What is the best p4 mobo...

JackOfHearts

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I am looking at getting a p4 and I was wondering what the best motherboard is? The things I think are important go in this order...
1. O/C features
2. Stability
3. Cost

Also for performance aren't RDRAM chipsets the way to go?
 

SilverBack

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With the present state of affairs between Intel and Rambus, no RDRAM isn't the way to go. Intel recently announced that they would not be using rdram in future chipsets. which means buying rdram today is a dead end.

I also have been looking at P4 motherboards.
Here is a good link to read AND they also have a P4 overclocking data base.

They have reviewed several P4 motherboards and explain how to get the most out of each board.

HERE
 

christoph83

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Intel recently announced that they would not be using rdram in future chipsets

That was only for server based chipsets. RDRAM is still alive and well.
 

Wolfsraider

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<< That was only for server based chipsets. RDRAM is still alive and well >>



yep only server chipsets
 

JackOfHearts

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I had thought RDRAM was faster then DDR ram when it came down to it? oh well?. So the Asus p4b266 is the DDR way to go?.
 

Daovonnaex

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<< I had thought RDRAM was faster then DDR ram when it came down to it? oh well?. So the Asus p4b266 is the DDR way to go?. >>

RDRAM is much faster than DDR SDRAM, I don't know who convinced you that DDR SDRAM was superior.
 

Daovonnaex

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<< In regard to post above why is RDRAM leaving the desktop? not enough people adopt it? >>

It isn't. It's only leaving the server market.
 

FishTankX

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Okay, heres a complex reason for RDRAM leaving the server market.

RDRAM is like a delivery company that needs 7 days to process your order and one day to deliver the first package but only needs 1 days per aditional package to ship it to you. (Note:This is an example, not to be taken seriously)

DDR is like a company that needs one day to process the order and one day to send the inital package but 2 days per package aditional package sent to you

Note to techies:I way overblew that example, so sue me. Just trying to make an example.

In the server infrastructure, they dont send very many packages (one at a time, maybe sometimes 2) around, but need them very very quickly, so the DDR aproach is very desirable.

Normal PC programs order several packages at a time (10, 15, even 50 for some applications) and thus RDRAM is more, well, desirable.

RDRAM rules the roost in the performance sector, with PC1066 smoking PC2700 any day... atleast in dual channel RDRAM configurations.

For servers, RDRAM makes the P4 perform worse than it could..

So RDRAM in the server market is nixed.
 

SilverBack

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About the RDRAM situation.

True Intel dropped them off the server end, not the desktop. However here is the situation about RAMBUS.
RAMBUS had firmly convinced its shareholders that RDRAM with the help of Intel?s memory contract would dominate the server market.
When Intel's involvement was announced RAMBUS climbed to over $150 a share (if memory serves me, I think it was $155).
RAMBUS with this firm commitment decided that in the market, they could pretty much dictate to the consumer how much they wanted for their ram, as they were the only game in town and they did. RDRAM at first was incredibly priced.

This contributed greatly to the success of DRR today. DDR being much less expensive made a much better solution for the home market.
RAMBUS seeing that their market share was dwindling started a campaign of legal battles with almost every major DRAM maker in the world.
RAMBUS claimed that they owned patents that every dram production company had to pay up on.
Here's the sad part, RAMBUS had been a member of a consortium of DRAM makers that were working on faster ram specifications. What they learned from this consortium they promptly built on their RDRAM platform. Then filed re-worded patents on the same technology.
Needless to say RAMBUS hasn't won any of their lawsuits, although interestingly enough there was at least two that settled out of court.

Today RAMBUS stock was $9.41 at closing.
The market share for RAMBUS has dwindled again with Intel deciding not to use it in future server chipsets sending a tough message to RAMBUS.
It has been rumored that Intel doesn't care for the RAMBUS tactics and would like to separate from them altogether, but are hindered by their original contractual agreement. If you analyze recent developments from Intel you can see where this is all going.
When Intel licensed SiS to be able to manufacture P4 chipsets, they in fact gave RAMBUS a message of things to come. Intel knew that yet again they would be cutting RAMBUS market share.

Soon memory standards will be completed for DDR II.

From the history of events surrounding this whole mess, make your own opinion.

My opinion however is that RAMBUS is a failing company with a life span of possibly a couple of years.
I can't condone their behavior and personally feel bad about buying their product.


Daovonnaex
Yes RDRAM is faster, however with today's chipsets ( KT266a, nForce, SiS 645, SiS 735 and even INTELS 845) RDRAM leads by as little as 10%, nowhere near what they had been.



 

anthrax

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Starting to sound like the RAMBUS DDR debate.....I would say high inital cost have forced RAMBUS out of the market...
I would not discount the technology behind it thou.....Just becuase the the company was bad, doesn't mean the technology behind it is...
However, RAMBUS isn't dead yet.....There are plenty of areas the use of rambus of over DDR would be favorible....mainly in places where
size matters...

from past debates on this topic....alot of people seem have failed to do there HW when they enter debates...
DRAM is DRAM, EDO -DRAM SD RAM, DDR, QDR, DDR II, RD-RAM ......
the huge difference is in the interface and its implementation....
Which Interface is technically superior ? scaleability, speed ? I would say RD-RAM is...
however , if I were to buy P4 (which I happen to be lookin at) I would stay away from it and go DDR ..
 

Daovonnaex

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<<


Daovonnaex
Yes RDRAM is faster, however with today's chipsets ( KT266a, nForce, SiS 645, SiS 735 and even INTELS 845) RDRAM leads by as little as 10%, nowhere near what they had been.
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That's because Intel designs poorly performing chipsets, even the 845 (compared to P4X266/P4X266A or SiS 645). However, SiS will be releasing a chipset with RDRAM support shortly.
 

SilverBack

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anthrax
I have been considering a P4 system myself, using a Northwood cpu. I have looked at all the reviews I could find and have found probably more information than I can assimilate. :p
I want to run a P4 1.8a at 133MHz FSB or better.

I here alot of good things about the Gigabyte
8IRXP P4 Titan.
However after studying the forums and news groups there may be a cold boot problem when overclocking this board. Hmmm

Also in these forums alot of people like the Asus P4B266.
But then again after researching it , there seems a possibility of USB failure at higher FSB's, much like the KT266 chipset had.

What board have you been thinking about?
 

SteelCityFan

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Definately RDRAM over DDR. DDR can't outperform RDRAM now... when CPU speeds increase and memory bandwidth becomes even more important, DDR falls way short... as seen in Tom's reviews of the overclocked systems. The 2600Mhz DDR system was beating the 3Ghz DDR system.