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What is the argument against homosexual marriages?

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Originally posted by: stormbv
Originally posted by: nater
Why do I believe married heterosexual couples should get a tax break? Because I think for a child to have a good upbringing they should have a MOTHER and a FATHER. Not two fathers, not two mothers, not just a mom or just a dad, but BOTH. A homosexual couple would not provide that.

Hell, there's a lot of heterosexual couples that don't provide that.

Two females or two males who wanted to have a kid would probably be much more dedicated to their child than most heterosexual couples are anyway because of the work it would take to get one. But still, ideally, a child should have a heterosexual couple as parents, that's just the way it should be.
 
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
You can't make an omelette without eggs.

Changes in reproductive technology & social behaviors will force the legal system to deal with these issues. They already have had a significant impact.

The only constant in the universe is change...

 
Originally posted by: nater
Why do I believe married heterosexual couples should get a tax break? Because I think for a child to have a good upbringing they should have a MOTHER and a FATHER. Not two fathers, not two mothers, not just a mom or just a dad, but BOTH. A homosexual couple would not provide that.
Neither do all the single moms and single dads, are you suggesting we take away their kids?

: ) Hopper
 
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
Originally posted by: nater
Why do I believe married heterosexual couples should get a tax break? Because I think for a child to have a good upbringing they should have a MOTHER and a FATHER. Not two fathers, not two mothers, not just a mom or just a dad, but BOTH. A homosexual couple would not provide that.
Neither do all the single moms and single dads, are you suggesting we take away their kids?

: ) Hopper

I was just stating why I think heterosexual married couples should get a taxbreak.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Opponents of gay marriages held a demostration in Hartford CT a couple of months ago. I did not understand their position. It sounded like bigotry to me. My question is how does the marriage of two individuals of the same sex threaten the institution?

Quoting or using the Bible to justify prejudices is not enough.

Why is not the Bible not enough to justify it? Just because you don't believe the Bible doesn't mean its not true, OR that it is just a good of source for an opinion as anyone's own head. We are talking about opinions here right? Saying that you can't use the Bible to justify your argument sounds like your saying, that YOU can't defend your arguments against the Bible, therefore you trying to eliminate it.
Because it's irrelevent to those who aren't Christians or Fund a Mental Case whackjobs like you

Way to start the flaming Red Dawn. I can tell you have some logic behind your insults....

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Opponents of gay marriages held a demostration in Hartford CT a couple of months ago. I did not understand their position. It sounded like bigotry to me. My question is how does the marriage of two individuals of the same sex threaten the institution?

Quoting or using the Bible to justify prejudices is not enough.

Why is not the Bible not enough to justify it? Just because you don't believe the Bible doesn't mean its not true, OR that it is just a good of source for an opinion as anyone's own head. We are talking about opinions here right? Saying that you can't use the Bible to justify your argument sounds like your saying, that YOU can't defend your arguments against the Bible, therefore you trying to eliminate it.
Because it's irrelevent to those who aren't Christians or Fund a Mental Case whackjobs like you

Way to start the flaming Red Dawn. I can tell you have some logic behind your insults....

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If it's true then how can it be illogical? The second line in my sig is a quote by you that can attest to you being a Fund a Mental Case Whack Job.

 
The only problem I can think of is Jerry and Bob who aren't gay but don't plan to get married for a long time could get married just for the tax breaks, health insurance, and cheaper car insurance. Even if everybody knew they weren't gay they couldn't do squat about it since they are legally married. Probably won't happen a lot but it will happen.
 
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
The only problem I can think of is Jerry and Bob who aren't gay but don't plan to get married for a long time could get married just for the tax breaks, health insurance, and cheaper car insurance. Even if everybody knew they weren't gay they couldn't do squat about it since they are legally married. Probably won't happen a lot but it will happen.
Well the same couold be said about Fred and Ginger right?

 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
The only problem I can think of is Jerry and Bob who aren't gay but don't plan to get married for a long time could get married just for the tax breaks, health insurance, and cheaper car insurance. Even if everybody knew they weren't gay they couldn't do squat about it since they are legally married. Probably won't happen a lot but it will happen.
Well the same couold be said about Fred and Ginger right?

Guess thats true.
 
I thought that the main points against Gay marrages are:

  • Increased Insurance Costs
  • Religious Reasons

I don't really think that either is a good enough argument against gay marrages, but I can see why insurance companies lobby to stop them.

To me it doesn't really matter either way what they do, if they want to get married, so be it. They can do their own thing, and I'll let them be.
 
there are a ton of legal reasons. one that being rights when your "partner" is hospitalized/dead/dying etc. or your ability to sue in cases of wrongful death etc. i remember that case in san fran where a woman got mauled to death by a dog. her partner couldn't sue or something because she was only a domestic partner. whatever u say, its not very just. marriage is a sociatal construction.

not as if heteros are doin all that great with marriage anyways.

apparently for some, we need more suffering in the world, its never enough🙂
 
Marriage is, and always has been, between a man and a woman. It is a religious and spiritual institution. If they want to create some other "arrangement" or union such that legal standing can be defined etc, I don't have a big problem with that..... Allowing same sex partnerships to be recognized as 'real' marriages devalues the value of marriage in my eyes, and forces people to accept a change in the meaning of one of their religious institutions. Based on my personal views, a marriage between two men or two women is no more possible than a marriage between a man and a tree -- it's just not right. If, to allow gay people equal rights under the law, some sort of other union or contract is created, that's anothother story altogether.
 
it isn't a religious institution in our society. non religious people marry too. people of different religions also marry. if you don't like it, don't let them marry at your church, that is your right. other then that, your right to deny others marriage is a bit shady. there are too many government benifits/regulations/laws on marriage for it to be a religious only institution.


as for devaluing marriage. i don't see how thats possible unless you start marrying people for financial or other petty reasons.

in the end, your denying someone else something because of your religious beliefs, which is rather sad. i could say all noncatholics are not married under the eyes of god, they should be denied marriage.
 
In an age where any offense to any person(s) is taken seriously, offending the religions that hold a marriage as sacred and between to heterosexuals by calling the union of two homosexuals a "marriage" is wrong.

I have no problem with giving the same rights and priviledges to couples in a gay union, or whatever the pc term shakes out to be. I dont see where offending the religious groups that hold a marriage as sacred and between to heterosexuals is right or does anything to promote the acceptance of a gay lifestyle.
 
Marriage stopped being a religious only thing when you could go down to the JOP at the county courthouse and make it official there.
 
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Opponents of gay marriages held a demostration in Hartford CT a couple of months ago. I did not understand their position. It sounded like bigotry to me. My question is how does the marriage of two individuals of the same sex threaten the institution? Quoting or using the Bible to justify prejudices is not enough.

Well, you can't leave out Biblical reasons. First off, I'm not a Christian and for the most part don't have an opinion on the matter. Now, the Bible is very clear on where it stands on homosexuality. If you truly believe the Bible, which a lot of people do... then why wouldn't you protest the marriages? That's your answer even though you may or may not like it. It's basically a "because the Bible says so" or.. "that's not what God wants" answer. I know it's almost like a cop-out but, thats just how it is.
 
their problem is that they extend their belief to all people. under the narrow definition, no nonchristian etc could really be married under the eyes of their god😛 thats not how our society works.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
their problem is that they extend their belief to all people. under the narrow definition, no nonchristian etc could really be married under the eyes of their god😛 thats not how our society works.

no no no no....... so, those people that anti-war and protesting shouldn't do that because that's not how society works. Of course that's how society works. I respect them for protesting and letting everyone know how they feel. That is EXACTLY how society works.
 
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