, hire some competent engineers for design work. Now what? Build a factory? Expensive proposition and slow to get product to market.

Instead, they have their engineers and design team draft a set of requirements for their proposed power supply and approach some true manufacturers of power supplies with the specs and invite the manufacturer to bid on building it....cost per unit.

Company "C" gets back samples of what the manufacturers think is the answer to the spec requirements, then chooses one. Then Company "C" goes to chosen manufacturer "S" and begins to work more closely with them with tweaks needed to the unit, set final pricing per unit, length of contract, etc.

Company "C" then, at a specified time, begins receiving final production units that are shipped out for sale with "C's" name plastered on them, despite being a Company "S" product. And this happens all the time in almost every facet of manufactured goods....tires, computer parts, medicine, food, you name it.


A company just lets bids to manufacturers for product, picks one of the samples returned for evaluation, then contracts for "x" amount of items over "y" length of time at "z" price per unit.

The company that is buying the product typically has all the say in how the product performs, a bolt, a tire, a power supply, but rarely has much say about how it's made....that's left up to the manufacturer to decide. And that's why the old PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 internally is almost identical to the old Corsair 620HX.....both were based on the same Seasonic platform, albeit with small tweaks to meet power output requirements for the specific units and meet electrical specs---ripple/noise generation (a PCP&C strong point), voltage regulation, etc. If you couldn't read part numbers for the individual parts in the chassis of both those power supplies and were just looking at the two units naked, side by side, you'd probably not be able to see the difference between the two.

Antec does the same thing. Lets bids on a proposed unit, contracts what it feels is the best overall unit for the cost. Unfortunately, one can take the cost per unit too far, as Antec once did, and ended up having crap capacitors being used because it saved a few pennies per unit.....and when you move a million per year, those few pennies can add up---until the cheapness comes back to bite.
 
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Ah, so most of the PSU brands don't actually *do* anything (this begs the question -- why bother hiring engineers at Antec/Corsair/etc. if all they do is draft a set of requirements?).

Thank you!
 

Jeff7

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There's rebranding all over the place.

Look at the food industry. Some manufacturers can sell dozens of brands, and they don't go out of their way to say who's actually churning out the product.


Nestle
Friskies, Purina, and Fancy Feast.
DiGiorno and Tombstone pizza.
Poland Spring and Deer Park bottled water.

Competing brands...or not.:)
Yes, it does allow them to, in theory, target different market segments. Sell the treated municipal water cheap to one market sector. Then also sell super-awesome water, hand filtered by Jesus himself, at a substantial markup to a different market sector.
Multiple brands seem to have quite a lot of overlap though, creating the illusion of a diverse market.
 

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Some of them do actually design the PSU, but then contract out the manufacturing side of things.
 

Meghan54

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Some of them do actually design the PSU, but then contract out the manufacturing side of things.


Not really. Every single rebrander, such as Corsair, Antec, PC Power & Cooling, XFX, etc., is completely dependent upon the platform the manufacturer has designed.

It'd be cost prohibitive to go to Seasonic, for example, plans in hand and want them to fab up a PCB of your design, layout specific to your design, etc. (So expensive, in fact, that the company would almost be better off building their own manufacturing facility.) That'd be like asking Ford to build you a car you design and you want Ford to build a BMW engine, a Mercedes-Benz transmission, and a Pininfarina body.

Won't happen. You'll get a body and interior of your style, but you'll get Ford parts and a Ford platform, and you'll never get Ford to build a 426 Hemi......

And why? The manufacturer has already invested in a design philosophy and has bought and adjusted their fabrication machinery to produce the parts/items the way they want, and that's why power supplies from Seasonic, despite the name on the stickers on the outside, all pretty much look alike internally. The same can be said for power supplies built by Delta or CWT....despite the name stuck on the outside, internally they all pretty much look alike dependent upon platform. CWT PUC-platform power supplies will look alike internally, as will CWT DSG platform power supplies, again no matter the name externally applied. They just cannot build it any other way and make them economically.
 
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Modelworks

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Brand names are often valued because of the reputation that brand has with customers. Decades ago you could buy a brand and it was made by that company. Now with outsourcing it is hard to tell who makes a product.

Some popular brands that are made by the same companies.
magnavox, funai, emerson, colby, zenith, curtis mathis
rca, ge
whirlpool, maytag, kenmore
insignia, samsung

With brand names you are usually getting a guarantee that they are standing behind the quality of the work.
 

Rvenger

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Some of them do actually design the PSU, but then contract out the manufacturing side of things.

They may not design the PSU, but can definitely dictate whether to fill it with crap components or not. (ie: Crap Caps)
 

PreferLinux

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Not really. Every single rebrander, such as Corsair, Antec, PC Power & Cooling, XFX, etc., is completely dependent upon the platform the manufacturer has designed.

It'd be cost prohibitive to go to Seasonic, for example, plans in hand and want them to fab up a PCB of your design, layout specific to your design, etc. (So expensive, in fact, that the company would almost be better off building their own manufacturing facility.) That'd be like asking Ford to build you a car you design and you want Ford to build a BMW engine, a Mercedes-Benz transmission, and a Pininfarina body.

Won't happen. You'll get a body and interior of your style, but you'll get Ford parts and a Ford platform, and you'll never get Ford to build a 426 Hemi......

And why? The manufacturer has already invested in a design philosophy and has bought and adjusted their fabrication machinery to produce the parts/items the way they want, and that's why power supplies from Seasonic, despite the name on the stickers on the outside, all pretty much look alike internally. The same can be said for power supplies built by Delta or CWT....despite the name stuck on the outside, internally they all pretty much look alike dependent upon platform. CWT PUC-platform power supplies will look alike internally, as will CWT DSG platform power supplies, again no matter the name externally applied. They just cannot build it any other way and make them economically.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html
I guess Tom's got it wrong, then.