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what is creationism?

Creationism may not strictly apply to Biblical ideas. There could be other religions that state that world+dog was "created" by high/er power/s.

But since most of us are in America... i guess Viper would essentially be correct for most of us seeking a definition.

I don't beleive in creationism, but I don't hold it against someone if they do. beliefs are beliefs.
 
Creationism means to me that you believe that some higher being (in most cases God) created the world.
 
What is it?

Creationism, no matter what form, is a guess. Nothing more.

Oh, yeah. Everything is a guess. Yes, that's true. Still, some guesses are more educated than others, aren't they.

How many people world-wide attend University to find god?
 
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<< How many people world-wide attend University to find god? >>

A lot of people go to a Seminary
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Keyword being find.
 
<<How many people world-wide attend University to find god?>>

I don't think you'll find God at any University, well, not as long as you go there &quot;to look&quot; for him. 😉
 
I was always suspicious that some of the seminarians at my college were on something 😉
 
Isn't it foolish to discount a theory that we ourselves are trying to recreate? (creating life from lifelessness) I don't know that someone created the life on earth, but it's as likely as not.Only if you believe that there is no way that we could ever create life can you exclude creationism.

&quot;How many people world-wide attend university to find god?&quot;

How many people world-wide attend university to find math?

Is that question supposed to invoke deeper thought? Ok, if your looking for god then, is college the first place to look? Now, if your looking for an abused 10 year old physics book for about $400, then your in the right place! (at least they teach capitolism)
 
Evolution is a fact. It is a fact that seems to scare some people. The people that it scares believe that certain interpretations of the Bible MUST be right because it is the word of God and so HAS to be right. Any admission of error thus threatens their faith. If one word of the Bible is not the literal truth there is no God. Shallow faith is defensive faith filled with fear. The cure: throw up a smoke screen. Obfuscate scientific fact with pseudoscientific fiction. Pretend the two are equal, logically equivalent, tennable theories that intelligent people are free to choose between. The equivalence, unfortunately, is apparent only to the fearful. To the mind free of reward and punishment the overwhealming evidence and force of logic proclaims the truth of evolution loud and clear. There are any number of such pseudosciences and they all have at root a similarity, the refusal to accept reality. There are the flat earthers, the antiholocaustians, etc.
 
Find god? Find math?

If god were math and people subscribed to math so unquestioningly, hey, we'd not be having this conversation.

That you think the concept is equivalent to the subject, well, that's your hardship to tolerate, not ours.
 
UG, I was saying that those going to college (even seminary) are learning about their chosen subject, not discovering it. (hey, I chose niether of those) Math is a tangible subject, religion is not.

Moonbeam, I'm not clinging to any religion, just stating that we have been working to create life for some years, and only if you believe that we are doomed to fail this endeavor can you exclude some form of creationism. Otherwise life could have started on this or any cellestial object by the others at least as smart as us.
 
Do you believe we humans will ever be technologically advanced to be able to create life from non-living matter? Do you ever think that we humans will ever be able to produce conscious machines (much like Star Trek's Data).

If you answered yes, what is so difficult to conceive of an intellegence greater than ours creating us?
 
It's plainly obvious that it's not at all difficult to imagine an intelligence greater than ours creating us. It's the pedestrian conclusion, afterall.

What's really difficult to find is unambiguous evidence to support such a supposition that such an intelligence exists.

A book is insufficient evidence to the truly critical thinker, as evidenced by the fact that so many think that some thinkers are much too critical for their own good.
 
I have a suspicion that there is tangable evidence that I exist and you exist and other humans exist. Any notion that God exists strikes me as wholly subjective. I don't deny the possibility that life on earth may have started as a bacterial leftover from some billion year old alien's sandwich. We may also create intelligent life some day. None of that has any bearing on whether that implies that we too were created. Scientifically, life seems almost inevitible given the proper conditions. If God created the laws of nature so that that's how the universe works and thus insured our rising out of ooze so be it. There is no way to say. But to assume that there is a God from that is an unnecessary step because a natural explanation sufices. In short, the fact that existing conscious creatures can create life does not lead to a conclusion that we WERE created, only that we COULD HAVE been and other explanations are sufficient.
 
I have read the Bible many times, more than I can say I wanted to. As a matter of fact its next to my bed, with some other books. This Creationism &quot;fad&quot; will go away someday, and I look forward to that day.





SHUX
 
Apoppin,

I read 2/3 of the OT in '72 (not counting all the sunday school reading in early childhood I largely don't remember), then decided my brain was better served by reading Feynman, Bok, Alfven &amp; Arrehenius, et al.

 
I didn't come to the conclusion that we were created quite so simply as you are saying, Moonbeam.

Your faith in evolution can be criticized in much the same way as you are criticizing mine.

You read roughly half of the Bible, UG. It's pretty hard to make a judgement based on half of the picture.
 
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