What is the best way to configure my home network with this hardware?

Caveman

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Just went from Comcast Cable 150 MBs to ATT Fiber at 300 MBs.

ATT supplies a 1 Gbps capable Modem/WiFi unit. From there I feed a local PC with a dedicated wired network connection on one port. On another output of the ATT modem/router, I'm feeding a 10 port switch.

The 10 port switch is working fine and all the wired connections at the house are working fine (at the furthest drop I'm still getting 98% of the mbps I get at the ATT modem/router).

The ATT WiFi, though weaker than expected is functioning and I can connect to it.

At one of the 10 wired ports in my house, I'm feeding an Asus AC87U 1.5 Gbps capable Wifi Router. I can connect to that routers WiFi as expected via both its 2.4Ghz and 5 Ghz bands.

I have another ASUS Router RT N66U that is being fed from another of the 10 house drops (in the office). I want to set up that router to feed a printer via wired connection and use it also as another WiFi spot to service some laptops near it in the office. For whatever reason, I cannot connect now.

Any idea as to why?

The original setup that worked was modem to AC87U--->AC87U to Switch---->Switch to RT N66U via one of 10 Switch drops---> RT N66U feeding Printer and room with Laptops Both the AC87U and N66U were WiFi accessible

New setup is different in that the AC87U is just hung out there with the N66U as additional routers on the network to act as WAPs. I suspect that for whatever reason, this is not the right way to configure...

Ideas? Better ways to use my hardware, etc...
 

Caveman

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Thanks for helping here... Yeah, I've been playing around for the last few hours and it seems the 3 routers are competing against each other in a sense... Is it safe to say for a home network, you should only have single router and make the others WAPs? So in may case, I need to make the ATT router the "parent" that the Asus children provide additional WAPs? Or, I suppose I could make this more like it was configured before with just 2 routers (and one as an access point) by just using the modem part of the ATT device and port whatever it's getting to one of the Asus routers so that it (the Asus router) feeds the switch and the other router hanging off one of the switch drops becomes a WAP.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Yeah, ATT as primary router.

Only do option b if the ATT device let's you disable the routing function.

Personally, I would do ATT as primary router, other devices as WAPs. And if not using ATT wireless, disable if possible.

Everything will be on the same subnet, no double NAT, etc...

You will want to give the router/WAPs a static IP that's not in the DHCP pool range configured on the ATT.

For example, my DHCP pool is .200-.254

My router is .1
My WAP is .2
I have a client bridge that is .3
 
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Caveman

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Ok, so I'm not quite sure what the last part of your post means... My ATT router ends in .256

My attempts tonight have been half successful. So far on the RT-AC87U:

I've put the 5 Ghz option on the router into AP mode and I can see it in the GUI and in Windows and make the connection.
I've put the 2.4 Ghz option of the router into AP mode and I can see it in the GUI and in Windows but it WON'T connect.

Any ideas to get the 2nd WAP (2.4 GHz option within the RT-AC87U) going? When all is said/done, I hope to have the ATT router with 4 WAPs provided by the RT-AC87U and RT-N66U routers (each has a 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz capability)
 
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It's impossible your AT&T IP address ends with 256, it's an invalid address. What you saw probably was 192.168.1.1/256, that means your LAN can have up to 256 IP addresses.

One router put in AP mode is only one WAP, not two WAPs just because it has 2.4G & 5G frequencies.

You said you have 4 WAPs from 2 routers probably mean you have 4 SSIDs/2 from each routers?

What ch33 said was that your AT&T is the main router, IP should be 192.168.1.1, RT-AC87U IP should be 192.168.1.2, RT-N66U should be 192.168.1.3, and both RT-AC87U and RT-N66U should be in AP mode. Also turn off DHCP server functions on both routers.

You uplink one of RT-AC87U's LAN port (not WAN or internet)and one of RT-N66U's LAN port up to AT&T router.

The reason you cant's connect to 2.4G frequency probably is you have too many 2.4G routers in your neighborhood and it's congested. Try to select channel 1, 6 or 11 or set it auto. (sometimes auto won't work)
 
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ch33zw1z

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How big of an area are you trying to cover? Might be worth it to pick up a nice Ubiquiti WAP instead of 4 Soho routers as WAP's
 

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So, I’m a mechanical engineer that builds my own rigs to support my flight simulation habit but I’m a noob at networking, and much of its associated vernacular. As such, I’m finding this learning process fascinating… Thanks to all for the help which is very much appreciated.

“It's impossible your AT&T IP address ends with 256, it's an invalid address. What you saw probably was 192.168.1.1/256, that means your LAN can have up to 256 IP addresses.”
Interesting… I’ll take another look to verify.

“One router put in AP mode is only one WAP, not two WAPs just because it has 2.4G & 5G frequencies.
You said you have 4 WAPs from 2 routers probably mean you have 4 SSIDs/2 from each routers?”


I’ve been wondering about the vernacular here… The latter is what I have: 2 physical routers, each capable of distributing data signals across the 2.4GHz and 5Ghz bandwidths. I can see 4 WiFi Networks (SSIDS?) in the lower right corner of the taskbar where one chooses which WiFi connection to connect with. From my limited POV, it made sense to call each 2.4 or 5Ghz network its own AP, though I can see how technically it is 2 routers configured in AP Mode serving 4 SSIDs across 2 bandwidths…

“What ch33 said was that your AT&T is the main router, IP should be 192.168.1.1, RT-AC87U IP should be 192.168.1.2, RT-N66U should be 192.168.1.3, and both RT-AC87U and RT-N66U should be in AP mode. Also turn off DHCP server functions on both routers.”


So, as of this morning’s testing, I suspect it is all configured correctly as stated, though I’m most unsure about the last instruction regarding DHCP server function because I’m not sure where to access and don’t want to mess anything up since it’s currently working (aside from one small glitch). Here are the knowns:
  • Both RT-AC87U and RT-N66U are configured “AP mode”
  • All 4 independent SSIDs show up as WiFis in my taskbar: 2.4 and 5GHz for RT-AC87U and 2.4 and 5GHz for RT-N66U
  • All 4 of these SSIDs have been successfully connected to via my wife’s laptop and multiple cell phones
  • From my POV, everything works as it should and I get fast, reliable WiFi in all corners of my house (I will be turning off the WiFi on my ATT modem/router as it gives the least amount of WiFi coverage and is already blanketed by the Asus-based SSIDs).


ISSUE: My laptop (which sits near my wife’s) was what I used to set up all the routers, and it can’t connect to either the RT-AC87U or the RT-N66U 2.4GHz SSIDs via Windows SSID connection scheme in the taskbar or via the Asus GUI. I can see them as SSIDs in the taskbar popup, but my laptop can’t connect (5 GHz works just fine). I’ve never had an issue with connecting to 2.4Ghz SSIDs on either Router and I suspect it’s something that came about during the configuration process.

I flushed cache and cookies and rebooted with no change (still can’t connect to the 2.4 GHz SSIDs on either router). I called Asus tech support and they recommended reinstalling the WiFi Drivers on my laptop. If I go that route, do I use device manager to see which WiFi drivers are active? I was thinking of making a restore point, installing my old drivers, then reinstalling them again. Waste of time or is this my only other avenue to fix my own laptop?

I could just live with only 5GHz access on my laptop but I’ve come this far, and I want it to work 100% like the other clients in the house… I will try your channel idea as a first, easy step to resolve but suspect it is not that since I’ve never had an issue with 2.4 GHz before this recent reconfiguring necessary to complete an ISP change from Comcrap to ATT. On another related note… One thing I did notice is that there are about 20+ APs from my neighbors that are visible in my task bar. I was assuming I could just hide them using a “right-click” or something but no… it looks like I have to run some command prompt commands to make them hidden… Really Win 7 and 10? That’s lame…
 

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One thing I did notice is that there are about 20+ APs from my neighbors that are visible in my task bar. I was assuming I could just hide them using a “right-click” or something but no… it looks like I have to run some command prompt commands to make them hidden… Really Win 7 and 10? That’s lame…
What purpose would that serve, really? They're out there, they exist, why wouldn't you want to see them? If you select "connect automatically", your SSIDs will always (*) connect automatically, and you won't have to worry about the myriad other SSIDs.

(*) Well, in theory. Sometimes, you still have to select and connect manually.
 

ch33zw1z

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So, I’m a mechanical engineer that builds my own rigs to support my flight simulation habit but I’m a noob at networking, and much of its associated vernacular. As such, I’m finding this learning process fascinating… Thanks to all for the help which is very much appreciated.

“It's impossible your AT&T IP address ends with 256, it's an invalid address. What you saw probably was 192.168.1.1/256, that means your LAN can have up to 256 IP addresses.”
Interesting… I’ll take another look to verify.

That's correct. Take the common home network of 192.168.1.x / 255.255.255.0
- It's all based on the subnet mask.

- In this example, the first 3 octets, 192.168.1 is the network address.

- The subnet 255.255.255.0 tells us that all 8 bits in the subnet are flipped "1" for the first 3 octets, so that leaves the last octet for a mix of 0's and 1's for our host addresses.

- Here's the catch, the host address cannot be all 0's or all 1's. So the last octet can provide 0-255 addresses (2^8), but the first and last address aren't valid since it's all 0's or all 1's, leaving you with .1-.254 as valid.

maybe this will help: https://networklessons.com/subnetting/subnetting-in-binary

“One router put in AP mode is only one WAP, not two WAPs just because it has 2.4G & 5G frequencies.
You said you have 4 WAPs from 2 routers probably mean you have 4 SSIDs/2 from each routers?”


I’ve been wondering about the vernacular here… The latter is what I have: 2 physical routers, each capable of distributing data signals across the 2.4GHz and 5Ghz bandwidths. I can see 4 WiFi Networks (SSIDS?) in the lower right corner of the taskbar where one chooses which WiFi connection to connect with. From my limited POV, it made sense to call each 2.4 or 5Ghz network its own AP, though I can see how technically it is 2 routers configured in AP Mode serving 4 SSIDs across 2 bandwidths…

Yea, that's how it can work. setting it up as 4 separate networks is fine. as discussed, though, watch out for channel overlap

"What ch33 said was that your AT&T is the main router, IP should be 192.168.1.1, RT-AC87U IP should be 192.168.1.2, RT-N66U should be 192.168.1.3, and both RT-AC87U and RT-N66U should be in AP mode. Also turn off DHCP server functions on both routers.”

So, as of this morning’s testing, I suspect it is all configured correctly as stated, though I’m most unsure about the last instruction regarding DHCP server function because I’m not sure where to access and don’t want to mess anything up since it’s currently working (aside from one small glitch). Here are the knowns:
  • Both RT-AC87U and RT-N66U are configured “AP mode”
  • All 4 independent SSIDs show up as WiFis in my taskbar: 2.4 and 5GHz for RT-AC87U and 2.4 and 5GHz for RT-N66U
  • All 4 of these SSIDs have been successfully connected to via my wife’s laptop and multiple cell phones
  • From my POV, everything works as it should and I get fast, reliable WiFi in all corners of my house (I will be turning off the WiFi on my ATT modem/router as it gives the least amount of WiFi coverage and is already blanketed by the Asus-based SSIDs).

As long as everything's configured correctly, you should be able to access each SOHO-router-as-a-WAP individually.

During the configuration of both the WAP's, you should have turned off DHCP, disabled the WAN port, and reconfigured the WAP's IP to something on the ATT's network (but again, outside of the ATT's DHCP pool to avoid IP conflicts). Don't plug any cables into the WAN port of the WAP's.

I also don't configure the Default Gateway either, because the WAP itself doesn't need it to do it's job. This can be dependant on your SOHO router, because code can be weird sometimes.

All the clients connected through these WAP's (including on the 3 remaining LAN ports), should be getting DHCP addresses from the ATT device.


ISSUE: My laptop (which sits near my wife’s) was what I used to set up all the routers, and it can’t connect to either the RT-AC87U or the RT-N66U 2.4GHz SSIDs via Windows SSID connection scheme in the taskbar or via the Asus GUI. I can see them as SSIDs in the taskbar popup, but my laptop can’t connect (5 GHz works just fine). I’ve never had an issue with connecting to 2.4Ghz SSIDs on either Router and I suspect it’s something that came about during the configuration process.

I flushed cache and cookies and rebooted with no change (still can’t connect to the 2.4 GHz SSIDs on either router). I called Asus tech support and they recommended reinstalling the WiFi Drivers on my laptop. If I go that route, do I use device manager to see which WiFi drivers are active? I was thinking of making a restore point, installing my old drivers, then reinstalling them again. Waste of time or is this my only other avenue to fix my own laptop?

I could just live with only 5GHz access on my laptop but I’ve come this far, and I want it to work 100% like the other clients in the house… I will try your channel idea as a first, easy step to resolve but suspect it is not that since I’ve never had an issue with 2.4 GHz before this recent reconfiguring necessary to complete an ISP change from Comcrap to ATT. On another related note… One thing I did notice is that there are about 20+ APs from my neighbors that are visible in my task bar. I was assuming I could just hide them using a “right-click” or something but no… it looks like I have to run some command prompt commands to make them hidden… Really Win 7 and 10? That’s lame…

You can try driver reload, it may help. I wouldn't call it a waste of time because it's relatively simple and not time consuming.

What model Asus laptop, what WLAN adapter, and what OS?

The laptop seeing a bunch of networks isn't a problem in itself, but interference from other networks can cause some weird problems.

You can also try booting a Live version of linux and see if you can connect to the WiFi that way. The bootable Linux distro is typically a CD or DVD

https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/try-ubuntu-before-you-install#0

This won't change your hard drive, and will use a completely different set of drivers. If this works ok, you know it's a Windows/driver problem.
 
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