What is Mueller waiting for?

[sportage]

I think I know what it is that Robert Mueller is waiting for in his investigation.
Mueller is waiting and wondering if anything is still worth defending? Considering.....
As Donald Trump takes over America, Robert Mueller is wondering to himself what great American cause he is trying to defend?
If supporting dictators like Vladimir Putin has become more important to America than supporting our very own American institutions, then what is the point of Robert Mueller?
If an entire political party and a massive chuck of American would feel better with an Vladimir Putin than with an Hilary Clinton, then what's the point?
If an entire political party along with a massive chunk of American citizenry would rather believe the world is flat than trust in science and common sense that the world is not flat, then what's the point?

So... say the very worst of Donald Trump is proven to be true by Robert Mueller.
And that America has now been transformed into Donald Trump's vision of America.
Then, whatever the Mueller investigation turns up against Donald Trump will be entirely pointless.
No one will care.
The Republican Party that controls congress will definitely not care. And Donald Trump's massive base will certainly not care.
If Donald Trump prefers Vladimir Putin's America over the American press, and over American institutions, and over American democracy, then whatever Robert Mueller uncovers will be pointless.
Robert Muller would feel like the chicken little, standing in the middle of town square, while yelling "the sky is falling".
And no one will pay attention.
Even if the sky were actually falling, who would listen to Robert Mueller over Donald Trump?

So I would bet that Robert Mueller is waiting.
Waiting to see just what kind of America it is that he is trying to defend?
If defending that America matters anymore?
And, if all of this is simply too late?

Like I said, if an entire political party and a huge chunk of American citizenry are in bed with Donald Trump, and support Soviet institutions over American institutions, then what ever Robert Mueller believes or what ever Mueller uncovers becomes moot.
What laws have been broken, what criminal activities have taken place by this president, all of that will fall on deaf ears.
The news media will give it 48 hours at most, then nothing. Nada. Zilch.
And the republican controlled congress will collectively hide their head in the sand.
Donald Trump will raise hands with Vladimir Putin and praise Vladimir Putin while denouncing our American institutions. And no doubt denouncing the likes of Robert Mueller.

If Robert Mueller would speak, Mueller would ask America what is the point?
Especially now?
Who will pay attention to this chicken little?

 

[Commodus]

It's pretty well-established by now: Mueller needs to make sure that he has the full picture... and that if he has a case against Trump himself, that it's airtight (including the chance he'll need to refer it to state prosecution to avoid federal-level interference).

Remember, this is Trump he's dealing with. If Mueller's case were to fall short (even if it was still more likely than not that Trump was guilty), Trump would try to ruin him. He'd not only do his best to silence that and any future investigations, he'd probably be so petty as to try to destroy Mueller personally.

 

[Thebobo]

I think I know what it is that Robert Mueller is waiting for in his investigation.
Mueller is waiting and wondering if anything is still worth defending? Considering.....
As Donald Trump takes over America, Robert Mueller is wondering to himself what great American cause he is trying to defend?
If supporting dictators like Vladimir Putin has become more important to America than supporting our very own American institutions, then what is the point of Robert Mueller?
If an entire political party and a massive chuck of American would feel better with an Vladimir Putin than with an Hilary Clinton, then what's the point?
If an entire political party along with a massive chunk of American citizenry would rather believe the world is flat than trust in science and common sense that the world is not flat, then what's the point?

So... say the very worst of Donald Trump is proven to be true by Robert Mueller.
And that America has now been transformed into Donald Trump's vision of America.
Then, whatever the Mueller investigation turns up against Donald Trump will be entirely pointless.
No one will care.
The Republican Party that controls congress will definitely not care. And Donald Trump's massive base will certainly not care.
If Donald Trump prefers Vladimir Putin's America over the American press, and over American institutions, and over American democracy, then whatever Robert Mueller uncovers will be pointless.
Robert Muller would feel like the chicken little, standing in the middle of town square, while yelling "the sky is falling".
And no one will pay attention.
Even if the sky were actually falling, who would listen to Robert Mueller over Donald Trump?

So I would bet that Robert Mueller is waiting.
Waiting to see just what kind of America it is that he is trying to defend?
If defending that America matters anymore?
And, if all of this is simply too late?

Like I said, if an entire political party and a huge chunk of American citizenry are in bed with Donald Trump, and support Soviet institutions over American institutions, then what ever Robert Mueller believes or what ever Mueller uncovers becomes moot.
What laws have been broken, what criminal activities have taken place by this president, all of that will fall on deaf ears.
The news media will give it 48 hours at most, then nothing. Nada. Zilch.
And the republican controlled congress will collectively hide their head in the sand.
Donald Trump will raise hands with Vladimir Putin and praise Vladimir Putin while denouncing our American institutions. And no doubt denouncing the likes of Robert Mueller.

If Robert Mueller would speak, Mueller would ask America what is the point?
Especially now?
Who will pay attention to this chicken little?

Scary premise is there is not enough. Lets just say mueller has the smoking gun doesn't matter the trump base will not stand for it. Not sure what they will do but it won't be simple. I don't recall nixon having the fervent support trump has with his base and thats whats scary.

 

[fleshconsumed]

When you come at the king you best not miss.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

While bad things are happening this is a legal investigation. This is not a witch hunt and as much as we want Trump gone Mueller will do this by the book and in the end that is what will be required.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Mueller needs to build an airtight case, but is probably also waiting to see what happens with midterms. Let’s say he were to release his findings now. Trump would spin it as politically motivated and confuse the issue with deflections.

Wait until after the midterms and then bury him.

 

[vi edit]

Agree with the waiting till after midterms. He wants to give as little fuel as he can to Trump to spin this is a political ploy to swing election results.
That being said, I think his not so subtle timing of indictment drops has been pretty entertaining. Not to mention a nice cautionary and factual documentation of the election meddling that happened in 2016. He's put information out there to make the public aware. GOP can't spin that.

 

[fskimospy]

Mueller needs to build an airtight case, but is probably also waiting to see what happens with midterms. Let’s say he were to release his findings now. Trump would spin it as politically motivated and confuse the issue with deflections.

Wait until after the midterms and then bury him.

I hope Mueller proceeds with no concern to the elections whatsoever. If he has a case to make and decides to put it off based on an upcoming election he’s making the same sort of mistake that James Comey made and look where that got us.

Trump is going to blow his findings up into a shit storm regardless of when they are released and if Mueller has uncovered serious wrongdoing at the highest levels of our government that is absolutely VITAL information for the public to have before voting. Had Comey acted on the merits of the investigation as opposed to worrying about what it meant for an election we likely wouldn’t be in this mess.

 

[brycejones]

I hope Mueller proceeds with no concern to the elections whatsoever. If he has a case to make and decides to put it off based on an upcoming election he’s making the same sort of mistake that James Comey made and look where that got us.

Trump is going to blow his findings up into a shit storm regardless of when they are released and if Mueller has uncovered serious wrongdoing at the highest levels of our government that is absolutely VITAL information for the public to have before voting. Had Comey acted on the merits of the investigation as opposed to worrying about what it meant for an election we likely wouldn’t be in this mess.

We would be in a different mess if Hillary had won. The list of "investigations" from the house GOP would have required enough conservative lawyers to qualify as a full employment program for graduates of Liberty University Law School.

 

[cytg111]

Mueller needs to build an airtight case, but is probably also waiting to see what happens with midterms. Let’s say he were to release his findings now. Trump would spin it as politically motivated and confuse the issue with deflections.

Wait until after the midterms and then bury him.

+1
If gop congress is complicit again at least let the conclusions rain hell on midterms.. Best bet.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I wondered when this time would come. We have officially reached the "collusion is not a crime" phase of the goalpost movement:

Four months, they're not going to be colluding with Russia, which I don't even know if that's a crime, colluding about Russians," Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor, continued. "You start analyzing the crime -- the hacking is the crime. ... The President didn't hack."

 

[fskimospy]

We would be in a different mess if Hillary had won. The list of "investigations" from the house GOP would have required enough conservative lawyers to qualify as a full employment program for graduates of Liberty University Law School.

Haha, very true. We would probably be on our third impeachment trial by now, this time over excessive use of pant suits.

 

[Thebobo]

It's also interesting that Guliano is all over the place saying collusion might not be a crime, whats up with that?

 

[K1052]

I wondered when this time would come. We have officially reached the "collusion is not a crime" phase of the goalpost movement:

Four months, they're not going to be colluding with Russia, which I don't even know if that's a crime, colluding about Russians," Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor, continued. "You start analyzing the crime -- the hacking is the crime. ... The President didn't hack."

This was inevitable.

Soon to be followed by "Would you tell the FBI the truth about a probably non-crime that you committed? Of course not!"

 

[VRAMdemon]

This was inevitable.

Soon to be followed by "Would you tell the FBI the truth about a probably non-crime that you committed? Of course not!"

Does this mean Trump will stop screaming "No Collusion!" in his unhinged tweets if his new narrative is "collusion is not a crime"...probably not..

 

[VRAMdemon]

It's also interesting that Guliano is all over the place saying collusion might not be a crime, whats up with that?

Obviously the point of his statement is to rally the troops to give them their new goalpost coordinates knowing that the previous coordinates have been passed.

From a legal perspective, Giuliani isn't very good. But from a public relations perspective, Giuliani can vomit horseshit with the best of 'em.

 

[fskimospy]

Obviously the point of his statement is to rally the troops to give them their new goalpost coordinates knowing that the previous coordinates have been passed.

From a legal perspective, Giuliani isn't very good. But from a public relations perspective, Giuliani can vomit horseshit with the best of 'em.

Yes, I think this is often overlooked. Giuliani is on the record saying he doesn't view this as a legal problem, he views this as an impeachment problem. In the end, impeachment is probably a lot more like a PR battle than it is like a court case so he's probably not wrong.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, I think this is often overlooked. Giuliani is on the record saying he doesn't view this as a legal problem, he views this as an impeachment problem. In the end, impeachment is probably a lot more like a PR battle than it is like a court case so he's probably not wrong.

If the public will accept collusion as legitimate then so will our GOP Congress. That defines Rudy's battle.

 

[K1052]

Does this mean Trump will stop screaming "No Collusion!" in his unhinged tweets if his new narrative is "collusion is not a crime"...probably not..

No because many of his core supporters are so bought in that the continued denial works. Their belief in him is spiritual not rational.

 

[trenchfoot]

It's pretty well-established by now: Mueller needs to make sure that he has the full picture... and that if he has a case against Trump himself, that it's airtight (including the chance he'll need to refer it to state prosecution to avoid federal-level interference).

Remember, this is Trump he's dealing with. If Mueller's case were to fall short (even if it was still more likely than not that Trump was guilty), Trump would try to ruin him. He'd not only do his best to silence that and any future investigations, he'd probably be so petty as to try to destroy Mueller personally.

Trump's doing that at this very moment. If not so much with Mueller at the moment, then with whomever is enabling Mueller to do his job. That Trump has decided to have Giuliani augment his political wet work is all one needs to know what kind of a slimy sleazeball Trump really is and how eager Giuliani is to get back in the limelight, never mind what kind of damage he's doing to the nation's reputation and prestige on the world stage.

Whenever I take a broader view of what Trump and his enablers are doing to the nation, it makes me sick to think that there are millions of our fellow citizens who think this is all necessary to MAGA, and in their view, to make America great again is to employ any means necessary to keep THEIR leader in power even if it means tearing the nation apart at its seams to get it done.

That Trump has to rely on the base of the party forcing all the others to go along with them or be declared fakes, unpatriotic anti-Christian heathen supportive of gays, illegal immigrants, etc. well, it just speaks to his total reliance on riling up the emotions of his working class supporters to keep them under his spell rather than actually fighting for their access to affordable health care, better educational opportunities and a bigger slice of the American prosperity pie ironically like.......you know, what the Democrats are actually fighting for.

 

[Stokely]

Look up how long past, similar investigations have taken. Mueller would be WAY ahead of the pace if he concluded anything now (in fact, his indictment count IS way ahead of the pace). These big top-level investigations take years, sometimes many years.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ares-to-watergate-iran-contra-and-whitewater/

 

[Greenman]

I think I know what it is that Robert Mueller is waiting for in his investigation.
Mueller is waiting and wondering if anything is still worth defending? Considering.....
As Donald Trump takes over America, Robert Mueller is wondering to himself what great American cause he is trying to defend?
If supporting dictators like Vladimir Putin has become more important to America than supporting our very own American institutions, then what is the point of Robert Mueller?
If an entire political party and a massive chuck of American would feel better with an Vladimir Putin than with an Hilary Clinton, then what's the point?
If an entire political party along with a massive chunk of American citizenry would rather believe the world is flat than trust in science and common sense that the world is not flat, then what's the point?

So... say the very worst of Donald Trump is proven to be true by Robert Mueller.
And that America has now been transformed into Donald Trump's vision of America.
Then, whatever the Mueller investigation turns up against Donald Trump will be entirely pointless.
No one will care.
The Republican Party that controls congress will definitely not care. And Donald Trump's massive base will certainly not care.
If Donald Trump prefers Vladimir Putin's America over the American press, and over American institutions, and over American democracy, then whatever Robert Mueller uncovers will be pointless.
Robert Muller would feel like the chicken little, standing in the middle of town square, while yelling "the sky is falling".
And no one will pay attention.
Even if the sky were actually falling, who would listen to Robert Mueller over Donald Trump?

So I would bet that Robert Mueller is waiting.
Waiting to see just what kind of America it is that he is trying to defend?
If defending that America matters anymore?
And, if all of this is simply too late?

Like I said, if an entire political party and a huge chunk of American citizenry are in bed with Donald Trump, and support Soviet institutions over American institutions, then what ever Robert Mueller believes or what ever Mueller uncovers becomes moot.
What laws have been broken, what criminal activities have taken place by this president, all of that will fall on deaf ears.
The news media will give it 48 hours at most, then nothing. Nada. Zilch.
And the republican controlled congress will collectively hide their head in the sand.
Donald Trump will raise hands with Vladimir Putin and praise Vladimir Putin while denouncing our American institutions. And no doubt denouncing the likes of Robert Mueller.

If Robert Mueller would speak, Mueller would ask America what is the point?
Especially now?
Who will pay attention to this chicken little?

Or he could still be looking for evidence. Once this ends up in front of the senate, speculation and wishful thinking go out the window. Trump won't be impeached because a Russian hooker says she peed on him. Nor will he be impeached for talking with Russians. Mueler needs a solid case against Trump, he needs hard evidence. He won't ever move without that.

 

[Amused]

When this lasts longer than the much simpler Watergate investigation, then you can ask this.

 

[Maxima1]

I hope Mueller proceeds with no concern to the elections whatsoever. If he has a case to make and decides to put it off based on an upcoming election he’s making the same sort of mistake that James Comey made and look where that got us.

Trump is going to blow his findings up into a shit storm regardless of when they are released and if Mueller has uncovered serious wrongdoing at the highest levels of our government that is absolutely VITAL information for the public to have before voting. Had Comey acted on the merits of the investigation as opposed to worrying about what it meant for an election we likely wouldn’t be in this mess.

His decision was so jarring that there's no way his own political biases didn't factor into what he did.

https://twitter.com/Comey/status/1021132108381683712

"Democrats, please, please don’t lose your minds and rush to the socialist left. This president and his Republican Party are counting on you to do exactly that. America’s great middle wants sensible, balanced, ethical leadership."

 

[Starbuck1975]

I hope Mueller proceeds with no concern to the elections whatsoever. If he has a case to make and decides to put it off based on an upcoming election he’s making the same sort of mistake that James Comey made and look where that got us.

Trump is going to blow his findings up into a shit storm regardless of when they are released and if Mueller has uncovered serious wrongdoing at the highest levels of our government that is absolutely VITAL information for the public to have before voting. Had Comey acted on the merits of the investigation as opposed to worrying about what it meant for an election we likely wouldn’t be in this mess.

Fair point. The political dancing around protocol is what gave us Trump, although I do not blame Comey given the situation he was forced into.

Comey did act on the merits of the investigation, which is precisely why we are in this mess. Maybe we shouldn’t be nominating candidates under FBI investigation.

As for Mueller, the process has to play out, yet every day that passes makes it more difficult to present his case.