What is the best AMD video editing softwear?

[twitchee2]

I have used adobe premier in hte pastabout 3 years ago so im out of the loop with softwear. so my question is wut is the best bang for your buck editing softwear?

 

[nater]

what does AMD have to do with anything?

 

[twitchee2]

jsu stating what cpu im using

 

[Rottie]

Let me guess you are using Premiere 5 or less and you don't have Win XP, right?

I have AMD T-bred 2400+ and I used Premiere 6 and it is fairly ok for me. I am not ready for Win XP (Premiere Pro only work with XP).

 

[twitchee2]

nop i have winXP and i havnt started editing on my comp before i did it on my scholls comp 3 years ago on a p3

 

[Megatomic]

Yeah, I'd like to know which package has the most optimizations for AMD hardware, too. Why not run the software that will run the best on your platform?

 

[twitchee2]

anyone?

 

[Rottie]

Okay maybe you could do google search for the answer?

 

[Nothinman]

Why not run the software that will run the best on your platform?

Because most of the time it's irrelevant, why would a vendor waste time with 2 builds of software when 1 would work just as well? I could see if you wanted to run something for AMD64 as opposed to just x86 because there's real differences there, but differing between 32-bit AMD vs Intel is dumb.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Premiere Pro is the only PC editing app I know of that is built for a specific CPU and unfortunately for you they've chosen Intel.

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Why not run the software that will run the best on your platform?

Because most of the time it's irrelevant, why would a vendor waste time with 2 builds of software when 1 would work just as well? I could see if you wanted to run something for AMD64 as opposed to just x86 because there's real differences there, but differing between 32-bit AMD vs Intel is dumb.

They won't waste time w/2 builds. They will spend all their time tweaking and optimizing for a specific platform (in this case AMD or Intel). By removing variables companies can focus on making a product that works really well on a narrow band of machines as opposed to a product that works mildly well on a broad band of machines. It's not the right business model for everyone, but it seems to work better the further into a niche market you get.


Lethal

 

[Nothinman]

They will spend all their time tweaking and optimizing for a specific platform (in this case AMD or Intel)

So you can show me a 3D renderer or RT video editor that will run on a 32-bit AMD processor but wont' run on a P4?

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

They will spend all their time tweaking and optimizing for a specific platform (in this case AMD or Intel)

So you can show me a 3D renderer or RT video editor that will run on a 32-bit AMD processor but wont' run on a P4?

Nope. Off the top of my head all the proc specific NLE's I can think of have gone w/Intel. Which isn't very surprising. Actual performance aside Intel is still seen as the "bigger, better" company by the masses and has significantly more brand recognition than AMD. Even manfuacturers that support both tend to have many more Intel systems/mobos supported than AMD systems/mobos.


Lethal

 

[Nothinman]

Nope. Off the top of my head all the proc specific NLE's I can think of have gone w/Intel. Which isn't very surprising. Actual performance aside Intel is still seen as the "bigger, better" company by the masses and has significantly more brand recognition than AMD. Even manfuacturers that support both tend to have many more Intel systems/mobos supported than AMD systems/mobos.

But even if they only support Intel CPUs the software will run fine on AMD CPUs, even if it uses things like SSE2 the Athlon64s support that in 32-bit mode.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Nope. Off the top of my head all the proc specific NLE's I can think of have gone w/Intel. Which isn't very surprising. Actual performance aside Intel is still seen as the "bigger, better" company by the masses and has significantly more brand recognition than AMD. Even manfuacturers that support both tend to have many more Intel systems/mobos supported than AMD systems/mobos.

But even if they only support Intel CPUs the software will run fine on AMD CPUs, even if it uses things like SSE2 the Athlon64s support that in 32-bit mode.

AFAIK they probably won't run properly, if at all, if your computer doesn't meet the system requirements. Especailly if the NLE has hardware as well as software components.


Lethal

 

[Nothinman]

AFAIK they probably won't run properly, if at all, if your computer doesn't meet the system requirements. Especailly if the NLE has hardware as well as software components.

Of course if special hardware is required you would need to be able to use it, but these days there are virtually no differences between an AMD and an Intel CPU from software's point of view.

 

[Megatomic]

Nothinman, you completely misunderstood me or chose to take my comments in a context that wasn't intended. Even the most braindead computer enthusiast knows that certain software always runs faster on one platform when compared to the other. Quake 3 and Intel comes to mind first (sorry, I'm a gamer). But there is certain pro AV software that also runs faster on AMD or Intel than it does on the other.

So, I was wondering which video editing software runs faster on AMD. That's it.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

AFAIK they probably won't run properly, if at all, if your computer doesn't meet the system requirements. Especailly if the NLE has hardware as well as software components.

Of course if special hardware is required you would need to be able to use it, but these days there are virtually no differences between an AMD and an Intel CPU from software's point of view.

Obviously there is enough of a difference that companies like Avid, Adobe, and Pinnacle have chosen to release proc specific NLE software. The CPU doesn't exist in a vacuum. AMD and Intel don't use the same mobos, chipsets, etc.,. By choosing a single platform you can focus on that single platform and not worry about making something that runs equally well on various underlying architectures. Video editing pulls in all parts of the computer, unlike most other apps, so any sort of hiccup between the different components can cause noticeable issues.


Lethal

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Nothinman

AFAIK they probably won't run properly, if at all, if your computer doesn't meet the system requirements. Especailly if the NLE has hardware as well as software components.

Of course if special hardware is required you would need to be able to use it, but these days there are virtually no differences between an AMD and an Intel CPU from software's point of view.

Obviously there is enough of a difference that companies like Avid, Adobe, and Pinnacle have chosen to release proc specific NLE software. The CPU doesn't exist in a vacuum. AMD and Intel don't use the same mobos, chipsets, etc.,. By choosing a single platform you can focus on that single platform and not worry about making something that runs equally well on various underlying architectures. Video editing pulls in all parts of the computer, unlike most other apps, so any sort of hiccup between the different components can cause noticeable issues.


Lethal

Your insane.

There are very little differences between Intel vs AMD proccessors. This is completely intentional, because it's MUCH more difficult to maintain 3 or 4 different versions of software then just one version.

It's called a ISA. This is a layer of abstraction that is built into the hardware so that from the OS's perspective it might as well be the same computer. It's compatablity, this layer of abstraction that makes it easy for programmers to design good programs.

If they offer more then one version for x86, then that can only be because a small part of the OS is designed to take advantage of some of the extra multimedia instructions that are aviable from one proccessor vs another.

Of course I never heard of any non-linear video editor being sold specificly for the Pentium 4 and one sold for the AMD k7, but if you have a link to show this, then I would be happy to read.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Nothinman

AFAIK they probably won't run properly, if at all, if your computer doesn't meet the system requirements. Especailly if the NLE has hardware as well as software components.

Of course if special hardware is required you would need to be able to use it, but these days there are virtually no differences between an AMD and an Intel CPU from software's point of view.

Obviously there is enough of a difference that companies like Avid, Adobe, and Pinnacle have chosen to release proc specific NLE software. The CPU doesn't exist in a vacuum. AMD and Intel don't use the same mobos, chipsets, etc.,. By choosing a single platform you can focus on that single platform and not worry about making something that runs equally well on various underlying architectures. Video editing pulls in all parts of the computer, unlike most other apps, so any sort of hiccup between the different components can cause noticeable issues.


Lethal

Of course I never heard of any non-linear video editor being sold specificly for the Pentium 4 and one sold for the AMD k7, but if you have a link to show this, then I would be happy to read.

I'm not saying some companies make seperate AMD and Intel versions. I'm saying some companies' software only offically supports Pentiums and YMMV using AMD-based systems.
Adobe
Avid
and
Pinnacle

All have software only NLE's that are only certified to run on Pentium-based machines. From various things I've skimmed over AMD systems can either run fine, or not run at all.

And it's not just specific chips or OS versions either. The farther you get up the food chain the tighter the system requirements become. Like I said before, the higher up in the niche market you get the more important it is for the NLE to run as close to perfect as possible. Running very well on a few PC varients is much more important that running not-too-bad on a wide variety of PCs.

When I built a PC NLE a few years ago it was absolutely insane. Every driver, and chipset, and firmware, and service pack and update and software had to be specific versions and installed in a specific order... argh. Granted I had NLE hardware as well as software installed, but good lord if I wasn't a geek I never would have kept it stable.

Then I bought a Mac and everything just pretty much worked right out of the box. Go figure.


Lethal

 

[drag]

Well that's probably due to the fact that they have to use hand-optimized assembly programming for lots of the programs because computers now are just barely able to handle editing real time video.

Hell, encoding a live stream on just TV into mpeg4 format takes a decent cpu.

That sort of programming is inherently fragile and difficult and slow to do, but results in very fast code. I don't think it has to do so much with eaking out the performance of AMD vs Pentium, I think it has more to do with just getting the stupid software to run correctly.

I probably just misunderstood a bit were your coming from.

BTW. here is something that I am curious about. I don't know much of anything about video editing. But it seems to be quite capable. The guys who program it work in the industry, but they have to use anonymous names to avoid irking their bosses by developing free software. I just curious to see how it stacks up.

There is a company that sells hardware for it to work on and they say that you'd be able to do real time HD editing and effects with a fast enough machine.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
I'm not saying some companies make seperate AMD and Intel versions. I'm saying some companies' software only offically supports Pentiums and YMMV using AMD-based systems.

Not only that, some applications are written to take advantage of special instruction sets found in one processor or another. Like SSE2. Intel had the edge over AMD in Adobe applications for a long while because AMD chips didn't have SSE2 instructions. So even though AMDs high IPC should have been enough to make it perform as well as or better than the equivalent Pentium it would often turn in bench results behind those of the Pentium.

This is true of several other high profile AV software packages, too. One just needs to go back to the AXP vs. Northwood glory days and read the benchmark articles to see the truth of what I'm saying.

 

[redivider]

For the record, I've used Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 on an AMD system (Athlon 64 3200+) and it runs great. Every feature that I've tried works flawlessly. I'm not sure what all the arguing is about, but Premiere will run fine if you decide to go with that. It may run a little *faster* on a similar P4 chip, but there won't be anything that you can't do, AFAIK.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Rottie
Let me guess you are using Premiere 5 or less and you don't have Win XP, right?

I have AMD T-bred 2400+ and I used Premiere 6 and it is fairly ok for me. I am not ready for Win XP (Premiere Pro only work with XP).

Okay, where the hell can you get Premiere 6? I'm not ready for XP either -- seeing as I'm not made of money -- so it'd be nice to be able to run it on my 2k rig.